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Tom,
How are you? Good to get your input on all this we need it. You make it all sound so, easy! Is there any way you could sort of maybe make a sketch and mail it to me or something so I get a good idea of what you’re seeing in your minds eye? If you can, It’s: Lynella Raymond
P.O. Box 1195
Bailey, CO. 80421
or e-mail lynellarainhawk@yahoo.com
I do like the idea of the wampum colors. I think thats great and copper arrows sounds good too. I need more input now from Linda and Techteach and Vance and all. Thank you so much for the info too. It makes me want to go dance around the fire. 😀
Love & Light, Lynella.
Vance,
😀 You have an incredible way of making me hungry! What’s up with that? Love & light, Lynella.;)
Lynella:
I was kidding about the pearls. That is why I put two smiling faces there. However, I did find a site that talked about the Southeastern native women wearing pearls. I have a neat pair of earrings made by a Lakota woman made from quills. off-white, and pearl-finished beads, I always get compliments when I wear them.
Should have looked at more pearls when I was in China though. Picked up earrings and one strand but was uncomfortable in the pearl market, so I did not stay there long. I normally wear stuff that if I lose it, I can just say, “Darn,” and find another pair or necklace that does not cost too much.
But I was teasing when I posted that comment earlier. Pearls are not usually my style.
Techteach
Oh!
😀 I was having so much fun I guess I didn’t see those! I thought you were serious, so hey, thought I’d try to fit em’ in!! I still think Linda should do these. Her work is really beautiful. Even though Vance thinks they’re good enough to eat!;) I could see that! Actually, I just got the visual!! Yep, we must be related, cause’ I’d eat anything that looked like candy!
You’re like me. I wear the same types of jewelry. Ah, darn the clasp fell off! “Why are you staring at me? Do I need to blow my nose? Huh? Oh,…..” Hand flies to ear. “Well, I’ll be! Yep, You’re right. One earlobe is hanging lower than the other one. You’ll have that!”
Thank you so very much Cindy. I think you’re so wonderful! Love & Light, Lynella.:)
Hello everyone, lets back up and look at this from the begining, we need to define the arrow configuration , the background colours and the shape of the article to carry the insignia.
Perhaps we need to list a set of colour arrangments, arrow configurations , background forms and then take it from there.
We could do it by consensus or just ask LInda and Family to do it and make the choice of accepting her ideas or alteast following a “rule of thumb” for lack of a better term.
All the best.
TOM!
How are ya’? All your ideas are great. However Linda wants to do it is fine with me. I still think, for beadwork ear rings She would be the best beader. I mean that sincerely. Her work is beautiful. I was originally talking about a pair of earings, a basic shield design approximately 1 1/4 inches in diameter to hang from the ear wire so it dangles. From the shield have Tassles that hang down off the shield maybe 5 of them, but I think it should be a number with purpose, meaning to us. Have these tassles start The first one approx. 1 1/2 inches the next a little longer, the third a little longer, etc. then progressively go back to the 1 1/2 inch length. So it would look like…..One of these smiley faces with a pointed beard! But, of coarse, no smiley face. The shield design I was thinking the swirl signifying the continuation of life. To signify that we ARE and ALWAYS WILL BE. Then you guys were talking about the arrows and I got to thinking, perhaps the swirl could be made of 3 arrows. Another thought was perhaps the tassles could be the 3 arrows and put something else on the shield part. I loved your idea of the wampum colors. Something like the shade of the purple wampum for the shield and a single row of decorative white around the outer edge with thw Arrows being copper colored. The tassles, if they aren’t the arrows themselves, the same purple wampum color with decorative white on the ends. BUT, that’s just my brain. I want to hear from everyone else what they want or think or just leave it up to Linda and if she wants to leave it up to you then cool:cool: SO, I AGREE WITH YOU!:D Love & Light, Lynella.
And now,
I think I just hurt myself. The phone rang and I ran to get it before the answering machine picked up. As I darted into the kitchen, turning the corner from the hallway, I BIFFED IT BIG TIME! landed on my right knee, I had put my left arm out to catch myself by grabbing the fridge-nope, I pulled something in there, feels like a sprain in my shoulder and only my middle finger works, and my back went out right in the middle. I AM SUCH A CLUTS? CLUTZ? Well, as you can see my brain doesn’t work either. Atleast I can use this finger when Glenn gets home to tell him thank you for calling when I was at the other end of the house….. 😀 I have the flu so I wasn’t real with it anyway! I guess I’ll go throw my back against the doorframe and see if I can make it pop. It’s not the first time, far from my heart, so it won’t kill me. I was going to say again, I really think Linda’s beadwork would be much lovelyer than mine. And suggest also that we diside on a design that we can incorporate on T-shirts, mugs, hair clips, hat bands, etc. Love & Light, Lynella.;)
I really don’t have much input. The color “black” might be good to use since the people were called “Blackfoot”. But beyond that I’m useless.
vance
Hey Vance I was waiting for you to reply, you know you don’t need an invitiation to post, I would like to hear what you think about this,.
Tom, here are my thoughts.
I wanna know the significance of the 3 arrows. I don’t think that any Indians east of the Appalachians ever used bow and arrow after about the year 1700. Is that right?
First, my idea of these people stems from those that fled to the Appalachians about 1770s to the 1790s. They’d have been Christian and most mixed blood. They’d have been hunters, blacksmiths, miners, traders and farmers. They could repair a broken wagon wheel, or build a simple raft to go down stream in a couple of hours. If hungry they could kill a cotton tail in half an hour and have it skinned and boiling in a pot a half hour after that. It’d take the same time to catch a couple of catfish for dinner.
Were this my baby, I’d have a picture of a man and a woman. The man would have a tomahawk (for firewood) and knife (for skinning and preparing food mostly) around his waiste and be carryin’ one of those Kentucky long rifles (to shoot dinner) that were so famous. He’s be mixed blood, and also be carrying a a skinned cottontal with a couple of catfish around his waiste or slung over his shoulder. The woman near him would be carrying a homemade bark basket that would have some corn and summer crooked necked yellow squash in it. Maybe some seasonal blackberries or nuts of some sort. And a dog would warn them of anyone sneeking up on them — have to have a dog with them.
Clothing would be same as what everyone else wore on the frontier.
vance
Vance,
That gave me a vision of the Mountain Man Rendezvous they have up here in South Park every summer. I think it’s a lovely picture. I guess I never thought about it in such depth as you have. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Love & Light, Lynella.
Hey Vance well you are right, our folks probably got caught up really early.
It’s hard to know what the three arrow are getting at, but I think that it’s safe to go with it. When the bow died out not sure maybe some where some of our mountain folks still used them until pretty late.
SO much more research needs to be done , we may never have all of the answers in our life times. But this is a really good start.
Thanks for your post.
Lynella, I really only thought of that after Tom asked for my opinion. But I was thinking of some of the seals of the socalled “Five Civilized tribes”.
I was thinking an Indians that managed to survive East of the Appalachians were the “original” socalled “Civilized Indians”. Their only options were i.] be absorbed into a still thriving tribe, ii.] be absorbed into White culture, or iii.] be exterminated. I think our ancestors are mostly from those that chose (actually were forced to choose) assimilation, but kept memories of an earlier time in their family stories, and often lived in regions of the country where you would find both Whites and Indians, with themselves being able to go back and forth between the 2 communities at will, but never fitting into either completely.
I don’t know anything about these “mountain men” — but perhaps an earlier Eastern, woodland, mixed-blood version of them is the earliest discovery of some of our ancestors that we will ever be able to successfully document.
vance
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