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I know…not sure where they came up with “it’s a cherokee word”….I did research on it though….they put the words together….it’s “old fields”…..it’s supposed to be in some book about the biography of drury dobbins.
When I look up “old fields” it says it is what people used to call indian land.
the only place Drury would have went to school would have been SC in the Catawba area (york county)….which they did have a reservation in 1760….from 1760-1820 they had 15 miles of reservation land……not sure about a school though. or drury would have went to a school in orange county nc…..or maybe goose creek va. only 3 place I could think of….and if it’s called old fields it would have had to have been a school on indian land….so I’m thinking since he grew up in york county….maybe it was the Catawba reservation (if they had a school).
When I look up “old fields” it says it is what people used to call indian land.
Where are you seeing that?
Separating the two words brings up a bunch of hits on google…GA, WVA, etc. That could be useful.
yea there is one here in Ga…the creeks. the creeks was protesting a freeway or something awhile back because they was saying the freeway was going to over over their sacred land or something.
Here is what wikipedia says.
Indian Old Field, or simply Old Field, was a term used in Colonial American times and up to the early 19th Century United States, by white explorers, surveyors, cartographers and settlers, in reference to land formerly cleared and utilized by Indians for farming or occupation. The term appears in many old maps and land documents, often persisting for many decades. It also remains in a number of present-day place names of the Eastern US.
Pioneer settlers, in applying for their land grants, exhibited a strong preference for sites located along major trails and particularly those coinciding with these Old Fields. Thus, early land survey plats emphasized these features and many place names from New England south to Florida represent vestiges of these places.
A mid-18th Century visitor to the colony of South Carolina noted:
“There are dispersed up and down the country several large Indian old fields, which are lands that have been cleared by the Indians, and now remain just as they left them. There arise in many places fine savannahs, or wide extended plains, which do not produce any trees; these are a kind of natural lawns, and some of them as beautiful as those made by art.
I’m wanting to find where this book is on drury dobbins…I’m interested in finding out if it talks in detail about william collins or william’s wife sally. I’d like to know if it goes more into detail on these “old fields schools”. I still have not got a reply from any of the churches about any info on him…I know several churches have his photo….2 churches I know for a fact used to have his photo hanging up inside the church. one church which was named after him supposedly had his son and grandson both preaching at.
I just found this…kinda interesting.
Index of the Circular Letters of the Broad River Baptist Association (NC)
1821 Drury Dobbins – Important Necessity of the Operation of the Spirit of God upon the Soul
1822 Samuel Gibson – On the grand Utility of Faith to the believing Mind
1875 J. G. Carter – The Final Perseverance of the Saints in Grace
1876 J. R. Jefferies – The Teachings of Christ
1877 John R. Jefferies – The Nature, Design, Qualifications and Duties of Deaconship
http://us.geocities.com/baptist_documents/nc.broad.river.assc.index.html
I found another church but I can’t find a email for..only a phone number.
“Drury Dobbins Baptist Church Parsonage”
3607 Dobbins Church Rd
Ellenboro, NC 28040
Phone : (704) 434-7224
Uncle Dobb Fortune
By Wake Bridges, Forest City Courier – Jan. 3, 1934 It was November 9, 1859. Perhaps the day was cold. Perhaps the day was just a typical cool, biting fall one. Personally I do not know anything about that day in November, but for the fact that it was then that Uncle Dobb Fortune, as he was later known, came into the world. Subsequently he was christened Drury Dobbins, in honor of the great pioneer minister of that name.
That is from a old newspaper article.
http://remembercliffside.com/history/familystories/fortune/fortune_dobb.html
This next one includes the dixon family…..however the website is not working….
::CLEVELAND COUNTY, NC – BIOGRAPHIES – Thomas Dixon, Senior
The man who influenced Thomas Dixon more than any other man in his early years was Rev. Drury Dobbins, whom he regarded as the greatest preacher he ever …::
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/
nc/cleveland/bios/dixon01.txt I was able to find a wikipedia page for the son of the above mentioned Dixon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Dixon,_Jr.
:: Dixon was the son of Thomas Dixon, Sr., a Baptist minister and farmer, and Amanda Elvira McAfee. As a young man, Thomas Sr. had inherited a number of slaves from his first wife’s father. Dixon Sr., while not an abolitionist, did not want to own slaves himself. At one point he was offered US$100,000 for his slaves, but he declined the offer, worried that their new owner might mistreat them.::
That thomas Dixon sr was the son of Ambrose Dixon
http://www.hto-livingston.com/johnlivingstonjr.html
Or william Dixon
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NCCLEVEL/2000-02/0951591093
Here is some intersting stuff…this shows the Dixon family even married into the Collins family. Look at the last name on that family tree.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~appalachianheritage/html/collins_family.html
EDNA NAOMI5 COLLINS (WILLIAM SHERMAN4, GRIFFIN3, GRIFFIN COLLINS2 JR, GRIFFIN COLLINS1 SR) was born October 23, 1901, and died June 01, 1974. She married JOHN DIXON.
Child of EDNA COLLINS and JOHN DIXON is:
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There is a professor in New York by the name of Heriberto Airy Dixon and he is in contact with the Tutelo of the Six Nations. I write him every so often. He has helped the Ohio Saponi in the past.
Ga-Nc Collins wrote: What makes this river unique is its dual personality – it has two names. At both ends it is the Roanoke, but in the middle it is the Staunton. On some maps it is marked as the Roanoke from one end to the other. However, that part of it which flows through South Central Virginia is known locally and on most maps as the Staunton (pronounced Stanton) from the mouth of Back Creek to its confluence with the Dan.
My oldest Nichols ancestor was named STANTON Nichols and was called State for short….coincidence? Me thinks not….so perhaps cousin Richard Carlson was correct when he mentioned Monocan and later Saponi as our native beginnings…food for thought and further delving. (Pardon the onlien rambling) Blessings…great work Joseph *waves*~~~~Laurie
🙂 you remembered my name 🙂
I’m always rambling myself…
I posted ariel photos on these areas in another thread….I found a island that had the center of it cleared out.
I was having trouble finding staunton river because I could not find the name on the map….so I had to google the name and thats where I found out that it was Roanoak river. I’m watching south Park online so I’m going to come back to the forum after I finish watching it.
Ga-Nc Collins wrote:
1753-4 Orange County, North Carloina, Governor Dobbs enumerated a settlement of Saponi Indians, 14 men and 14 women, children not counted. This is very near where in 1755 several Melungeon names are in a tax list. 1752 Granville County 1752 on Buffellow [sic] Creek [a branch of the north fork of the Little River] mentions Thomas Wade –Charles Gibson and William Collins… and Deputy Surveryor, W. Churton. 1761 A 1761 report counted 20 Saponi warriors in the area of Granville County, NC and this corresponds to the “Mulatto, Mustee or Indian” taxation in Granville of such families as Anderson, Jeffries, Davis, Chavis, Going, Bass, Harris, Brewer, Bunch, Griffin, Pettiford, Evans, and others in the 1760’s. Steven Pony Hill 🙂 Hey GA-NC Collins, I have been researching my Davis/Collins family in the Orange/Chatham Co N.C. areas in the mid to late 1700’s. My 6th Grt Grandfather was Rev. Elnathan Davis b. abt 1735 in MD. He moved to Virginia and then to N.C. and this is where he began his ministry. It is said that he began to preach conversion work. He married a Mary Collins in Old Orange/Chatham Co N.C. in 1752. They had the following Children: Elnathan b 1753, Martha b. 1755, Rebecca b. 1756, Hannah b. 1760, Rutha b. 1761, Benjamin b. 1763(My 5th Grt Grandfather), James b. 1765, Nathaniel b. unknown, and Jonathan b. 1771. All of their children are believed to have been born in the Orange/Chatham Co. N.C. area. My 5th Grt Grandfather, Benjamin m. (1) UNKNOWN. This was my 4th Grt Grandfather Benjamin Jr’s mother. Benjamin Sr m. (2) Elizabeth Daniels, 1786 in Chatham Co. N.C. She was born 1769 in Orange/Chatham Co N.C. What I am searching for is, Who were Mary Collins’ parents? Who was Benjamin Sr’s first wife? I know that they lived close to the Collins, Brewers and Daniels, all names related to the Saponi. Do you have any information on the Collins Family in this area at this time? Any information you may have on these families, I would be very grateful if you could forward it to me. I also wanted to mention that I live about an hour Southwest of Atlanta. Thanks Whitehawk.
Whitehawk,
I don’t know if you have seen this before…..
http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/nc.edwards.morgan.notes.html
Saj
saj wrote: Whitehawk,
I don’t know if you have seen this before…..
http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/nc.edwards.morgan.notes.html
Saj
😀 Thanks Saj, I have seen stories about his conversion but I didn’t have all this information. I didn’t know that he was raised on the James River. This gives me another area to research on this side of my family. I still have not been able to find out who Mary’s parents are though. I notice in the text that it mentioned that he came to this part of the Country in 1757 so I’m not sure where Elnation and Mary were married since they were married in 1752. I have found where it is believed that all their children were born in the Orange/Chatham County area, but I’m not for certain though. I have seen a few references of the Davis surname in the Granville County area. This may be another area that I need to research. Thank you very much Saj. This is a great find. Whitehawk:)
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