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Here is a interesting site that was sent to me by someone. It may be helpful to someone somewhere. It traces and document the mixed decendants of Cherokee Chief Chulio Shoeboot and his Descendants. It was said that he had two wives one white and one black and it documents and list the descendants of these unions.
Shoshone
http://www103.pair.com/adsd/family/mary/richardson/indian-document.html
I don’t have the reference right now,but when I lived in FL,I remember reading about a Rev Dr. Shoeboot who once ran for lt.(?) governor of Wyoming
or Colorado.
Because Dr. Shoeboot pastored a black church,folks assumed he was also.
When a newspaper reporter wrote such,Dr. Shoeboot wrote back saying he was
FB Cherokee.
This was in a book on black cowboys.
I wonder if he has any connection with this Shoeboot line.
Roca
Hello,
I really cannot say, but I will speculate that more than likely he may have been a descendant of that line.
Thanks.
Shoshone
this is a very old thread ..
yes william who was 1/2 blood or more ( at least 1/2 AS DOLLY HAD INDIAN ALSO from I believe slavery of indian at the time of the tuscarora wars.. .. but she was from slavery also, and thus a ‘slave’ but her daughter from shoeboots my grggg was a “Yellow'(red head) which blows these folks who are about promoting only very dark brown ‘red’ indians out of the water ) William was denied citizenship in the cherokee 1880’s and that was even before the dawes , he was a son of Dolly .
yes I believe his descendants went to CO . AREAS in about 1880 or 1890’S. And yes Wiillam was a reverend and pastor I think.. well I think william was a reverend. He was after all raised in the Ridge family household when young and got a good education.
maybe one of his son was DR or probably both were pastors .
course I know why they were pastors ! but that is kind of family business.
Thanks for the info……bot I am baffled a bit by your statement. Who is promoting dark brown or red indians????? As we know slavery left many physical types, also with many Cherokees intermarrying with scotts and non natives why would it be a surprise? As native bloodlines did get diluted we could expect anything. Sorry your family did not get accepted into the tribe. What ever became of your people? Why don’t you elaborate on that :-).
no not you dear !! … someone else on the site that I just read … which was very wrong and all from stereotypes that are just wrong.
all shoeboots family were treaty party ,
you can read about ‘Alleg’
that is who was run off ,
also a peice of the puzzle is what I just wrote to Vance about Shooeboots relations..
hope it helps..
no I wasn’t talking about you,
but I was stomping stereotypes that are all over this list … now even in what you said.
Well as any educated person would know many native descendants are well mixed. I would not focus on such trivial things if I were you. I am sure you have more important aspects of your family history that you want clarified. We all know better. I read the other post you wrote. What exactly is your purpose? Are you trying to find answers or answer questions about your lineage? Have you ever contacted the Cherokee Nation?
In one my DNA cousin’s genealogy there is a James “Shoeboot” (Shooboot) Lea b 1765-1770 Caswell Co NC d Jul 1835 Caswell Co NC. He married Frances “Franky” Rucker b 1761 Amherst Co VA – she was the daughter of Mary Tinsley b 1738 Orange VA.
James Shoeboot’s brother was John “Canebrake” Lea.
James Shoeboot’s father is listed as John “County Line” Lea b St Georges, Spotsylvania VA d, 10 Mar 1803 Orange/Caswell NC. He married Winifred Kavanaugh.
His grandfather is listed as James “County Line Cree” Lea b 1706 King and Queen VA, d Mar 1792 Caswell NC,. He married Anne Herndon.
I can’t see if there is a connection between Chulio Shoeboot & James Shoeboot Lea. Wondering if anyone else has seen this line?
MarcSnelling;37304 wrote: In one my DNA cousin’s genealogy there is a James “Shoeboot” (Shooboot) Lea b 1765-1770 Caswell Co NC d Jul 1835 Caswell Co NC. He married Frances “Franky” Rucker b 1761 Amherst Co VA – she was the daughter of Mary Tinsley b 1738 Orange VA.
James Shoeboot’s brother was John “Canebrake” Lea.
James Shoeboot’s father is listed as John “County Line” Lea b St Georges, Spotsylvania VA d, 10 Mar 1803 Orange/Caswell NC. He married Winifred Kavanaugh.
His grandfather is listed as James “County Line Cree” Lea b 1706 King and Queen VA, d Mar 1792 Caswell NC,. He married Anne Herndon.
I can’t see if there is a connection between Chulio Shoeboot & James Shoeboot Lea. Wondering if anyone else has seen this line?
HI Marc do you think that they might be related? (is there some kind of oral history of famous/infamous chiefs in that line?)
well the only help I might be able to give you is just one or two tiny pieces of info that might be part of your puzzle maybe.. maybe not.
I cant find the exact info . but Attakullakulla gets like 20 or maybe as many as about 40 pairs of boots for his men ( maybe during the revolutionaryWar , I think maybe) . this is where the ” shoeboots ” gets started in our family anyway when Shoeboots is just a kid.. . and all of the men who fought with Attakullkulla got these boots. I can’t remember who Attakullakulla who or whom.. or even what country .. he gets those boots from though . I will keep looking , but you can find that story you might want to see if your family was anyplace near where ever it is that Attakullkulla gets those boots and who he might have been fighting for or with when he got those boots. just incase that is the reason for that using those words.
Now Shoeboot’s gets his red boots ( and gargets(sp?) etc ) for him and his brother Dragging Canoe from his father in law at Detroit .
Governor Henry Hamilton is his father in law I am very sure. . so you might want to see if you have any connections to the Hamilton family maybe or to Dragging canoe. who was older than Shoeboots/ I think (it is also Chulioa / Chulio etc supposed to translate as ‘shoeboot’ some say that , but I don’t remember what grandma said about it ) but I am sure that Dragging Canoe uses that name also sometimes .
I can’t think of anything else that might help you find some kind of connection if you think there is one.
he just may have liked that name… 😛
I don’t remember for sure if there was any Lee’s in his family.
now I have friends who are Lees who said they have native blood lines in their Lee’s. so who knows.
I hope that helps.
shoshone;35989 wrote: Well as any educated person would know many native descendants are well mixed. I would not focus on such trivial things if I were you. I am sure you have more important aspects of your family history that you want clarified. We all know better. I read the other post you wrote. What exactly is your purpose? Are you trying to find answers or answer questions about your lineage? Have you ever contacted the Cherokee Nation?
well Shoeboots was full blooded and Dolly his third wife was black and Indian and had no white .. and she was a slave and at least 1/2 indian . and this ” relationship has become infamous….. their daughter is red headed and passes as white , but her ” cherokee ” cousins and 1/2 siblings from his first marriages.. sell her as a slave after Shoeboots died. . The Ridge and John Ridge ( Shoeboots nephew ) and Shoeboots sisters ( one is his twin ) BUY her and her siblings back and she and her siblings inherit Shoeboots estate 4 or5 years before the trail of tears. Now it took her family 5 years to find her so she was a white looking indian who was a slave . maybe MY point is that if A 1/2 blood ++ and African cherokee passes as white and has NO WHITE , what are the odds there is very high bloods today with no late African blood that could pass as white ?
From : Myths of the Cherokee by James Mooney (circa 1902)
Da’si’giya’gl — an old masculine personal name, of doubtful etymology, but commonly rendered by the traders “Shoe-boots,” possibly referring to some peculiar style of moccasin or leggin. A chief known to the whites as Shoe-boots is mentioned in the Revolutionary records. Chief Lloyd Welch, of the eastern band, was known in the tribe as Da’si’giya’gl and the same name is now used by the East Cherokee as the equivalent of the name Lloyd.
Nannanae;37309 wrote: HI Marc do you think that they might be related? (is there some kind of oral history of famous/infamous chiefs in that line?)
There is Blackfoot oral history but not of a chief. I have my mother’s, uncle’s and great-aunt’s DNA and the cousin who has this genealogy shares all three so I know she is on this side (Brower/Bechtel/Gates/Heaton).
The only two times I had seen ‘ShoeBoots’ were in this thread and in this genealogy. The birth dates put them in the same generation but I can’t really see any connection. I’ve contacted the cousin to try and get more info.
From what Katfish is saying it seems a more common name than I realized.
MarcSnelling;37322 wrote: There is Blackfoot oral history but not of a chief. I have my mother’s, uncle’s and great-aunt’s DNA and the cousin who has this genealogy shares all three so I know she is on this side (Brower/Bechtel/Gates/Heaton).
The only two times I had seen ‘ShoeBoots’ were in this thread and in this genealogy. The birth dates put them in the same generation but I can’t really see any connection. I’ve contacted the cousin to try and get more info.
From what Katfish is saying it seems a more common name than I realized.
yes Marc
the Welshes are related some way I can’t figure it out yet. I am quite sure Shoeboots first name wasn’t Loyd. but I am sure as I can be that Welshes and Woodards/ woodwards are related to him some way. I suspect it was Woodward who sold Lizzy and Welshes who sold her twin brothers ( Lewis and William ) into slavery . so yep it was pretty messed up.
but he has siblings who use that name Shoeboots , and he has kids (from 3 wives )that I know of ) that can use that name. I but I can’t find all those kids yet either.
but honestly I don’t know if Lee is a related name or not..
I can’t help with that one.. it is just too common of sounds to remember names like that. sorry.
I am very sure Walker and son in law Boggs are some of his kids names .
you see Shoeboots is his a name that white people call him .
he has these names spelled lots of ways
Sallee cookiewalah ( snapping turtle at home) after clarinda leaves him he is very upset and lonely .
Dasigiyagi ( going like a turtle ) ( this is really a horn dog kind of joke name )
Teaskiyargi( hard shell turtle ) others who aren’t real close to him . call him like ‘ the turtle shell’.. because he carries that huge shell the shawnee gave him when around the time he got Clarinda . He carries it into battles .
when he is old he has a
“old cock” or more ‘ancient chicken’ name , I can’t think of it right now.
He has some kind of ‘little owl ‘ name when he is young, it just means he is a son of white owl ..
He some kind of horse name from stealing horses from whites, I think maybe the creeks call him that one. ..
and lots of names in other tribes.
I can’t even begin to really guess which ones he might be and which are his brothers and sons or nephews.. .
and just how many names he might have used over those ages.. and all the places he went for tribal and personal business.
so yes like names are a crazy ideas to him in his world , compared to how we use names today.
and like I said he had three wives I know of and I can’t really find but a few of dolly kids and a few of Clarinda’s kids and I think the Hamilton 1/2 indian daughter is creek or her kids become creeks or shawnee .. and her name is Mary Polly I think.. maybe she is called Polly Parrot. but I can’t prove those things yet. and I can’t locate her kids… except I think they are walkers/ walking sticks ( from leaning wood) and that one of her daughters marries a John Boggs.
but Even the Boggs can’t figure out which Boggs is that John Boggs and which walkers / walkingstick/leaningwoods don’t’ know for sure anything either.. I just sort of gave up.
but the welshes are related to him or to one his siblings somehow.
he has a twin sister and about 3 or 4 sisters.. now all memories are lost and only remembered as
“my full blooded indian grandma” it seems.
or ” my full blooded cherokee or blackfoot , or shawnee maybe chickasaw grandma…”
and sometimes just
” princess” yep that is probably that line..
that is about all that is remembered now ..
I tried to fix it as best I can remember.
but I was just a kid and know that I forgot a lot of stuff.
Katfish;37320 wrote: From : Myths of the Cherokee by James Mooney (circa 1902)
Da’si’giya’gl — an old masculine personal name, of doubtful etymology, but commonly rendered by the traders “Shoe-boots,” possibly referring to some peculiar style of moccasin or leggin. A chief known to the whites as Shoe-boots is mentioned in the Revolutionary records. Chief Lloyd Welch, of the eastern band, was known in the tribe as Da’si’giya’gl and the same name is now used by the East Cherokee as the equivalent of the name Lloyd.
thanks katfish. I put what I know about the Welshes . ^^^ up there . thanks though.
Nannanae;37325 wrote: yes Marc
the Welshes are related some way I can’t figure it out yet. I am quite sure Shoeboots first name wasn’t Loyd. but I am sure as I can be that Welshes and Woodards/ woodwards are related to him some way. I suspect it was Woodward who sold Lizzy and Welshes who sold her twin brothers ( Lewis and William ) into slavery . so yep it was pretty messed up.
but he has siblings who use that name Shoeboots , and he has kids (from 3 wives )that I know of ) that can use that name. I but I can’t find all those kids yet either.
but honestly I don’t know if Lee is a related name or not..
I can’t help with that one.. it is just too common of sounds to remember names like that. sorry.
I am very sure Walker and son in law Boggs are some of his kids names .
you see Shoeboots is his a name that white people call him .
he has these names spelled lots of ways
Sallee cookiewalah ( snapping turtle at home) after clarinda leaves him he is very upset and lonely .
Dasigiyagi ( going like a turtle ) ( this is really a horn dog kind of joke name )
Teaskiyargi( hard shell turtle ) others who aren’t real close to him . call him like ‘ the turtle shell’.. because he carries that huge shell the shawnee gave him when around the time he got Clarinda . He carries it into battles .
when he is old he has a
“old cock” or more ‘ancient chicken’ name , I can’t think of it right now.
He has some kind of ‘little owl ‘ name when he is young, it just means he is a son of white owl ..
He some kind of horse name from stealing horses from whites, I think maybe the creeks call him that one. ..
and lots of names in other tribes.
I can’t even begin to really guess which ones he might be and which are his brothers and sons or nephews.. .
and just how many names he might have used over those ages.. and all the places he went for tribal and personal business.
so yes like names are a crazy ideas to him in his world , compared to how we use names today.
and like I said he had three wives I know of and I can’t really find but a few of dolly kids and a few of Clarinda’s kids and I think the Hamilton 1/2 indian daughter is creek or her kids become creeks or shawnee .. and her name is Mary Polly I think.. maybe she is called Polly Parrot. but I can’t prove those things yet. and I can’t locate her kids… except I think they are walkers/ walking sticks ( from leaning wood) and that one of her daughters marries a John Boggs.
but Even the Boggs can’t figure out which Boggs is that John Boggs and which walkers / walkingstick/leaningwoods don’t’ know for sure anything either.. I just sort of gave up.
but the welshes are related to him or to one his siblings somehow.
he has a twin sister and about 3 or 4 sisters.. now all memories are lost and only remembered as
“my full blooded indian grandma” it seems.
or ” my full blooded cherokee or blackfoot , or shawnee maybe chickasaw grandma…”
and sometimes just
” princess” yep that is probably that line..
that is about all that is remembered now ..
I tried to fix it as best I can remember.
but I was just a kid and know that I forgot a lot of stuff.
That’s interesting, this is also from myths of the Cherokee..
P-394 The war medicine
There was another great Cherokee named Da’si’giya’gl or shoe-boots, as the whites called him, who lived on Hightower creek,in Georgia. He was so strong that it was said he could throw a corn mortar over a house, and with his magic power clear a river at one jump. His war medicine was an uktena scale and a very large turtle shell witch he got from the Shawano. In the Creek war he put this scale into water and bathed his body with the water, and also burned a piece of the turtle shell and drew a black line around his men with the coal, and he was never wounded and never had a man killed.
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