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I meant to email that pattern to you two. Did I forget? I’d need to ask permission to put it up here. Or you could sign onto the NativeList yahoogroup.
Re-enactors can be quite a resource for this sort of thing, though of course, they don’t “do” our people, since there is the “public nudity” issue, hahaha. But I do recommend joining and browsing their files and joining in the conversation.
I hope you can find some pocoon root, Itconani. (I was just going to shorten that to IT, but you might think I took you for part of the Adams family).
A few days ago I smacked the back of my head onto a floor that had just shapeshifted into concrete just for me and I have been free associating ever since. No short term memory to speak of for the next week or two, but everything’s making me giggle.
Last night I saw a show on “How to Make a Mummy” and this spritely super nerd showed how to put a long nail into a cadaver’s nose, pound on it with a big block until you poke a whole in the skull, then you take a coat hanger and swirl around inside until everything turns liquid. Then all you have to do is turn the cadaver over and his brains will pour out of his nose. I don’t think I’ll ever forget that show.
Anyway, about the pocoon root. I figure this summer at our campout, when we’re all in swimsuits all day anyway, we should find out if that stuff really works as a mosquito repellant. Didn’t Lawson say they went to get the good stuff from the Cherokee? We got the whole book linked on the front page.
I also have some black henna that’s meant to be used for temporary tattoos. I’d like to try out some of those nifty anklet patterns White documented.
Now what was I supposed to do next . . .
Hello All well now that mummy stuff sounds like a Cree indian dinner in the north woods of Alberta, I’m not kidding!
About the puccoon or blood root I beleive that the Scheile museum in Nc there some where used to supply basket makers from Cherokee with it. I beleive that the fellows name was Steve Watts.
The rabbit skin cloaks are a real pain to keep over time because they eill shed when they start to fall apart, personally you couldn’t give me one, I would bet that squirrel would be much better. The best way to do this furry twinning is to get a tanned tubed pelt and from the nose start to cut in a spiral motion all the way down to the bottom,the after yo have about 12 os so done you have to sew the ends together and then wrap this lenght of fur strips around a length of old cloth just like the srips used to make rag rugs, you do not have to sew them to the rag just use it as a base. The twinning method used is just like the way a dream catcher is made, use a small frame and make sure that you have a salvage edge made of rags..that is a square frame of rag inside the frame of the loom the square of rag will become apart of the “fabric” that you finish.
Re the moccasin patterns,I have some pic’s to share one of these days, Linda did you get the article on the little skirts that I sent to you earlier? by the way I do hope that you get better soon, take care of yourself, best to all Tom
Yes, I got a package from you with photos. I better write myself a note to get those scanned in. Sorry I didn’t let you know I got it.
hey all –
made those copies, tom you should be gettin those next week.
i hadnt thought about steve watts – thanks for that input, he probably does have a supply for puccoon or seed or something. he is a REALLY resourceful fellow – ive studied under one of his teachers.
the root doesnt keep the bugs away – the medium to spread the pigment onto the body does though – bear grease. let me know if anyone needs a dab….
Do you know how to reach Steve Watts? I’ve had people mention him to me before but I haven’t tracked him down yet.
Linda the last that I heard of Steve Watts he was at the Scheile museum in your state call directory assistance or your local Museum for the location of this museum, Tom
hes there alright –
he was wanted for teaching a class at that conference i went to last month on pottery.
he had a schedual conflict, to bad. Linda – call scheiles, its in Gastonia NC. i dont know him, but i know enough of him via Callahan in VA. hes founding member of several aboriginal skills groups, and he knows his stuff – like crazy knows it.
So did anyone come up with a style for the mocs other than they have a center seem. the 3 arrow thing seemed to drop off. Are there any symbols that people are wanting to carry on their regalia to show the Saponi Ancestry?
Definetly curious I have just regular old mocs for my regalia and was going to leave them unbeaded unless anybody has an idea. any suggestions?
No, we never did resolve anything on those issues. I had already put the three arrow configuration, staggered pointing left on three or four outfits, then Grey Wolf in an email told me that in their experience, each band in the tribe would have one arrow, making up a total of three, something like that, so I’ve been in a paroxysm of indecision on that.
I think it will take us awhile to develop some conventions. There just isn’t any “authority” on these traditions. Itconani, I’d be very interested in your re-interpretation of the Sauro woman’s clothing. I called the museum to see if I could get pictures. They are supposed to exist, but nobody called me back, and I haven’t followed up. I would really like to come up with a working theory on how to do a regalia inspired by that.
Can someone suggest a structure that will help us arrive at some agreed upon conventions? Or maybe we need no structure. Just everybody get creative and do what they can with the best info on hand and then if folks like it they’ll adapt the style, if not, they won’t.
I don’t know, what sounds best? Definitely something I want to play with at the campout. With shorts or bathing suits underneath, we can get as authentic as we want.
Linda where did the 3 Arrows come from and What do they mean? I saw the beaded piece on the grass dance regalia it reminds me of a baby bird… or a snake even. Also I saw on one of the other Saponi sites that links from this one, they have a picture of a man Tattooed from head to toe was that also common of the Saponi people and if so what about adopting some of those symbols in to regalia any Ideas?
The beaded piece was traced from a photo of a gorget found in a Cheraw children’s burial. It’s a rattlesnake motif.
There’s a large tome by Swanton? or Mooney? about SE Indian dress in which I read something about the Piedmont Siouan not having tattoos, which was disappointing news I’m hoping to see contradicted.
I got the rattlesnake motif by perusing these archeological reports. http://rla.unc.edu/Publications/Res_reports.html I’ve looked at 1, 2, 3 and 6. Problem is they’re huge PDF files. I’ve found it easier to deal with by downloading them overnight so they come up quickly from my hard drive. I haven’t had time to get any further with that. If anybody else wants to dig in, be my guest. I’ve got a screen capture feature in my paint program that comes in handy for capturing those images. If you find something and you can’t get the image, let me know where it is and I’ll grab it for you.
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Hi Linda also if it would help, I have a whole Graphics department where I work my friend get images for me all the time if I ask, so I can help trying to get those images too let me know if you see anything, the computers here hold alot of artwork and have the capability to get images quickly. I am going to check that link out shortly.
Ok I tried to go to it it said page not found.
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