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You know, I am not at all comfortable with the topic “Other Blackfoot Theory” on this forum, so as co-moderator, I am starting a new one, in hopes that folks will reply to this one and let the other die out. I know Hana wanted a discussion, but it is so hard to say what you really mean via postings that you inadvertantly step on toes that you might never have meant to. We may still have that discussion – this attempt to change the topic may fail or, as I see that the author of that dissertation Brenda posted has used Kennedy as a source, may resurface, but, at this point, I am trying to change the topic here.
Anyway, I propose to resurrect a topic we never finished, that of designing a logo for our group. We did kind of agree on three arrows, correct? How do we propose to arrange these arrows and what colors? What uses do we plan to make of the logo if we finally get one designed? Or did we finally get it designed?
Cindy
Yeah! I was waiting for Tom’s next input. I think I was also waiting for a photo of what I think Linda said reminded her of a swastika. (That swirl design for the shield on the ear rings) And I remember Linda telling me Crazy Crows has a good chart about the beads and Royal Blue, red and white were good colors. I also think I recall a talk something about a t-shirt. If these exist I would really love to get one, probably more later. I know my brother would want one as well. But, yeah, I saved my last e-mail message on “the three arrows” because I knew we still had somewhere to go with that and I wanted to be able to just click on it and roll! Tom’s putting the arrows in the basket, isn’t he, Linda? I was thinking he was anyway! If we’re gonna’ move this talk to here then I can clean up my e-mail and delete some of those old posts I saved. That’s good, my computer really needs to be de-fragged and cleaned up. Yeah! Where’s Tom?:D We need his input here. Lynella.
Hmmmmm. You know, I was thinking that swirl pattern being a continuation of life symbol and that I wanted to use that for the shield on the ear rings, symbolic of OUR PEOPLE and we are here, continuing and coming back stronger than ever. What if, I’ll have to re work the plan a bit, but what if I made the swirl out of three arrows, instead of the design than reminded you of the swastika pattern, Linda. because, if I recall right, you were kind of squeemish on that design anyway. Am I right? What do you guys think? Lynella.:)
Linda,
Dang, this is fun! The next best thing to being there! I can see why, on the metal one, how it resembles a swastika. I saved it off so I can stare at it. The beaded one is beautiful, but it reminds me more of a pinwheel. Beautiful though. Who did that? They do fabulous work. So, what do you think? Techteach? Tom? Anyone else? Love & light, Lynella.;) P.S. Thank You, by the way Linda.
Linda:
Is the black and white picture from the excavations that occurred in the appropriate areas? I go for as authentic as possible.
However, some of the discussion on the arrows dealt with the symbolism of the group’s acceptance of anyone with roots in Siouan culture regardless of their accepted ethnicity today. There was some discussion of joining those arrows also, wasn’t there?
I am not sure what can be worked into what you are working on though, Lynella. I have done some craftwork myself but not in this area.
Deb and I both had ancestors who were known as “The Fox.” These ancestors were sons of the grandmothers we had who were known as Blackfoot. I always wondered if that would serve as a clue to who the Blackfoot from the east were. Once I went looking for different tribes’ clan names and found the Mingo had a clan known as Fox. I found a fox bead at a reenactors camp here last year. I had some idea of building that into something for myself.
A little too busy to do anything right now though.
Cindy
The gorget was found at Gaston, NC at a site attributed to the Occoneechee. I did the beadwork myself, adapted from a whirlwind pattern from out west. Don’t remember the tribe offhand. I think it’s likely significant there are six spokes to the whirlwind. There are more here than the one I adapted it from.
I would thing the colors would be obvious if we wish to truly represent the triracial nature of the 7th generation of our ancesters.
My flag staff has bands of red, black, and white duct tape. From the eagle atop the staff hang 3 feathers….. 1 is white, 1 is red, 1 is black….. they all have red shafts and are hanging from braided strands of red, black and white leather. All the beadwork is also of red, black and white beads. I fly my flag for all my neighbors to see the truth, if they will.
Lynella,
Here is a link to “Excavating Occaneechi Town”…
http://www.ibiblio.org/rla/dig/html/index.html
If you click on “Artifacts”, and then on “Shell Ornaments”, it gives descriptions of pendants, beads, wampum, etc. And, then if you go to “List of Figures”, it has pictures of what they are talking about.
Stacey
Was poking around the net looking for a site with several gorgets that I found during the first discussion of deisgns. Found a web site describing the dress of southeast native women at first contact time. It said that the native women wore pearls. Can we fit those in the design? :D:D
Cindy
Hey Guys,
WOW! Inindated with info here. This is awsome! Now where’s Tom! Linda, your beadwork is absolutely beautiful! I mean it, you are very good! Better than me! You sure you don’t want to do this? Black, red and white is a good idea too. Thank you for those links, I will use them probably later on. I gotta’ run to the bank real quick and go back to the pharmacy. Techteach, I love pearls, but I’m not sure….well, I was going to put some strands of beads hanging down from the shield part of the earings. Perhaps I could work them in there. Let’s see what everyone else thinks. I want them to really represent us, but I don’t want them to be too, Gawdy. I think they may work in the strands though. What do you think, Linda? Love & Light to All of you, Lynella.;)
Hello Everyone, well for what it’s worth here’s my input.
First we have to decide on what item it is we are designing, what media, beads, silver, copper etc.
In the design, we need to look for the answer in the old culture.
Tech posted some info on ceremonies etc that listed 3 arrows being shot skyward; we know 3 arrows are signify the eastern Souians, US.
In the adoption ceremonies the Old Ones said that the use of wampum is incredibly important, the purple was hung on the north wall and white hung in the south wall, this is verticle., place on a horizontal plain and the circle is split in two.
keep in mind that the Quohog shell where wampum originates carries these 2 colors, what this shell meant for our folks isn’t to hard to figure out, a rebirth from the under world giving ( a place of no order [atleast to us] ) itself for the communion (existence) of the Yesah, pretty powerful I’d say. The purple could represent either the unknown etc and the white day, light etc, a place of order.
The creation as we know has three levels that we address each day wether we realize it or not (our reality), the skyland , the night land and the Great Beyond.
Three arrows, three levels, 2 outside colors, the white could be a pearl tone, the purple, any tone, I’d say that the arrows could be copper coloured, these elements could be “employed” as needed.
If this was done in a circle the the three concenteric circles could be off set at the horizon points , the top have circle changing to white on the bottom and the white changing to purple.
For the Ladies if this is a medallion it could be suspended form a strand of pearls.
So far that’s my input!
I hope all is well for everyone.
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