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Hello All,yes you should use this pattern and make it your own!
The last line means that in this case what we see and have that is not from our own time (an archaeological specimen) we take an artistic liscence to interpret what we are seeing, but we are of this time not when the article was made, so we have to re-interpret what the image may be saying, bearing in mind all that we know about it, since we do not have the exojesus of the time we should (do our research)and try to be well informed about the objects that we are looking at prior to our interpretations of the materials which will obviously differ from what the original meaning was.
If I were to reinterpret this pattern it would have a great deal to “say”, but in short here goes; first there is six divisions ,were there 6 original Saponi or eastern souian towns or divisions?; the seven dots on the outside of each division relates to several issues one being the calendar of the year, the current 4 seasons were originally 13, they were divided by a solar and lunar equinox that had six seasons on either side but after 7 years you have to add in a 7th “day” to balance the lunar equinox with the solar equinox. Also there is the balance within ourselves; the self, the same, the other, and the all,just like the world; it is the self,the sky land is the same,the other is the night land and the all is the great beyond. You can apply all of this to your family community, larger group etc. The ceremonial smudges for fastings are the self (closest to you), the middle fire is for your family and the 3rd fire is the “Nations fire”; 3 dots! Also notice that the three dots in each of the six divisions help create 3 concenertic circles around a centeral point.
Iam sure that there’s a great deal more that could be figured in, in this design., but look carefully and contemplate all that you consider. Well I think that this is all for now,I hope this gets posted. Best to All Tom.
You’re right, most of the sections are in series of seven, the spokes, and the outside rim sections. I wasn’t paying any attention to that when I traced it, and the gorget wasn’t in very good shape. I may have altered those counts. We’ll have to look into that.
Yes, I have seen those circles too. I see alot going on in these designs, and based on some of the information I have read about, common elements are retained from not only the general southeastern ceremonial complex but the Mound Building peoples as well. The main thing you discussed regarding the cycles of the lunar and solar cycles is right on as well. We must all remember that our people relied on the seasons and the signs there in to live and know when to go do what was needed to maintain their way of life. Bila huk oho!
Hello All thank you for your replies! I have learned a great deal from all sources some more than others ofcourse, but let me say this, the spirit that lives in us all as a part of humanity speaks to us every day, you just have to “listen” to the world around you.
While visiting with a friend we had this arguement that the human condition that we recognize as art is based on math, and this concept is at the fundementals of human thought,to consider esthetics is really part of human thought.
So when you go about making something beautiful you have to measure either by sight or with a device.Look around you for all that is beautiful and you will never be bored.
Happy Easter to every one ,Tom.
I know this thread started discussing mocs, but it has some good info on the different gorget designs too.
hello all,the piegan tribe has a symbol on their mocs with 3 lines representing the 3 tribes that made their nation.
I am new and learning my way around the Forum…The gorget design reminds me of an old pie safe that my Mother had….the front had metal inserts on the doors and a design punched into the metal…I know you have seen these…Looks like a decoration, maybe not…..Linda, I read that someone has a cd about Occaneechi Town…Is it still possible to get a copy of this, or other info..I am interested in their shelters/houses…what do they look like and what are they made of…I hope to build one….also, interested in their town/camp…what it looks like, etc…..
I read that someone has a cd about Occaneechi Town…Is it still possible to get a copy of this, or other info
Hi Eagle Eye. Welcome. Here ya go:
http://www.ibiblio.org/uncpress/occaneechi/
There are also a few photos of the reconstructed village on the OBSN site:
http://www.occaneechi-saponi.org/current_events.html
Hi Beeleaf….thanks for the info you sent…was able to get color pictures of the Occaneechi Houses/Huts and other info I was wondering about…Also, went on to the OBSN site and found several people with surname Hayes…In fact, the Tribal Chairman/Chief is a Hayes…My Grandmother was a Indian/Hayes and I am researching that surname….Thank you again….EagleEye/Carl…..Happy Hunting….
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