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I think it is WV. Its the one founded by Thomas Shepherd. I discovered that information from a distant cousin researcher who shared my line of McNabb Shepherd union. He had actually visited the town, and said the house Thomas had built as a wedding gift to his daughter Martha there still stands. I don’t have my record on me but Thomas came from England. He moved to WV from another state. I will try to fill in the gaps when I get home.
Yes, it is now WV, at the time founded it was all Va. Shepherdstown founded 1762. Due West of Baltimore MD. Very likely MD was where Thomas came from before VA as well. I can’t verify with cirtainty currently because I found some info online of Shepherd history and also had other info from the cousin, one hardcopy and other info lost through e-mails un retrieved. Going by memory I can’t recall all the details and can’t find it on my hardcopy.
Then that is the location of my Green and Butts line. I was there a few years ago, exploring the area. Pretty, old town. They lived along the Potomac there.
Techteach
FYI My Coppocks (AKA Cappock, Coppoc, Coppac) mentioned in this thread are related to the famous/infamous brothers Barclay and Edwin Coppock. Both lines descend from Bartholomew Coppock (b.1610) of Cheshire England. These Coppocks were William Penn Quakers who came to Chester County PA and Cecil County MD, and later Columbiana County Ohio.
Barclay and Edwin are the Coppock brothers from Salem Ohio who eschewed the non-violent stance of the Quakers and joined abolitionist John Brown in Kansas anti-slavery raids pre-civil war. And also participated in the taking of the federal armory at Harper’s Ferry.
Barclay Coppock (4 Jan 1839 – 4 Sep 1861) – escaped Harper’s Ferry via underground railroad killed in action during Civil war after train plunged into ravine on Platte River after bridge was destroyed by Confederate soldiers.
Edwin Coppock (30 Jun 1835 – 16 Dec 1859) – hanged in Charlestown VA along with John Brown for role in raid on Harper’s Ferry.How interesting. I just re-vamped a very old blog for a Quaker gentleman who spent a day in a Selma AL jail cell in 1965. Since he was White, the sheriff thought he must be important, so he put him in the same cell with Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy.
So, since we know you and I are related some kind of way, likely more recently than those Pontius’s then I’m related some kind of way, by marriage to those infamous boys. What a hoot.
Linda;37645 wrote: How interesting. I just re-vamped a very old blog for a Quaker gentleman who spent a day in a Selma AL jail cell in 1965. Since he was White, the sheriff thought he must be important, so he put him in the same cell with Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy.
So, since we know you and I are related some kind of way, likely more recently than those Pontius’s then I’m related some kind of way, by marriage to those infamous boys. What a hoot.
He has an interesting perspective of being Quaker in Virginia. None of my Quaker ancestors stayed in the slave states pre-civil war. Barclay and Edwin and my direct ancestor Nathan Coppock all ended up in Ohio at the same time, but their lines did not get there the same way.
Barclay and Edwin Coppock’s grandfather John Coppock (1776-1854) seems to have come directly to Ohio from Pennsylvania, and his father Samuel Coppock Sr (1748-1823) came to Lancaster County and the Little Britain Monthly Meeting from Cecil County MD, and the generation before from Chester County PA.
Nathan A Coppock Jr’s grandfather Isaac Coppock (1768-1804) came to Miami County Ohio from Newberry SC and the Bush River Monthly Meeting. His father Moses William Coppock came from PA.
The Bush River Meeting started in 1772 so these Coppocks were likely early members. This is what Hinshaw’s says about the migration from this meeting:
“About 1802, moved by a desire to live in a country where no slaves were held, Friends of Bush River began to migrate to Ohio. Between 1802 and 1807 more than one hundred certificates of removal were issued, most of them being for families. this so depleted the membership that the monthly meeting seems to have been all but abandoned in 1808, but not formally laid down until 1822.” – HINSHAW, Encyclopedia of Quaker Genealogy (1936), p. 1015.
So, this leads to the question of how I might describe my kinship to these boys. I’m going to write an article about them for my blog. It will be nice to say something like ‘my fifth cousins twice removed.”
Where do you and I connect? All the way back to the Pontius?
there is a bit info hiding here too about Quakers and Moravians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_(American_Indian_leader)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikellamy
maybe it will give you guys some clues and some of those mens reasonings and help follow where they went or moved too and why .
it appears from these wikipedia things Quakers did want land but didn’t want to convert anyone ..
and Moravians didn’t want land and would live with anyone and did want to convert people.
I know my family too like Moravians better for a few reason , mostly because they believed in personal responsibility and integrity and were not hypocrites. and way to many quakers were just way too human ( maybe like Conestoga/ paxton event among others ) . and way too human shouldn’t lead anyone anywhere or make treaties they don’t keep or intend to keep either .
Nannanae;37831 wrote: there is a bit info hiding here too about Quakers and Moravians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_(American_Indian_leader)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikellamy
maybe it will give you guys some clues and some of those mens reasonings and help follow where they went or moved too and why .
it appears from these wikipedia things Quakers did want land but didn’t want to convert anyone ..
and Moravians didn’t want land and would live with anyone and did want to convert people.
I know my family too like Moravians better for a few reason , mostly because they believed in personal responsibility and integrity and were not hypocrites. and way to many quakers were just way too human ( maybe like Conestoga/ paxton event among others ) . and way too human shouldn’t lead anyone anywhere or make treaties they don’t keep or intend to keep either .
Saying that there are Quaker hypocrites but no Moravian hypocrites is ridiculous. There are hypocrites in any group.
Mary Dyer 1611-1660
She was one of four execued in Puritan Massachusetts for having illegal Quaker beliefs She was given a reprieve but would not accept it. Born Marie Barret she married William Dyer 1633 in England. She and her husband came to Massachusetts in 1635 and she likely gave birth on the boat or soon after as she baptised a child in Boston in 1635. In the 1650s Massachussets passed laws against the Society of Friends (Quakers). William Robinson, Marmaduke Stephenson and Mary Dyer were sentenced to hang on 27 Oct 1659.
She witnessed the hanging of her two friends on that day, and was given a reprieve after standing on a ladder with a noose around her neck. The day after she wrote a letter to the magistrate refusing the reprieve. She left for Rhode Island through the winter staying with other Quakers. She returned to Boston May 21 1660 determined to force the authorities to change the law or hang a woman. She was hung on June 1 1660. The execution was condemned by many, even the King of England who ordered the New England authorites to stop their executions.
Mary Dyer is my 10xg-grandmother.
Her line to me is through Dyer-2xWard-Kitchen-3xCotton-2xMarshall-2xDrybread. This was definitely a mixed Blackfoot line by Marshall, and likely by Kitchen and Cotton, and possibly as early as Ward.
techteach;38242 wrote: You have a Cotton? My William Ralston in western PA, married a Martha Cotton.
Yes, the closest Cotton to me is Melvilla Cotton 1832-1860 who was my grandfather’s g-grandmother. She married Jacob Marshall in Johnson IN. Her father was William W Cotton 1803-1874 (born in Bardstown KY, rests in Nineveh IN) who married Nancy Ann Irwin 1802-1899. His father was Henry Smith Cotton 1803-1874 (born in VA, rests in Bardstown KY) who married Mary Harrell 1765-1827 of Bertie NC.
There are three more generations of Cottons all born in VA/MD before it brick walls in my line; Ralph Robert Cotton 1747-1817, John Ralph Cotton 1721-1808, who both rest in Bardstown and Ralph Cotton b.1698 All Hallows Parrish, Anne Arundel MD, d. 1728 Stafford VA.
They do not seem dierctly related to your Western PA Cotton line as far as I can tell. But the name seems to appear repeatedly in mixed lines, much like Harrell, who my Cottons marry into.
Other surnames of the ancestors of my 1787 Bardstown Harrell-Cotton marriage are; Smith, Padgett, Wimberley, Barbee, Hyde, Clator, Overall, Pearce, Vaughter, Jones, Baldridge, Noel, Hodgson, Elliot, Page, Allen, Miller, Gaines, Christopher, Beaumont, Leath, Temple, and Cook.
There is another Cotton in this group that is not on the male Cotton line – Mary Cotton b. 1660 Hungars Parish Northampton VA – d. 1729 Albemarle Parish Albemarle VA.
This line married into the Coppocks in the next generation – my grandfather’s maternal Marshall and Coppock grandparents. From the stories I was told this group of families had remained close over many years.
My western PA Walkers went to Bardstown after the Whiskey Rebellion. They are not connected to the Cottons though, as far as I know of. The Walker line is my maternal grandfather’s line while the Ralstons who were in western PA, with the Blackfoot designation in a wife who marries Martha Cotton’s son, were my maternal grandmother’s line.
Techteach
That’s interesting because my Drybreads left Western PA at the same time. The Whiskey Rebellion makes sense as a possible motivator to move. Not that I have family history from then, but it would be consistent with more recent family history.
Of my grandfather’s grandparents:
His paternal Drybread grandfather came out of Westmoreland PA
His paternal Nay grandmother came from Nelson KY
His maternal grandfathers parents were from OH by way of PA and Nelson KY (Cottons)
His maternal grandmothers lines came from OH/WV by way of VA/NC/SC and is the one I have many SaponiTown connections on.
None of these lines had any oral history, only suspicions. They were very self-sufficient and close families. The cousins my mother has met through my grandfather are a big reason why I can connect myself to so many mixed-blood/Quaker lines today. It is the same on my grandmother’s side which has the Blackfoot ID, more mixed names and our relation to William Penn.
I am applying for Daughters of the American Revolution patriot status for this Walker ancestor. They rejected him initially which forced me to investigate the history of this area of PA. Very fascinating. My ancestor had a couple of reasons for leaving. That area of PA was claimed by both VA and PA, and it was not until 1784 that the line was finally established. In the meantime, there were courts for both states in the area. VA was slow in announcing to the area residents that negotiations left the area to PA. My ancestor got his land through VA, as clearly indicated by his signature on 2 petitions, although we could not find the land records. The 1782 petition was to VA, reminding the state officials of their loyalty oaths to VA and asking what was happening. The second one, in 1783, was considered seditious by PA, again stated loyalty but that since it was taking so long to let residents know what was going on, and since they were so far away from Philadelphia, they just wanted to form their own state, Westsylvania. This petition was signed twice by my Walker ancestor. It is on Fold3.
The male residents of this area were also pulled by 3 different groups, demanding militia service: VA, PA, and George Rogers Clark whose men bullied people into fighting the indigenous in OH.
So on top of that, he, being a whiskey distiller, my ancestor was required to pay whiskey excise taxes in 1791 to PA. The PA exciseman was tarred and feathered, I think. He puts his land for sale in 1793 and is found in Bardstown in 1800.
I was actually kind of glad that his application was denied (The DAR said that we did not prove his residency there well enough and that his militia service was negated by fines – I have established that his fines predated his militia service, since the fines were paid to one state established earlier than the militia service to another, but the DAR has become so picky that they almost approve no one without land records during the Revolution and some sort of listing of children and spouses. We have the latter, but as you can see, getting the former, since it comes from a VA courthouse that was dismantled in the 1780s probably won’t happen. And then, there is some single guy with the same name on a 1781 tax record in the area that may be the ultimate reason for me losing the battle.)
Techteach
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