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This has probally been posted many times…..I’m just working on a little pin pointing here for us.
Collins family history handed down from father to son was; “The Collins were living in Virginia as Indians before they migrated to North Carolina, and they stole the name Collins from white settlers” ( Will Allen Dromgoole’s 1890 interview with Calloway Collins, (Melungeons And Other Pioneer Families.)
Other Collins men who were associated with Thomas Collins Sr. in New Kent, later Louisa County, Va. were probably his brothers. They were Samuel Collins, John Collins and William Collins.
25 Jan 1745 Louisa County, Virginia Court: William Hall, Samuel Collins, William Collins, Samuel Bunch, George Gibson, Benjamin Brannum, Thomas Gibson, & William Donothan appear to answer an indictment for concealing tithables. Plead not guilty, Case continued. (Louisa County, Va., Tithables and Census)
Although this John Collins may, or may not be a brother to Thomas the court record below establishes that some Collins were Saponia Indians. “Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manincassa, Capt Tom, Isaac, Harry, blind tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack, Indians being bought before the court for stealing Hogs. , Ordered that their Guns be taken away from them till they are ready to depart of this county, they having declared their intentions to depart this colony within a week.”.11 On pages 309-312 of Orange County Court Record book the above named men individually put up security.11
This party of Saponia ( Monasukapanough) Indians left that county and some of these may have been the same group that formed the settlement near Hillsborough, North Carolina in 1750. Which was the same neck of the woods where old Thomas Collins migrated, as we follow him through land transactions.(Ref in Melungeons And other pioneer Families).
ok that part we already know all too well…..now lets look at Louisa county Va.
Now we know where they was…..now lets look at the indian map of Virginia.
looks like heart of Monacan territory to me for louisa….then looks like heart of Manahoac territory for orange county. I don’t know why I have never put these two maps together. This is what I did for my Jeffries family line and I think my Jeffries line was on Mehherrin territory.
The remains of the Monacan village of Monasukapanough are now buried beneath the floodplain of the Rivanna River at a site marked as 44AB18. The landscape of the area has a very different appearance today than it had while the Monacans were living there. After centuries of plowing, the rolling hills have been turned into a nearly flat plain, and today, a soccer field covers much of the land that used to be the village. The burial mound associated with the village, once at least 12 feet high, is no longer visible as a landform. It takes a great deal of imagination to visualize the world that existed when the village of Monasukapanough was inhabited.
I’m learning stuff everyday…I did not even know there was a burial mound there.
I just found a 1608 map made by infamous John Smith
http://www.vcdh.virginia.edu/lewisandclark/students/projects/monacans/Monasukapanough/jsmap.html
Keep in mind that the bolling family is well known with the Powhatan….
I can never get enough of researching our families….
Hopefully 4 images will not be too bad on loading….
This is where the above link said the village john Smith drew out is……just so happens is one county over from Louisa and orange (both sit on the border)…actually Louisa and Orange may be the place on the map since they are so close.
I’m reading more on the mound and the mound I mentioned above…it’s the same mound I was talking about in another post…..for a minute there I thought there was a 2nd one lol……I really suck at remembering locations….
More stuff.
Throughout the piedmont and mountain regions, thirteen mounds have been identified and many excavated, yielding interesting information about the lives of these First Americans, whose ancestors inhabited this region for more than 10,000 years.
The Monacan lived in villages with palisaded walls, and their homes were dome-shaped structures of bark and reed mats.
The Monacans traded with the Powhatans to the east (may be why Bollings name was found in both Powhatan and the Monacan areas) and the Iroquois to the north. They mined copper, which they wore in necklaces, and which the Powhatans prized greatly. The Monacans also buried their dead in mounds, a tradition that differentiates them from neighboring Indian nations. the Monacan people appeared to want little contact with the English. Between 1607 and 1720, a series of encounters are recorded, and the Monacans gradually moved westward, away from the advancing settlers. Some stayed for several years at Fort Christanna, in Brunswick County….there is our Fort Christana 🙂
some of the Monacan people stayed in Virginia, entrenched in their ancestral home in the mountains, a place that became known as Amherst County. Other members of their confederacy, such as Saponis, Occaneechis, and Tutelos, joined these remaining Monacans, and the Monacan people adopted the few Tuscaroras who chose to remain in Virginia.
http://www.monacannation.com/history.shtml
Go to that site for more info…Karrene wood is a really good researcher.
The Monacan Confederacy, the Tutelo-Saponi Confederacy, and the Catawba Confederacy; these were made up of the same tribes.
The following is an excerpt from my recent research paper for college.
The Saponi, Tutelo, Occaneechi, Nahyssan, Moneton, Monacan, and Manahoac make up the Tutelo linguistic division and Monacan Confederacy of tribes. During the time of colonization, beginning in 1607, most Native American Indians, in the eastern and northern forests, where evolving confederacies to strengthen and share in protection and resources. One key alliance was the Monacan Confederacy. The Monacan tribe held control of the eastern regions’ copper mines. The Powhatan, the Cherokee, and the Erie were dependent upon the Monacan for trade in copper. Powhatan took the opportunity to establish a treaty with the English in order to break the copper monopoly of the Monacans. It is perhaps the only reason that the English were able to establish Jamestown. (Hantman 660-676)
The Catawba are another Siouan linguistic division directly related to the Tutelo division. The Catawba and Monacan were important strategically for the colonies. The Monacan Confederacy was used to buffer the colonies on the north against the Iroquois and was a port of entry to the South. The Catawba held the Southern trade routes of the Occaneechi Trading Path and buffered against the tribes to the south and west, such as the Cherokee and Creek, and helping to confederate other Siouan tribes to act as buffer nations on the early frontier often mustering warriors to attack interior Indians for the colonial government. (Merrell 1-16)
The records from the Colonial Era into the Revolution Era began to take shape in the 1740’s and 50’s. We can pick up certain family groups in the census and land records of the time. The Collins family is one such family that figures into the history of the Saponi. In 1742, Orange county, VA, Saponi men were arrested for utilizing a slash and burn agricultural technique used to clear planting grounds and create meadows for deer and turkey to browse. The charge was made that these Saponi men were terrifying a colonial named Lawrence Strouther. (Orange County, VA 309) Two of the men brought into court were John Collins and John Collins, Jr. It is still controversial in some quarters, however the John Collins in the Orange county court case and the one later in Grayson County, VA, son of Old Thomas Collins and 1st cousin to Vardy Collins of Newman’s Ridge, son of William Collins brother to Old Thomas, are believed to be the same people. DNA testing has proven a male direct line, linking the John Collins and Vardy Collins lines. These are two separate labs scientifically coming to the same results; Relative Genetics: Collins DNA Project and Family Tree DNA: The Core Melungeon DNA Project. (Jeskie and Family Tree DNA) Having traced out all the other John Collins lines in the records of the time, I can only come to the same conclusions.
Holy cow…..this is insane….you have got to check this out………Ok now You’ve probally seen in some of my posts and thru a old newspaper article I posted a few days ago about William collins’ daughter marrying into the Dobbins family……this Dobbins family was the quakers…..well check this out.
http://www.myoutbox.net/ddcv09.htm
Scroll down thru to the part about “Goose creek”.
Ok now ready for this 🙂
However, other Monacan people were disturbed by the arrivals. According to local sources, “as late as 1758 they (Monacans) were to prove so troublesome to the Quakers at Goose Creek (near Bedford) that the settlement had to be abandoned for two years before being reclaimed.” Another source states, “It is quite possible that this can be explained by the Quakers choosing for settlement one of the best known Indian east and west Blue Ridge trail crossings and also their site was near an Indian burying ground of some significance.”
Very interesting indeed.
Good stuff collins……the catawba thing once again comes into play when susannah collins and William dobbins leaves Granville NC (now orange county NC) and goes directly into the heart of Catawba land (York county) and then travel to another Catawba location…rutherford NC. This movement pattern is proved in the SC newspaper article for Drury Dobbins (son of susannah).
You mentioned the Creek indians also….this may be explaine part of the mystry as to why a swarm of Catawba and Saponi nation families headed directly into the heart of Ga’s creek nation (carroll and paulding county) just as soon as Chief Mcintosh ceded creek land….Chief Mcintosh’s home was in Carroll county (his home is a national land mark here). Weird thing is that the descendants of Susannah collins are listed on military records as being part of the removal.
I’m really interested in seeing this photo of drury dobbins that the SC churches have….I found 2 people that had the picture (two preachers) however I could not get a working email for them…they was discussing drury’s photo in a church message board once.
Woah found some more interesting stuff.
The following transcription of William DePriest’s pension application was made by Virginia Greene DePriest in 1974 and verified by LeLa Whisnant in 1999. The latter feels the supporting testimony is by John H. Alley and Drury Dobbins, not John H. Albey and Drury Dobbins as shown in the original transcription.
State of North Carolina
Rutherford County
On this 10th day of September, 1832, personally came and appeared in open court before the Justice of the said Court of Rutherford County now sitting, William DePriest, a resident of the United States i n the County of Rutherford and State of North Carolina, aged 75 years who being first duly sworn and according to law doth as his Oath make the following declaration In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed the 7th of June, 1832.
That he entered the Service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated. That he first enlisted for twelve months under Captain Joseph Martin near the long island of Holstin, I think, in the state of Virginia in the year of 1778. We were stationed at long island of Holstin and at Rye Cove and guarding the Indian lines. Was discharged at the long island. I then became a substitute for three months under Captain James Shelby, I cannot tell the person’s name, I never saw him before or since that I know of. This was a tour against the Cherokee Indians, I went as far as the Chicamoga Towns under the command of Col., Montgomery and returned back from that place with Col., Shelby to the settlement where I left soon after to become a substitute for three months under Capt. Jesse Bean. I do not recollect the name of the person who I was a substitute for, I was at the BattIe of King’s Mountain. We was under Capt. Sevier. I do not recollect that any General Officer was there. After my term was out, I returned to Henry County, state of Virginia. I then enlisted for ten months under Capt. Samuel Martin in a troop of horse belonging to the North Carolina Troop. We was under the command of Col. William Polk. We was at Charlotte, N. C. and Granby, S. C. I was at the Battle at Monk’s Corner, also at the battle of Goose Creek. We was at them places under the command of Gen. Marion. This is the hardest service I performed. We had many scrimages with the British and Tories when they was at any distance from the Main army —we was in pursuit of them when my time expired. I was discharged near Goose Creek, S. C. When I was discharged, this was about the end of the war. I am poor and oald (sic}, not able to toil the earth to support myself and wife, who is also on the decline. I spent the prime of my life in the defense of my country and I hope they will sustain me when I am not able to support myself.
He hereby relinquished every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the Agency of any State whatsoever.
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
William DePriest (His Mark)
We, Drury Dobbins and John H. Alley, Residents of the County of Rutherford an d State of North Carolina, do hereby certify that we are well acquainted with William DePriest, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration. That we believe him to be 75 years of age. That he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where h e resides to have been a Soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that opinion.
Swore to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
J. H. Alley
Drury Dobbins, Sen.
And the said Court do hereby declare this opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary soldier and served as he states and this Court further certifies that it appears to them that Drury Dobbins and John H. Al ley (Ally, Albry), who has assigned the above certificate is credible persons and that their statement is entitled to ______.
I, Thomas F. Hinchitt (?), Clerk of the County Court of Rutherford County, Sate orf North Carolina, do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the Original proceedings in the matter of this application of William DePriest for a pension. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my name and affixed seal of the said Court at office the 10th September A. D. 1832.
T. F. Hinchitt
http://www.lelawhisnant.net/journeysthrutime/id31.htm
Actual document is at that site….plus alittle more info on this “Martin” person and the Indian lines.
You know collins even your Scott surname is being found with the Powhatan surnames and the Catawba surnames also…..York county (heart land of the Catawba) to be exact 🙂
I found this on Drury Dobbins (he is one of my gggg etc uncles).
http://www.ncgenweb.us/cleveland/cemeteries/Sandy_Run_Baptist_Church.txt
thats where he is buried….that is one of the churches that used to have Drury’s photo.
It tells everyone who is buried near him (remember he came out of York county)……suranmes include Jones, Harris, Moore, Shepherd, Turner, Martin, Allen.
Woah big find!!!! Drury Dobbins went to a Indian school!!
Posted By: LISA 
Subject: Re: DobynsDobbins Post Date: October 19, 2000 at 22:08:00 Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/dobyns/messages/20.html Forum: Dobyns Family Genealogy Forum Forum URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/dobyns/ SORRY I JUST SAW YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE OLDFIELDS SCHOOL.THE REV. DRURY DOBBINS FOR CERTAIN SO I ASSUME HIS SIBLINGS ALSO ATTENDED A OLDFIELD SCHOOL.I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE SCHOOL WAS LOCATED BUT THEY WERE GENERALLY SCHOOLS FOR NATIVE AMERICAN CHILDREN.ON ONE OF THE INDIAN ENROLLMENTS I HAVE FOR NANCY DOBBINS IT SAYS HER GGGRANDFATHER WAS RAISED WITH AND CLAIMED THE INDIAN WHEN HIS FAMILY LIVED IN VA.BUT ANY WAY OLDFIELD IS A CHEROKEE WORD.YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE BIO. WRITTEN ON REV. DRURY THE ONE WITH HIS SERMONS IN THE BACK OF THE BOOK.
THANKS,LISA DOBBINS
Thank you for responding.Yes I think maybe richard did change his name for his own reasons.I do come from Daniel I noticed that all the dobyns who stayed in VA kept the spelling the same Dobyns and the others who removed to the Carolinas spell it Dobbins.I have found that the children of Richard went to a oldfields school so maybe that has alot to do with it. Thanks Lisa
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