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Hello Vivian, all *smile* I don’t knwo how I missed this thread but alas, I found it….and found it to be most interesting as well. On my paternal side of the “family fencepost” I have just oodles of Quakers….including some that you mentioned in your earlier post about those from the 1798 list of SC to Warren Co, OH migrations…namely, Samuel Kelly and his wife Hannah Pearson. (Isaac was his brother by the way…also mentioned on the list.) This is what I have on Samuel Kelly: b: 13 Feb 1760 Bush River, Newberry Distr., SC; d: 4 Feb 1851 Warren Co, OH. He MD Hannah Pearson (1765-1839) on 1 Jan 1789 in BR, Newberry Distr, SC…they had CH: Mary (1789-1874; MD: Andrew Whitacre…he is in my direct line of paternal Whitacres), Isaac (1791-1822), John (1793-?), Timothy (1796-1866), Samuel Jr. (1798-1895 MD: Achsah Stubbs…she is also in my direct paternal line), Moses (1803-1878) & Anna (1806-1835). Samuel’s father was John Kelly (Ireland to SC) and his mother was Mary Evans (PA to SC) and he was 1 of 7 CH born to them. Samuel & Hannah’s daughter Mary, along with her husband and numerous other folsk from that line of mine are all buried in a very old cemetery here in Warren county that coinicidentally, o not, my husband and I are restoring and recording etc for the local Genealogical Society…it is called the Roachester/Old Quaker Cemetery and it is sadly in just horrid shape…the property was in “limbo” for quite a few years and was not maintained…the “house” on the property is the original Miami Monthly Meeting House and is still the tell-tale red brick structure that it always was…some years back, the lot and MM house was sold and the new owner put a 2nd story on the top of it…it loosk nearly pitiful in that way (my opinion)…directly behind the odl MM house is the cemetery…when the person assumed ownership, part of the deeed of sale stipulated that he maintain and care for the cemetery but…unfortunately that did not happen and it fell into horrid/ill repair. The property was forclosed upon and sat vacant for a long stretch and became a sort of “druggy or crash house” and was severely vandalized…then it was finally/recently sodl at public auctiona nd the new owner I have met…it is my great hope that he will improve upon it and keep his “end of the deal” in assisting in maintaining the cemetery. It is my understanding (per Miami MM records) that there are over 110 people buried in the cemetery…we have only begun to clear the area and record/rub/photograph it…teh brush is well over my head high and the thickets are atrocious…but so far, we have located 63 stones…with many more to be found. My uncle Richard has agreed to help us in clearing the cemetery and we are hopeful that we can maybe get some grant allotment to help us along…many of the stones are missing and broken and in very bad shape…one interesting thing is that in this Quaker Cemetery there are buried 4 sons and a father with the surname Strange…these men all fought in the Civil War in the “Colored Guard” and escaped to Warren County via the “Underground Railroad” and were, as was apparently “their nature”, Very welcomed by our Quakers…and thus were buried there. It is my understanding, that for the time, the Quakers were the one group of people that bore no racial grudges and welcomed colored burials within their cemeteries. I should also perhaps mention that Samuel’s daughter Mary and my relative, her husband, Andrew Whitacre, were onc emembers of, and married at the Waynesville MM. There are just oodles of Quaker docs here locally, many I have copies of as they connect closely to my father’s lines. The primary Quaker surnames that most closely connect to me are: Kampel, Whitacre, Kelly, Cadwallader, Baldwin, Stubbs, Sellers, Starbuck, Ireland, Weaver, Thompson, Repogle, Lind, Hornbaker, Hollingsworth, Thomas & Smith.
I am going to TRY and attach a picture of the Old Quaker Cemetery that shows the Original Miami Monthly Meeting House (with it’s 2nd story addition)…the cemetery sits directly behind it. Blessings and thank you for the original source data~~~~~Laurie
*NOTE: I tried to DL a copy of the pic but it said it was MUCH too large…any ideas Linda? Can I perhaps email it to YOU and you can put it on the site for others to see? Thanks in advance~~~Laurie
Hello again Vivian….well jinkies…you are hitting “close to home” with me yet again…in the same thread! Let me explain: My GG granduncle, Abner Jackson “Jack” Nichols MD Margaret Ann Blevins…she being the d/o: Samuel Blevins & Nancy Cox…they being from Grayson Co, KY! I only very recently discovered this Blevins connection to my maternal line and woudl love to know more about the Blevins from in and around Grayson County. Thanks so much~~~Laurie
quest for facts wrote: It’s interesting that Quakers are now coming up on this forum because I also have Quakers in my family history. They came in through Maryland and then down into North Carolina. I also have several Welsh lines. Price, Lleweyln and Wynne… Linda
Hi Linda –
I too am a descendant of Llewellyn Quackers. My branch came from Randolph Co, NC and ended up (still live in) Habersham Co (later Banks Co), GA. This is also supposed to be the line where I get my NDN heritage although, like most of us, I have yet to prove it. From what I can identify so far:
Joseph C. Lewallen and wife, Mary (LNU) moved from Randolph Co to the Old Pendleton Dist (96th Dist), SC sometime around 1790, then up to Franklin/Habersham/Banks Co, GA around 1805. This family’s descendants still live in and around Hollingsworth, GA. Just south of Hollingsworth is the Line Baptist Church where most of my Lewallen line are buried. The church was so named because it was the dividing line between the white’s and the Indians. The white’s were not allowed on the Indian side after dark.
But, the most interesting fact is there are 2 parts to the cemetery; the “white” section and the “slave” (or non-white) section. The earliest Lewallen tombstones are in the “slave” section up to just after 1900. Then those same Lewallen’s children were buried in the “white” section starting about 1925.
Here is an excerpt from an email I just received from another Lewallen descendant that still lives in Atlanta.
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In 1830, Joseph, Jr., his brothers Worthy and John Franklin (these are 3 of Joseph C’s sons) returned for a short while to North Carolina, presumably to attend a Quaker meeting.
At this time, most of the Lewallens in Randolph county were preparing to move to Indiana, with hundreds of other Quakers, to escape living in a slave state. The North Carolina Lewallens had been very involved in the anti-slavery movement. While John Franklin and Worthy returned to Georgia, Joseph Jr. apparently decided to join the other Lewallens in the move to Indiana. There are records of his death soon after arriving in Jennings County, Indiana and his wife’s death as well several years later.
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Does any of this fit with your Llewellyn/Lewallen line?
– John C
I do not know if there has been any DNA tests related to Wiley Blevins, who married Rebbeca Honeycutt. What I noticed about this thread was the Indians and Quakers, as Rebecca descended from Peter “The Quaker” Stout.
Her Honeycutt ancestors were from Blackwater Surry. Jacob, her father, was the brother to Aaron who married Mary Piercy Blevins/Mary Blevins Piercy
who some believe to be the sister of Wiley.
My great grandmother was Rebecca Elizabeth Edwards born 1868 in NC, lived in Carroll County VA she is suppose to be Blackfoot/Cherokee. She married William Rawley Davis who was from the Quaker religion. I have not been able to prove her Indian heritage and always wondered if she was taken in by a quaker family.
Have you ever checked the Encyclopedia of American Quakers more commonly called Hinshaw’s. He collected records from all over and is a great source. Davis is definitely a Quaker name. They have it online at Ancestry.com and most libraries will have it. If he was a Quaker when he married her, it will not have the marriage recorded but will tell that he would have been disowned or she would have had to join the church.
Just wanted to share this map of the Friend’s Westward Migration Routes.
This is originally from ‘Quakers on the American Frontier’ 1969 by Errol T Elliott, Friends United Press.
It is in the inside cover of my copy of ‘Our Quaker Ancestors’ 1987 by Ellen Thomas & David Allen Berry, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
The ‘Cappocks’ mentioned here must be Coppocks. My Grandfather’s grandmother was Mary Martha Coppock. Her grandfather was Nathan A Coppock born 1800 in Newberry SC where the Bush River Monthly Meeting was. His father Issac Coppock was brother to a John Coppock – a name on Vivian’s list. The eldest of their siblings was James Coppock born 9 Oct 1758 Granville Co NC. He married Hannah Pugh (her name is in Hinshaws at the Bush River Meeting). They removed to Covington Twp, Miami Co, Ohio around 1800.
There are conflicting stories from different sources on the Coppock line in regards to ancestry. It is not totally certain how many seperate Coppock lines there are. I know that Nathan A Coppock Jr – born 25 Apr 1834 in Covington, Miami, OH married a Bayley who ties back to Saponi families. Whether he himself had NA ancestry is an open question. His maternal grandparents were Thomas Waters and Ruth Llewellyn. (The same Thomas Waters mentioned in the Vann Cherokee Cabin thread I started)
Here are all the names for the old SC census:
Full 1779 census for the “old 96th District” South Carolina
South Carolina Quaker Meeting Membership List, 1772-1820
Bush River Meeting -from Hinshaw’s Encycolpedia of American Quaker Genealogy 1969 p1015
Nathan A Coppock JrVery interesting thread to me as I have more than one Quaker line, and Ive noticed a few surnames I have in my lines..Harman, Bean, and Israel. Some of this I cannot verify on the oldest records, but got information from Ancestry “green leaf” tips that were probable. As well as a few Quaker recordings.
Does anyone know if “Pennsylvania Dutch” is the same as quakers?
A word of mouth descent on my mothers fathers side, as well as Irish and unverified unknown native on a grandmothers side with surnames of Dingman, Cleland, Layman, Moser Mouser or Mosier, and Smith. I listed both grandmothers since Im not sure of which one said it, but according to my great uncle she told him if he ever wanted to know about it to look up the records, of which Ive yet to discover.
Dingman b. 1874 Noble Co. IN, father John b. 1850 Noble IN, father Adam 1815 Ohio, and Mary Cleland b. 1822. Other grandma, Moser Mosier Mouser variants born 1853 Ohio of John Mouser and Kathrine Smith.
The grandfathers Surname Bradley comes from Ireland in 1853, but Maiden names Kepford by 1852 of Noble Co IN, father David b.1804 Cumberland PA, wife Mary Bortel 1812 PA, Davids father Frederick Kepford 1779 Lancaster PA.
Other grandfather Thomas J Smith b. 1850 in Paulding Co. OH.
That I know of so far some of my surnames found in Quaker records or forgotten sources are::::
George McNabb b1750 of Chester PA, whos probable but unproven father would have been John son of Immigrant William McNabb who settled in PA from England if I recall correctly, but the surname is Scottish.
He met and married his wife through a quaker gathering, again recalling by memory. She was Martha Shepherd
b. 1752 in Shepherdstown VA (or WV?) Her father being Thomas Shepherd immigrant of England. No knowledge of or recollection of mothers sides. Both moved to and died in Belmont Co. Ohio.
Their son John, a “lay preacher” married Sarah Parrish, another surname Ive noticed in others here. They lived and died in Coshocton Co Ohio. Sarah, ona green leaf from ancestry, is stated as having father of Edward Parrish b.1757 Maryland and Prudence Israel b. 1757 Maryland. I did notice Israel surname on something posted here as well.
Their son, Joseph b. 1804 Coshocton OH married Jemimah Horton, another surname Ive seen here as well somewhere. I have yet to verify a “green leaf” stating Jemima Hortons father is Ezra Horton, no mother tip.
All this leaves me with more questions…..
Parkers also Ive found some record in Quaker meetings, beinning with several Sylvanous Parkers that make my head spin keeping them all straight…and Im not quite done with it, but I think Sylanous Parker in the Quaker notes is the father of Sylvanous Parker b. 1806 in Mass., his son I believe is James 1828 NY, who married Eliza J Lippincott (think Ive seen this surname here?) b. 1830 OH. Their son Sylvanous born 1848 Auglaize OH.
Hewes or Hughs line, Edward Hewes b.1741 Wilmington, New Castle, Delaware. IN 1770 he marries Mary Stubbs b. 1751 Lancaster PA.
Their son Vincent b.1773 DE marries Mary Rumford Shipley b.1775 DE.
Their daughter Lydia b.1808 PA married Nathan Baker b.1809 WV.
Nathans father William b. 1775 unknown location, but many Bakers in early history. Williams wife Elizabeth Bean (surname here) b.1782 Maryland to William and Louisa.
None of these known quaker lines told of NA ancestry that has continued to me, that I know of.
seeker;37427 wrote: Very interesting thread to me as I have more than one Quaker line, and Ive noticed a few surnames I have in my lines..Harman, Bean, and Israel. Some of this I cannot verify on the oldest records, but got information from Ancestry “green leaf” tips that were probable. As well as a few Quaker recordings.
That I know of so far some of my surnames found in Quaker records or forgotten sources are::::
Their son John, a “lay preacher” married Sarah Parrish, another surname Ive noticed in others here. They lived and died in Coshocton Co Ohio. Sarah, ona green leaf from ancestry, is stated as having father of Edward Parrish b.1757 Maryland and Prudence Israel b. 1757 Maryland. I did notice Israel surname on something posted here as well. .
I must appologize and make some corrections, I found some of my older records that conflict with what I wrote here.
I had recently gotten these names as parents for Sarah Parrish on an Ancestry tip.
This Parrish couple may or may not be related, but are not my Sarahs Parents.
For one thing, they appear to have never left MD, and my John McNabb never went through there.
For another, I have more accurate records from a distant cousin, that indicate Saras father would have more likely been
Joseph Parrish ,who is on the same tax record as John and George McNabb in Belmont Co. OH 1806.
The same county where John and Sarah married in 1803.
Does anyone know if “Pennsylvania Dutch” is the same as quakers?
‘Pennsylvania Dutch’ is actually a corruption of ‘Pennsylvania Deutsch’. ‘Deutsch’ is German in the German language, Germany is Deutschland.
There were many German immigrants to Pennsylvania but they were not all Quakers. However, many Quakers were early leaders in PA and led a political group. That group included people of other faiths, Lutherans, Moravians and others, but many associated them with Quaker leaders. Also not all Quakers were German. Many were English like William Penn – namesake of Pennsylvania.
So the two terms are not the same thing, but in some contexts they could be referring to the same general group.
Thank you MarcSnelling
I knew of the word Dutch originated from Germany from researching ancestry from there. I also read somewhere that the word ended up being a generic term used for anyone who spoke another language.
I’ve been trying to discover the true meaning of Pennsylvania Dutch because my grandpas grandma told him that’s what they were (as well as Irish on that side).
There is still a group of people who call themselves Pennsylvania Dutch, probably of German PA decent.
The term is also used locally to refer to the Amish (a religious group of mostly German decent and similar language) here in Indiana.
I had not figured out yet whether I had Amish (who came out of Mennonite faith) back in the roots somewhere, or a German speaking PA ancestor…from all the definitions I guess its up in the air at this point. But seems most likely German ancestor from PA more so than any specific religious group.
Your welcome Seeker,
Anabaptist communities like the Amish and Mennonites are also part of the PA Dutch. I’m not aware if any from those communities intermarried with Saponi. The Quaker community certainly did according to several people’s family histories. The Quakers are sometimes confused with the Amish as they both used to practice plain dress. The Amish still do. The Quaker’s goal was to blend in, so when plain dress started to make them stand out they abandoned the practice.
There is another very small religious group that is part of this group, the Shakers. The Shakers branched off from the Quakers. They practiced celibacy so they didn’t intermarry with anyone and their numbers stayed very small. Their strong beliefs made them a target of hostility. I grew up knowing about the Shakers, but almost everyone I talk to has never heard of them. I’ve noticed on one 1800s census sheet that my Drybread ancestors are next to a Shaker household. I know because the census taker wrote ‘Shaker’ in after the family’s name. I have never seen anyone else have their religion noted in this way on the census.
Anyway I’m getting off on a tangent. What I’ve noticed about Saponi and PA Dutch communities in my family is they both seem to have gone to great effort to preserve traditions that were not part of mainstream culture. Saponi by passing down the Blackfoot name through many generations. The PA Dutch by hanging on to their language and music as much as possible. My uncles both spoke German and everyone in that side of my family are musicians. They have been in Indiana from 1799 to today.
-Marc
That’s interesting as well about the traditions..
My grandpa who had the blackfoot line, on my dads side, was musically inclined. His dad before him, an uncle and cousins. As well it passed down to my dad, uncles and cousins. They played many barn dances back in the day.
One of my uncles was in a local band as well.
However his side was said to have “Black Dutch”. Still have yet to figure out who they are…
My moms dads side is the ones who have PA Dutch.
Seeker,
I don’t have time to elaborate, but my lines include people who are from near Shepherdstown although it was Shepherdstown, WV. Is that the same one? The area was settled by Germans, as well as the families who came from near Baltimore, MD where my lines were from: the Greens and Butts.
Techteach
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