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Techteach,
Well, that kind of seals it doesn’t it, that there is something Indian happening here.
Peace,
Nadia
Techteach,
I can’t find the picture of Mary Lovina Potter, but I sure found a lot of other info in the process of looking. Enough to make your head swim.
Peace,
Nadia
Nadia:
Potter is a Cherokee surname too. If I recall correctly, that is the name of the chief immediately after the Trail of Tears.
My Potter was in eastern VA but I find the surname around my Sinkeys in PA also. He fought in the Revolution and was supposed to have come from England, but I am not sure of this. It is not verified. He’s a bit of a mystery, even though the DAR recognizes him. I found that he comes to IA where my folks ended up very early. I ran across a primary source that mentions a traveling preacher meeting him in the early 1800s in Iowa. He marries a Sinkey, daughter of a Green. The Sinkeys were from PA, while the Greens were from WVA. Noticable Indian in the pix of the Sinkeys and Greens.
Techteach
Techteach,
Would it be possible to email the pic of Mary Lovina Potter? I can’t find it using the search funtion.
Thanks,
Nadia
Nadia,
Welcome!
And if you search for potter, then go to page 2 then go to my Aunt Regina post by Linda, that’s where the pictures are.
Sue J
Thanks, Sue. I could not find Mary myself when I tried. She was born in Iowa, but her mother was born in Ohio and her grandfather (maybe ggrandfather) in PA. Her grandfather would be the William Sinkey on the Bedford County, PA, Rev. War muster list with the Bucks.
Techteach
Well how can I say this, Ngraham, to me you look just like many of the status Indian people that I went to school with, to me you are a native person!
there’s some really great stuff here, and it time it will get a lot better, great to have you here.!
Thanks Tom. I feel it, but would really like to know for sure. I also want to know, so I can learn more of the specific cultural and historical info that I should know if I am a descendant.
I have a feeling though that this mystery may stay canned. I thought my best bet was with the Six Nations people, who still have a lot of Buck families. It seemed promising at first with my communications, but it has been quite some time now, so they may have nothing to share. At least, I have a home on this forum. On this weird plane of the internet. So I’ll just have to be an internet Indian for now hahhaha.
Peace,
Nadia who wishes she went to school with people who looked like her….would have been a lot easier!
I think I found Salomon/Solomon Buck’s daughter, Alvira/Elvira Buck. I found the following little blurb on a Haw Creek, Knox County, Ill site (this is a place where Natives used to come for a special clay used in their pottery and for mussels they used for spoons):
AARON B. BROWN. He is a farmer, and was born in Cortland County NY on 18 Dec 1831. His parents were William and Eunice (Kinney) Brown. They were both born in New York State. He was educated in the common schools. His parents moved west to Cook County, IL, in Oct 1843, thence to Knox County in 1853. He settled in Oneida Twp., and has held the offices of School Director and Justice of the Peace for a number of years. On 8 Oct 1854, he married Alvira Buck, formerly of Jefferson, NY. They have one son. He has been a member of the Universalist Church for ten years and is a Trustee. Post Office, Oneida.
Here is the 1880 census data from LDS:
Household Record 1880 United States Census
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Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father’s Birthplace Mother’s Birthplace
Aaron B. BROWN Self M Male W 48 NY Farmer NY NY
Alvira BROWN Wife M Female W 48 NY Keeping House NY NY
Albert E. BROWN Son S Male W 20 IL At Home NY NY
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Source Information:
Census Place Copley, Knox, Illinois
I also found a Scott and Buck family living side by side in Haw Creek in 1880:
Charles M. SCOTT Self M Male W 38 IL Farmer And School Teacher OH IN
Carioline M. SCOTT Wife M Female W 35 PA Keeping House PA PA
Dileska SCOTT Dau S Female W 7 IL IL PA
Fred E. SCOTT Son S Male W 3 IL IL PA
Margaret RUSH MotherL D Female W 64 PA PA PA
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Source Information:
Census Place Haw Creek, Knox, Illinois
Household Record 1880 United States Census
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Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father’s Birthplace Mother’s Birthplace
Thomas A. BUCK Self M Male W 48 PA Farmer US US
Mary BUCK Wife M Female W 45 OH Keeping House OH OH
Edgar L. BUCK Son S Male W 23 OH Works On Farm PA OH
James O. BUCK Son S Male W 20 OH Works On Farm PA OH
Thomas E. BUCK Son S Male W 16 OH Works On Farm PA OH
Rachel M. BUCK Dau S Female W 12 OH PA OH
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Source Information:
Census Place Haw Creek, Knox, Illinois
Anyone know anything about Haw Creek, Ill or these families?
Thanks,
Nadia Graham
I found this on Haw Creek Native history:
http://web.winco.net/~maquon/page2b.html
Also, in Copley, which is where Aaron Brown owned some property (also Knox County) there is a Wm. Griffith right near the Brown property and it made me wonder if it were any relation to the teacher that was admired or one of his Native students:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilknox/maps/plat_copley.htm
Copley is not far from Haw Creek.
Where to begin? Well, I’ve discovered some new relatives (with Bill Child’s help of course) that can be traced back to a family in VA with a son Powhatan Lunsford. So here’s another trace to probable Native ancestry from the Virginia area. Another discovery was that my gr-gr-grandfather’s first wife’s name was Marjory Mehitable Glazier. This family heralds from MA (Shrewsbury) and ends up in Fowler, NY. Marjory’s brother was discovered to be an author and soldier/hero/prisoner of the civil war (union side). I’ve read a book about him now and skimmed a book that he wrote…trying to get more. It is questionable whether this Glazier family may be part Native, but if not, they seem to be open to Native friendships etc. in the Mohawk Valley and elsewhere.
Next, we have a family married into the Buck line (head Peter Wilkenson) with a son Edward. There is a known line of the Wilkenson clan that is of Cherokee descent and the name Edward is prominent here. I know Peter dies in Denver, CO (1901)with two daughters (1890’s), but can’t find his wife (my gr-gr-aunt). It seems Edward stayed in the area.
I’ve discovered that my gr-gr-grandfather, Madison died at 53 in Wausau, WI and I’m in possession of his obituary and probate records. His daughter from his first marriage to Marjory was Mary F. Buck and she is discovered to be in Florida after Madison dies in 1890, however, we have no idea whether she married or had children and she can not be traced further than the fact that she was living with Madison late into the 1880’s.
We find that Madison’s second wife, Helena Victoria Haskell/Hascall left Madison prior to his death in 1886 for unknown reasons, goes to California with three of her children and remarries John C. Franklin in 1892. I have Helena’s and John’s obituaries which are confusing since they only mention some of Helena’s children, neglecting my gr-grandfather, Harry Madison Buck, who was left behind with Madison’s sister in Iliinois when she left to California, in both obituaries.
I have discovered the obituary of my gr-grandfather, Harry’s brother, Wallace’s son (only child of Wallace and Gladys May Bailey of Oregon who can’t be traced-Gladys I mean), George Madison Buck’s (of Monterey Peninsula) obituary. He left a daughter (no mention of a wife) Jeannette Moore of Morgan Hill, CA and three grandchildren (have had no luck discovering her mother or these descendents).
So, I basically find myself dead ended. I know that there were marriages into the Buck line that were Native in ethnicity but can not tie the Buck’s or my other direct lines (Scott and Smith) to known Native families.
Most intriguing is why the family ends up in Rogers, Arkansas. There is another Buck family here prior to them….Henderson Buck (from a Tenessee line of Buck’s). You can find families here that seem Native in origin. I don’t know if they’re related, but I can’t think of any other reason why my Buck family is in Rogers.
It also seems there is a Buck connection with the Brown family (Myron and Hannah live with the Glazier’s and can be traced to some Day relations). I also have a Brown/Buck marriage…Aaron and Elvira/Alvira Buck….d.o. Solomon Buck (Madison’s father, my gr-gr-gr-grandfather). I am wondering whether there was a connection with Solomon and one of the several generation of Elvira Glaziers prior to his marriage to Mary Beach Parsons, since his daughter, Elvira (not a first name known in the Buck line) was born two years prior to his marriage to Mary.
I also am left with the mystery of what happened to Jessie O. Buck, supposed daughter of Solomon born in 1867 (but couldn’t have been Mary’s daughter since she was in her 50’s when Jessie was born) and can be placed in Rogers at one point (photo evidence) and seems very connected with Martha (other photos taken with Martha and possibly Mary Buck…portrait-like all three together), Madison’s sister (there is also a Martha that is Harry’s sister….next gen).
So this is just a shout out to Saponitown! Not sure if I have everything here but this is where I am. It may be the end of the line I don’t know. It seems your at the end of the line and then something pops up….so who knows. If I am at the end though, one thing is for sure…I will give a shout every once in awhile and be hopeful that in spirit, at least, I am truly connected to all you nice folks.
Peace to you all…..Nadia
Just had word that Eliza Jo Perrin, who married the brother (James) of my gr-gr grandmother, Julia Smith, from Warren County, KY was of known Cherokee descent. James married Eliza Jo in Logan County, KY. Anyone know anything about that area?
Anyway, that’s more evidence of Native marriage into this Smith family, but still no direct evidence on my Smith line that dead-ends in VA with Joseph Smith.
I have posted what I know about my Buck line on a tree that was begun by Mscheffler on rootsweb. Go to rootsweb home page and plug in Madison Buck. Go to World Connect, scroll down first page until you find Elizabeth Madison Buck (or Harry Madison Buck) and enter there.
There is also a tree developed by Richard Haskell on here that has some good info about my Haskell line. I am unsure that he is spelling my ancestor’s last name correctly though since he seems to prefer Hascall for some reason. I know that Helena (my gr-gr grandmother who was the second wife of Madison Hun Buck) spelled it differently on certain documents and that some of her brothers spelled it Hascall, but that her father spelled it Haskell (exclusively I believe). Anyway, there seems to be some Haskell snubbery (possibly) of those Haskells that spelled it Hascall. Hahaha. So, I could be from an outlaw Haskell/Hascall faction. My Haskell/Hascall line is intermarried with some Folsoms, but apparently not the Choctaw line.
I know the person who is related to James Smith (my distant cousin) says that they (James and Eliza) moved to Indian Territory and that her (my distant cousin’s) children have tried unsuccessfully to get tribal membership in Oklahoma, where James and Eliza also show up. This Smith Family is mentioned in a book called, Cherokee by Blood Vol. 1. The descendant with this info is sending me further info. If anyone can help with the Perrin name, Logan County or anything about my Smith family I would certainly be appreciative. I’m pretty sure Yoda (Bill Childs) is looking into it, but I thought it wouldn’t hurt to give a shout to the forum as well.
Thinking of Saponitown and peace to you always, Nadia
Well this is a first, a nick name for a member………. I think it’s really funny that you would call Bill, “Yoda”…..
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