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This is the first draft of the surname list the Ridgetop Band of Shawnee will use. I am missing valuable information on some common Native American Surnames in our enrollment region, such as; Goins, Bowling, Crider, Bunch, Miner, Collins, Rose, Adams and many more. Most of this initial list is made up of my own genealogy. Send list to rtcherokee@gmail.com
ADAMS[1], ADKINS[2], ALEXANDER[1], ALMA[1], ANGLEN[3], ANTHONY[1], ANTLES[1], ASBELL[8]
BAILEY[1], BALDEN[2], BALDWIN[2], BARNETT[2], BENNETT[7], BESSIE[1], BOLES[1], BOULWARE[1], BOWMAN[12], BRAKE[1], BRASSLER[1], BRIDGER[1], BROCK[9], BROWN[6], BRYANT[1], BUNCH[4], BURGIN[1], BURK[1], BURKHART[3], BUSH[1], BYERLEY[2]
CAMERON[1], CARR[1], CARROLL[6], CARVER[1], CECIL[1], CHARLES[5], CLOUD[1], COFFEE[1], COLE[6], COLEMAN[2], COLLINS[1], COMBS[1], CORRNETT[1], CORTEZ[1], COX[1], CRABTREE[1], CRAIG[1], CRAWFORD[2], CRITOPH[1], CROSS[2], CROW[1]
DALTON[1], DANIEL[1], DANNICA[1], DAUGERTY[1], DAUGHERTY[371], DAVIS[1], DAY[1], DEMARTE[1], DENNISON[1], DICKENSON[1], DOBBS[5], DOTSON[3], DOUGHERTY[4], DOYLE[1], DUNNICA[1]
EASTWOOD[1], EATON[3], EDDLEMAN[2], EDWARDS[2], ELIZABETH[1], ELY[8], EVERSON[1]
FELKER[2], FERGUSON[1], FIELDS[132], FITZGERALD[1], FLANARY[1], FRANCIS[1], FRANKLIN[1], FRIEZE[1]
GIBSON[11], GOFORTH[1], GRAY[2], GREEN[8], GRISHAM[1]
HALL[1], HAMMOND[1], HARBER[1], HARP[3], HARRIS[1], HATFIELD[5], HIX[1], HOBBS[39], HODGES[1], HOLLOWAY[1], HORNER[1], HORTON[1], HUNT[1], HURTIG[7], HYATT[1]
JACKSON[1], JAYNE[15], JOHNSON[1], JONES[3], JORDAN[2], JUSTICE[1]
KINCAID[1], KING[1], KINSMAN[3]
LANE[1], LANKFORD[3], LAWRENCE[1], LEA[2], LEADFORD[1], LIVESAY[1], LOVEJOY[1], LYNN[1]
MARSHALL[1], MATTHEWS[1], MCCLEARY[1], MCCONNELL[1], MCCOY[2], MCDONALD[1], MCGEHEE[2], MCPETERS[3], MEDDERS[1], MELTON[1], MILTON[1], MIRACLE[1], MONEY[1], MOORE[1], MORRIS[1]
NAPIER[2], NEWMAN[1], NULL[4]
ODEN[1], ONEY[1], OWENS[1]
PAGITT[1], PERCAVIL[1], PFLUG[1], PHAM[1], PIERATT[1], PIKE[2], POWERS[3], PRENTISS[1], PUTNAM[2]
RACHEL[1], RAMSEY[1], RAYEL[1], RICHERSON[2], RINER[18], RITCHEY[2], ROBERTS[1], ROBINSON[2], ROGERS[7], ROSS[1], ROSS”)[1], ROUTH[1]
SANDERS[2], SAYERS[4], SAYLOR[1], SEARS[1], SELF[1], SERGENT[2], SHACKLEFORD[12], SHAEFFER[1], SHARP[1], SHOEMAKER[1], SHORTRIDGE[1], SIMKINS[1], SIZEMORE[12], SLY[1], SMITH[15], SNODGRASS[1], SPENCER[22], SR[2], SR.[1], SREWART[1], STIMLER[1], STURGEON[1], STURGILL[1], SULLIVAN[2], SWANGO[2]
TERRELL[2], THOMAS[1]
UPTON[1]
VAN DERVENTER[1], VANZANT[1]
WALKER[8], WARREN[6], WEBB[1], WEST[2], WHILLOCK[2], WHISMAN[2], WHITAKER[1], WHITE[1], WHITEHEAD[1], WILLIAMS[21], WILLIS[1], WILMOUTH[1], WOOLFORD[1], WORLEY[4]
YOUNG[1]
See list here
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=ridgetopshawnee&surname=A
No offence intended but in my opinion your initial list needs A LOT of additional research. For instance, I am a Dalton and we were ndns in VA long before the first Dalton migrated to West Va as one of the core families of the West Va Guinneas. Additionally, many of your surnames were ndns and mixed bloods in tidewater Va long before anyone with those surnames were anywhere near shawnee country. Please be careful about posting erroneous information at Saponitown and on the internet in general.
Please be nice pal, I am working very hard on this list and YOU obviously have not done YOUR research. Most if NOT all of these surnames WERE Indian People (I don’t appreciate your NDNS Abbreviation) early in the 18th century.
They MIGRATED AS INDIAN PEOPLE. Please read before you shoot your mouth off.
As I said the KNADB has mistakes , if anyone finds a mistake, please inform me.
But I can see Shawnee are not welcome here.
I have received a couple of snotty emails from this group and I am saddened that some people have to act this way.
William
signing off!
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😡 Please cancel my membership I will not be talked down to by people who use NDNS to describe our people. We are moving forward and I do not have the time to argue.
William Shackleford
Member Piqua Shawnee Tribe (Otter Clan)
Ridgetop Band of Shawnee (Wolf Clan)
Cherokee Heritage MSN Assistant Manager
Campaign Manager
Bruce Hendrickson for Secretary of State
http://www.hendricksonforsecofstate.com
William,
Please wait and take a breath here.
I dont know you and you process or motivations. Others may know more about you. What i am picking up is you are very busy, very devoted but maybe a bit rushed to get this information out there. There is pressure somewhere inside or outside yourself. Please excuse my therapist self showing up!
So here hear my first experiance here.
My first days here i hit a post about Native American Spirituality that was very negative. It stopped me for a long time from discovering the kindness, cooperation, knowledge, skill, and general good will from most of the people here. We are all kinds and colors. There are those that are much more formal especially in the forum/thread you posted on. Others just take any hint of the connections to Native American lines and run with it . There is a good balance here so please wait and see. I do not know the relationships with various tribes and do not spend my time on the conflicts. I feel you will have a fair reception here. There is not enough time for us not to work together… with the protionism of tribes and the “false pride” of those that know for sure they are Native American does not mean those of us still in search of our history are less than. I have never known any person here to be say Shawnee or Lakota, or any other tribe is not welcome! Just qualify your statements and i feel you did to your satisfaction. Dreamhawk is skilled and has guidelines he follows as moderator. He and others others can probably help.
Dont take it personaly and Dont blow us off!
It is my nature not get involved with conflict but i do hve a personal reason to speeking up. I have several names on your list and recognize there here that could match up. If we work together to make sure the documentation is correct then the research can go faster for all of us.
My names on your list: Carr, Green, Jones, Marshall, MCgee/McGehee. Smith
Think about it.
Best Wishes,
Janette
Hi William,
I too hope you don’t quit too soon, this site has a lot of wonderful history and some related to the Shawnee. I believe there are some here with this ancestry. I had you add my family names to your list as they were Native and lived in KY in the early 1800’s. However, they were not Shawnee, but originally came out of VA to NC and then to KY, but many mixed-blooded united in these small settlements of KY. I think especially as mixed-bloods we should unite as our ancestries have come from many tribes.
We just went to “Under The Cherokee Moon,” in Tahlequah and what strirred me most was the end, where they met by the council fires to decide on peace or war…as a small body they did not stand a chance in war, but what would the outcome have been had all the nations united??
Well, enough philosophical meandering…what you are doing is admirable and your passion is what is needed to pursue researching mixed-blood families, it is difficult, but when you find the truth…oh, it is rewarding.:) Blessings.
Shirley
Dreaminghawk is not challenging the claim to Indianness. He’s pointing out that many of the names rebellredsun has on his list of Shawnee surnames are quite possibly Indian/mixed blooded families who migrated out of Virginia and into West Virginia. We’ve all been researching this for quite some time. There are, is it 20,000 or 40,000 posts here, many on a good many of the surnames listed above. I understand becoming attached to a particular tribal descent, but to stay afloat some incorporation of this information is going to matter.
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Linda wrote: Dreaminghawk is not challenging the claim to Indianness. He’s pointing out that many of the names rebellredsun has on his list of Shawnee surnames are quite possibly Indian/mixed blooded families who migrated out of Virginia and into West Virginia. We’ve all been researching this for quite some time. There are, is it 20,000 or 40,000 posts here, many on a good many of the surnames listed above. I understand becoming attached to a particular tribal descent, but to stay afloat some incorporation of this information is going to matter.
Hi Linda,
I know that Dreaminghawk”s words were wise cautionary words, as we can sometimes get overenthusiastic (speaking of myself only, here:o ).
I do not know too much about this site, but did look at it and have corresponded with William and thought him to be very open in his intentions.
The reason I entered my surnames on the site was because it cover mixed-families in specific counties of Kentucky, prior to 1850, I think. Mine did not originate in KY, but still lived in these communities during this time frame. I have found many releatives on this Saponitown, for which I am thankful. I have also I believe found friends, those searching for the same as I, my roots. I didn’t grow up knowing anything of my paternal line and this site has been instrumental in my knowledge to date.:) Thank you.
Shirley
William, perhaps I misunderstood but you seemed to be listing all of those surnames as potentially shawnee. My intend was only to point out that many of those names were in fact ndns (what could possibly be offensive about that abbreviation?) in Va and the Carolinas by the mid 1600s. They were not shawnee. As Linda pointed out, most of those names have been researched by Saponitown members and the posts relating to them are just a “search” away. I have no problem with people of shawnee heritage. I do have a problem with people making broad statements that they can’t or don’t prove. I have a serious problem with people who cannot accept criticism of their assertions and strike back with personal attacks. A more respectful response would have been to enlist my assistance in sorting out your list. There are some people who do consider my research to be of value. I stand by my words.
William and All,
Please don’t discount the hard work that the people on the forum have done. Those here are, in my opinion, VERY knowledgable, and have worked for many years on the migration pattrens and genealogy of the Native peoples of the Eastern U.S. I don’t think you’ll find any more honest, sincere, and frank groups anywhere. We here are all descended from the groups that we study. And I’m sure that no one here has anything against Shawnee or any other tribe. That’s one of this furom’s strongest points. We’re all here to research and share our knowledge and family stories. Period.
That said, I have emailed William and I know that he’s a busy and sincere person. I know that findings and conclusions will vary from person to person so everyone take a deep breath and calm down. We’re all after the same goal, knowledge. Knowledge that has, through time, been twisted, denied, and hidden, and for good reason. So let’s all try to work together and get to the truth of our heritage, without fighting and without letting emotion get in the way.
Jim
Maybe I should have clarified the “USE” of this surname list. I suspect 95% to 99% ARE NOT of original Shawnee Heritage. I assumed the people commenting had read the Ridgetop Band of Shawnee Website.
I have ALWAYS said that most of the people on this list are of Saponi origin. We are not a Saponi band of Indians we are Shawnee.
Clarification:
If you are of Native Decent (We do not care the origin of your blood) and you meet the enrollment qualifications, you are eligible for enrollment. You do not have to be of Shawnee origin. The people that started this Band are Shawnee. We believe in the Shawnee way.
I have no idea how it was assumed that ALL of the people in KNADB was of Shawnee origin. If you read you will see disclaimers and opinions of the Native Blood origin in the KNADB. All the KNADB is a guide that will hopefully lead you to finding documentation. Most if not all of the documentation you will find will be Cherokee.
The KNADB is a free tool for ANYONE to use who is trying to enroll in ANY Tribe or Group of Indians. It is time for unity but I stand by my words also. I do not have the time to fight, I will simply walk away. I reconsidered because I was at fault here and I am man enough to admit it. I am way to busy running a statewide political campaign and running down my kids to fight.
So it is simple, the KNADB is a simple guide, yet MOST of the original ancestors in the KNADB ARE documented Native American. Most are documented through rejected Cherokee Nation Applications. But documented the same. So if you need it use it. I still encourage everyone to send their Native ancestors information to be included. No one owns this list it belongs to everyone.
William Shackleford
It seems to me that a surname list, titled
the Ridgetop Band of Shawnee
is one thing, oddly enough with “cherokee” in its email address; and a data base called the
Kentucky Native Americans Data Base
is another — quite distinct, and much more likely either to be consulted, or contributed to, by the more thoughtful people at Saponitown. Which after all is presumed to be looking into the Saponi in particular, and Eastern Siouans more broadly. The Shawnee are neither; but obviously Piedmont people (NA and otherwise) moving into areas of former Shawnee occupation around 1780 or later, and finding their descendants still around, are known in some cases (and might be assumed in others) to have married them — rather than engaging in their more historically grounded activities, such as reciprocal raiding, kidnapping and warfare.
I don’t think Dreaminghawk was out of line to suggest that you be more precise about what you call your list(s), on the web — whether here at Saponitown or elsewhere. That doesn’t mean we won’t work with you, help grow the KNADB (if that’s what it is), etc.
It is just a list, nothing more and nothing less. I have had the rtcherokee email address for years. I will add a page disclaimer on the front page of the database, explaining the purpose of the KNADB so we can all avoid the administrative questions and questions of scope. I will also add a KNADB page on Ridgetop Shawnee sometime this week. This page will be an in-depth look at the KNADB. Ultimately we hope to use our genealogy(s) to track down descendants eligible for Y or mtDNA analysis. I trust 2 types of DNA yDNA and mtDNA. Right now we have too many tests out there that (to me) are pure snake oil.
Our region was a safe haven for mix-breed peoples. We have the right to organize and organize for the right purpose. But we are Shawnee. We are Shawnee from our Grandmother’s voices NOT blood origin. So many people get caught up in the technical details of having Indian blood, when they should resort to traditional Native American means of Native identification. You may be Saponi by blood but Shawnee by choice. I have Powhatan, Saponi(?), Cherokee and Creek blood. I choose to be Shawnee.
I never thought 2 minutes about what it is called and still don’t think about it. It is a pilot project, and it is looking good so far. I hope to have tens of thousands of names and families in a couple of years. But I can not do it by myself. For the KNADB to succeed it will require participation from ALL peoples interested in their Native genealogy.
I have about 2 hours a week to dedicate to the list. I have spent 1 hour this week explaining myself and that is fine. But know that I am a super busy person and time is thin.
William
tarcarion wrote: William and All,
Please don’t discount the hard work that the people on the forum have done. Those here are, in my opinion, VERY knowledgable, and have worked for many years on the migration pattrens and genealogy of the Native peoples of the Eastern U.S. I don’t think you’ll find any more honest, sincere, and frank groups anywhere. We here are all descended from the groups that we study. And I’m sure that no one here has anything against Shawnee or any other tribe. That’s one of this furom’s strongest points. We’re all here to research and share our knowledge and family stories. Period.
That said, I have emailed William and I know that he’s a busy and sincere person. I know that findings and conclusions will vary from person to person so everyone take a deep breath and calm down. We’re all after the same goal, knowledge. Knowledge that has, through time, been twisted, denied, and hidden, and for good reason. So let’s all try to work together and get to the truth of our heritage, without fighting and without letting emotion get in the way.
Jim
Jim,
Just wanted to concur with you on your post as I have been here 2+ years (however, doen’t seem that long) and as I have shared many times that this site is responsible for most of what I know of my paternal line. I appreciate and am very grateful to the hard work all those here at Saponi Town have put into researching the Saponi and related families.:)
Shirley:)
Well thanx for the heads up, there are people here that have been at this a very long time, and tracing family back to thier origins is how people choose to ID, mine included.
When someone here makes a suggestion it’s not out of spite but rather out of real concern.
There is a some mis-information out there on the web and people have a tendancy to believe all they read on the web., and Saponi Town does not want to add to it. This is not to say there is anything wrong with what you have posted only the way other people can take it, I am sure you want to remain above board and not be misinformed or add to any confusion.
We have people here from many nations and communities, no doubt since my family went to Shawnee Oklahoma for land they also maybe of Shawnee hertiage.
There are several names on your list that make up a part of my family tree, those are sir names, which only shows that these people married who they most loved.
The term “mixed breed” may be atlered to “mixed blood” if anything a bit more appropriate.
Hang in there you’ll learn a great deal here, and so far we have enjoyed your company!
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