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This may a good place for me to post some of what I find to be strange coincedences of the Miami Valley of Ohio provoked by the Early Wayland thread and the history I have learnt just researching my family. About 1796, there was a group of 65 families that migrated from Randolph Co NC, Brethren and Quaker and Newberry Twp SC, the Bush River Quaker to the Stillwater River in Miami County Ohio. Many of the names that Brenda found in the 1779 Old Ninety Six District later moved with this group. Many originated in Cecil Co Md or Berks Pa. They followed the Indian routes south. Other brothers went the northern route through Pa into Ohio. To make this as short as possible, it is said that Tecumseh travelled throughout the south to try to form his confederation. These people settled among the Shawnee in Miami, Clarke, Greene and Darke Counties. I will place a couple of stories in the story section. Tecumseh and the Prophet make a final Ohio settlement near these families in Darke Co, just 60 miles from Tecumseh’s birthplace and the devastating Shawnee Massacre of Piqua, where Simon Kenton ran the gauntlet. I just discovered that West Virginia also claims to be Tecumseh’s Birthplace.
http://www.wvculture.org/history/notewv/tecumse1.html
Strange but this is where my Cottrell stories of being Indian seem to originate and this is the only other area that my mother’s ancestors lived before coming to Ohio. Fort Westfall
I have found no stories to support that the Quaker wanted to convert the Indians. Quakers were basically seperatists and the only conversions was be marriage. They lost more members than they gained because of their strict marriage policies.
Later, in 1833 John Randolph of Charlotte Co Va frees his slaves at his death and his lawyer secures land in Ohio to resettle them.
http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/randolphs/randolphs.htm
They are not welcome and are moved further south and on the third try are welcomed by the West Branch Quaker. Yep, the ones from the Carolina’s.
List of slaves http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/randslav.htm
By 1850 census, they are definitely using full names, many surnames that I have seen discussed here already. I have not researched these individuals but it brings a lot of questions to my mind. I will put in another post.
Among this group is my Pugh/Julian and Stewart families that are fairly well documented and that I did not think of as Indian but am now wondering.
http://sciway3.net/clark/freemoors/Indian.htm
My step gggggrandmother was a Quaker who went west in PA to teach the Cornplanter Seneca. Cornplanter asked the Quakers to come west and teach his children. This was sited in the book written by her grandson.
Techteach
Do you happen to know her surname? Just wondering as I have a slew of Quakers in my family in those years. It was always said that if you asked a Quaker to take sides between a white man and an Indian, the white man would loose.
They had a very special relationship and I think they felt very safe living in Indian territories and interacted with them a lot but I do not think it was ever their intention to “convert” them like the Moravians. They held very similar beliefs when you think about it. They were “tribal” in nature and had a system of intermarriage similar to the “clans” so that the children did not suffer from genetic inbreeding even though they did not have the scientific understanding. They were farmers and anti government. They decided when a member had done something “illegal” and would reprimand. They shared the lands and were stewards of the land and helped others and did not ask for outside help. I think both groups believed that there was room for everyone and did not comprehend the greed of the European land owners. Their word was their bond and were naive enough to believe that even though others had proven over and over again not to live by their bond or their treaties that they would just move on hoping that the “others” would eventually be satisfied.
I think that their relationships were very close and respectful and that marriages often occurred with both understanding that when marriage did occur, the decision would need to be made to either pass as white and Quaker or to join the Indian tribe. I think that some Europeans such as the Welsh that were still “clannish” and the slave who were tribal all understood this family structure but that a lot of other Europeans families had been so destroyed through their history that they lacked this simple concept. My Blevins are Welsh, some definitely Indian as they were on the rolls, some are now proven through DNA even thought 2000 were rejected in the Dawes commission. Those are the ones who’s DNA is now proving them wrong. 2000 is a really big clan or tribe and they lived in many different states.
Just another of my little quirks along this line is that Pres Herbert Hoover was Quaker and we share a common grandparents in Andreas Hoover and Anna Margaretha Fouts of Randolph County North Carolina. He also has Yount and I have Curtis. This is the group from the Carolinas that came to Ohio and then his family went to Iowa. His vice president was Charles Curtis, documented Native American on his mother’s side and his father has some interesting lines also.
The name was Mawha. Her daughter married my ggggrandfather, his first wife. The second wife was my Blackfoot ggggrandmother.
Techteach
It’s interesting that Quakers are now coming up on this forum because I also have Quakers in my family history. They came in through Maryland and then down into North Carolina. I also have several Welsh lines. Price, Lleweyln and Wynne…my Prices I know were Quakers but I also think my Moore’s were too but it is difficult to trace a name like Moore because it is so popular. I know the Moore’s married ndn and the Price’s married the Moore’s. My gggreatgrandmother was Martha Price and she married Joab Moore and their firstborn was the great John W. Moore I heard so much about as a child he was my grandmother’s grandfather. Grandpa John he is so affectionately known within my family was born in Sept. 1828 fought in the Civil War and lived to tell the tale over and over to any of his grandchildren that would listen he died in 1901. There are several members of my family I wish I could have known and he is one of them and his mother was a Quaker his grandmother and greatgrandmother were mixed blood Cheroenhaka (Nottoway).
Linda
I am glad to see you mention the Bush River Meeting and its relationship to the Miami Valley in Ohio….. I have often wondered myself if there was a connection to them and the Eastern Blackfoot……
Several years ago there was a wonderful Seneca gentleman participating on the Mingo list, Gerald Deitz, I think, who made mention of the Quaker connection in tracing Indian lines. I seem to recall that a lot of his ancestors were from the Chester Co., PA area.
Brenda
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:dsODTCo21H4J:http://www.wm.edu/oieahc/conferences/8thannual/Session12_Stanwood.pdf+Missionary+to+the+Pamunkey+&hl=en
This is an article about mission work in Colonial Virginia.
It doesn’t seem to work if you click on it. I am not sure why but if you click on it to copy and then past it in your browser line I think it will work.
Lots of food for thought in that article. I know when I see a “bond” recorded, I will not think of it in the same way as I did before. Also, make me wonder since non white women, Indians and black could be taxed it makes one think differently about finding women on tax lists. Wonder if we could find out when white women were finally taxed. I did a quick look on internet and did not find anything. My thoughts are even though I read that some white women are on the list because they are expected to pay the taxes of sons etc, I find that highly unlikley. White custom was to leave the land to the sons and they are expected to take care of mother. I wonder if we could learn anything more through exploring this line of thought. My grandma Blevins, Rachel is head of household in 1860 Butler co Ohio with her 4 Blevins children, then her new husband who is older than her and their children are listed. She married a Cottrell. Old habits are hard to break. Her father was Nathan Blevins, longhunter of Ky and Ashe Co NC. His first wife was Rachel Skaggs, daughter of Charlie Skaggs and a “Thompson” sister. His brother Henry married the sister. One brother Moses had land but no children when he died. Charles Blevins, his nephew and son of my grandfather ran the farm, provided for his wife. Years after the fact some white men try to claim the land by proving there were no “legitimate” heirs and the only “heirs” are Skaggs in Virginia. Henry and Charlie each had at least 8 kids, all still in Green Co Ky so the word legitimate has to be the key. I propose that the Thompson sisters were Native American. In Drapers, I read that Henry Skaggs was a brilliant woodsman but so uncivilized he did not know how to make bacon.
Wallens, Blevins, Skaggs and Vaughn (Vaughan) all trace back to Henrico.
I know that we all get tired of the fact that are “Indian” ancestry seems to go back to “Grandma” but my sister said it best, when invaders come into a county they marry who is there. If a white man took an Indian wife, he most likely knew that if he did have land and wanted his sons to have the land at his death, he would have to “pass them off” as white. He could move to a new area and more likely be able to pass his whole family off as white, securing his posterity and aiding in the assimilation which is obviously the wishes of a lot of people. His children have white rights.
She proposed that “A 1646 treaty with the Necotowance, for example, invited Indian children
under 12 to “freely and voluntarily” live with the English. A decade later the House of
Burgesses defined the terms of this service. Indian parents had the power to choose an
English guardian for their child, who bore responsibility for teaching the child
“knowledge of necessary trades.”
I wonder about the guardianship of the Cottrell children in Va. Were they given a “white” gaurdian in Davidson. Also, this would enable the white man to get back into control of material resources.
Vivian —
I have been off line or too tired for about 3 weeks (been working 7 days a week for 5 weeks now, but that’s gonna end this weekend, thank God. 🙂
I just read your post and a couple of things caught my eye.
You mentioned an “Early Wayland thread.” To what were you referring? Also you mentioned District 96, SC. My Waylands were there from at least 1778 to the mid 1790s and in 1797 moved to Russell (later called Scott) Co., Va.
Is this the thread about a Wayland in/near Conoy Town to which you were referring?
thanks
Vance
I found a lot of names in the 1779 Old 96th D SC No Twp. paper that I know came to Ohio and some are my direct line. Some are not direct but married in or are names that I am curious about. The second set is from the same list and may have connections to my Blevins in Ashe NC
BEELS John
BIKETT Edward
BROOKS Elisha
BROOKS Jacob
BROOKS Richard
BROOKS Thomas
BUFFINGTON Joseph
BULLOCK John
BULLOCK John
BULLOCK Nathaniel
BULLOCK Zachariah
CAPPOCK John
CAPPOCK Joseph
COATS Charles
COATS John
COATS Marmaduke
DALRYMPLE James
DALRYMPLE John
DALRYMPLE Samuel
ELLEMAN John
ELLERMAN Abner
EVANS Ezekial
EVANS Isaac
EVANS John
EVANS John
EVANS Robert
GALLOWAY John
HARMON William
HILL James
HILL John
HILL Nicholas
HILL Samuel
HILL Thomas
HILL William
HUSTON James
HUSTON Samuel
HUTCHINSON Joseph
HUTCHINSON Stephen
HUTCHINSON William
JAY John
JEFFERIES Nathaniel
KELLY Edward
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Isaac
KELLY James
KELLY James
KELLY James Jun.
KELLY Joseph
KELLY Richard
KELLY Samuel
MANN Newby
MANN Nuby
MANN Samuel
MARTIN George
MARTIN James
MARTIN James
MARTIN John
MARTIN John
MARTIN Joseph
MARTIN Robert
MARTIN Roger
MARTIN Shadrach
MARTIN Thomas
MARTIN William
McDANIEL Angus
McDANIEL Daniel
McDANIEL William
McMESTERSON Patrick Juhn
M536 MINTER John
M532 MOUNTS Barnabas
M532 MOUNTS George
PEARSON Enoch
PEARSON Harry
PEARSON John
PEARSON John
PEARSON John
PEARSON Joseph
PEARSON Thomas
PEARSON William
PUGH Edward
STEEL Aaron
STEEL Isaac
STEEL John
STEEL Samuel
STEWARD John
STEWARD William
STEWART Alexander
STEWART Isaac
STEWART Joshua
STEWART Robert
STEWART William
SWEARENGAIN John
SWEARENGAIN Joseph
SWEARENGAIN Vann Jun.
SWEARENGAIN Vann Sen.
TEAGUE Elijah
THOMPSON Abraham
THOMPSON Charles
THOMPSON James
THOMPSON John
THOMPSON Joseph
THOMPSON Robert
THOMPSON Samuel
THOMPSON Samuel
THOMPSON William
VARNER John
VAUGHN William
WRIGHT Abraham
WRIGHT Jacob
WRIGHT John
WRIGHT William
WRIGHT William
YATES Thomas
BEAN William
BEAN William
BOWLIN Abel
BOWLIN John
BROOKS Elisha
BROOKS Jacob
BROOKS Richard
BROOKS Thomas
CARTER Benjamin
CARTER George
CARTER James
CARTER John
CARTER Joseph
CARTER Robert
CARTER Silas
CARTER Thomas
CARTER Thomas
GANT Israel
This group first traveled through Warren Co Ohio and some stayed while others moved on to Miami Co. Warren is just south of Greene so we are still talking Shawnee county and Tecumseh. There is a good resource online. Probably 100’s of biographies of Warren Co in the Beer’s History. People paid to get listed and was allowed to edit so always showed the good side of life but can be a good resource. There are Mounts and Greens and most of the surnames being researched here so anyone might want to take a peak. Often can get the parents and where they lived before coming to Ohio and we were a real “pass through” state.
Families came overland from Pa and up the old trails from the Carolinas, Ky and Virginia. My Juliens start in Md, some went Pa some when south to SC and then both side came here. What a mess.
Depending on your references to Swearingin (? – gain or gin), if they are your direct line, we are distant cousins.
Is there a link to this information?
Techteach
No, I am not related to Swearingen as far as I know. I just take notes whenever I see the name to see if there is a migration pattern. They were in so many of the same places that a lot of my family was. I live just north of Fairborn and one of my sons lives in Fairborn where Van Trees is from that challenged the legend. Alan Eckert lives just north of here and there is no doubt that he used historical info but did fictionalize a few things. Swearingen is a name that shows up here, in fact, Thomas Worthington, the first govenor of Ohio was married to Eleanor Swearingen.
Do you know anything about this group? There may be a connection between John Cheek and a Van Swearingen in Anson Co NC. J J Blevins married Pinky Cheek in Grayson Co Va. He was the grandson of John Blevins “The Tory” who received a land grant in Nova Scotia for his Loyalist activities. J J Blevins and Pinky Cheek Blevins were active in establishing a Brethern Church and had a close relationship to the Younce’s who seemed to be the motivator for my Blevins to come to Ohio. All part of the SC to Ohio migration.
Sorry, Vivian, I don’t know. My group went to Licking County. The Swearingen group that I descend from were not known to have NA. They went to Guernsey County, I believe.
Techteach
Seeking parents of Wiley Blevins , born 1812, and lived on the North Carolina side of Roan Mountain. He married Rebecca Honeycutt whose ancesters were from Blackwater Surrey.
So you know for sure if Wiley was the son of Nathan. Your Nathan is the same age as my Nathan of Green Co Ky and then Ashe Co NC and I find it very interesting that they are the two eldest Nathans. Has there been anyone to do the DNA thing for Wiley? It sure has changed the way we are looking at things now. We thought that Ron’s James and Ms Ward were the parents of Nathan but the DNA was not a perfect match and he matched with another group. Doubt that our Nathan’s would be brothers but they most certainly could be cousins.
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