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I have alway found this story a little unbelievable.
http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-ae/1762.htm
Another version “Good Quaker Version” He was thrown out of the church several times. LOL
http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/stories/biograph/biog-ae/9011.htm
I have to wonder if the Coppock line is part Indian???
Would be interested to learn more about these stories. The links on this post are all broken at this point.
I assume this is the same Vivian Markley who started the ‘Tribes, Clans and Quakers’ blog:
If anyone knows the stories this is referring to please post it here.
Thanks!
This story is tied to Ohio Coppock ancestors in my tree:
“One winter the roads had been almost impassable and grocery supplies could not be had even in Dayton. He hitched a horse to a sled and went to Cincinnati for a barrel of salt. A very heavy snow fell and he was absent nearly two weeks.
“The weather was very severe, and an old Indian, by name Amokee, came to the house with his gun reversed on his shoulder to show that he meant no harm. He wanted something to eat. Grandmother told him the situation that her husband was gone, and that they had nothing to eat in the way of meats, as there was no salt, and they had not butchered. She baked him a corn pone, and he ate heartily and left. In the evening he returned, dragging the bind part of a deer that his trusty rifle had slain, and said, it was bad that her little papooses did not have any meat. He remained with them until in the spring and then departed as he came. The Amokee Lodge of Red Men, of Covington, was named after this Indian.”
– Quote taken from a biographical sketch of Nathan Hill in 1909 History of Miami County by Thomas Harbaugh
Vivian Markley;15242 wrote:
I have to wonder if the Coppock line is part Indian???
DNA seems to be indicating this as well. I’ve been able to triangulate a match between people with shared Coppock ancestors from Newberry SC with Clovis Anzick sample.
There was a Coppock at the Carlisle Indian School as well – Benjamin S Coppock – Cheyenne.
I just saw that a lot of those bio links are now broken. I will check with my cousin at the library and see if they can find out what is wrong. Until them, I think this is one of the stories
http://mv.ancestry.com/viewer/9331e34c-cb98-4795-8579-469f1ed5cd71/56137113/36018162410
the 9011
Exactly how much of this is accurate I do not know but it looks like a good resource for finding leads that seem to have sources so should be able to be verified.
I checked my Clovis database and have not entered anyone who is a Coppock unless I was not aware that they were a Coppock. They finally have the search gedcom feature back on Gedmatch so now it is easier to find people that descend with trees when I want a specific surname and location.
I have always struggled with the idea that there was ” Indian troubles” in a location and a group moves to some other area and then settle in areas that are know to be Indian lands. From Frederick Va down to Bush River which is Newberry and disctrict 96 and then up to Ohio to live on the Stillwater River in the middle of Shawnee county.
I just found this in a cousins’s tree. My Jennie Seborn/Sebring married Owen Cottrell is a twin sister of her Lida Seborn/Sebring married Masterson…so it boils down to a Blevins line but she had Cherokee in her dna file and when I looked it up here it is. I have done nothing to it but I have always thought the Martha Lester being stolen by the indians was a cover up story. Wonder if this is a connection to her family. I have not verified this nor do I know if it is her original research or if she has verified it but I think it may be worth tracking down. The Skaggs is definitely in our Blevins line and this is on her fathers side.
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/13626919/family?cfpid=26084646541
I questioned the accuracy of that story as well. The Martha Lester in this tree is not the same one who is the wife of Moses Coppock though. My Martha Lester (1739-1816) is born in Bucks PA, passed in Newberry SC. The Martha Lester in this tree (1773-1859) is born in Montgomery VA, passed in Tazewell VA.
These lines have a lot of conflicting information. Nathan Coppock 1834-1895 is a descendant of Col Thomas Waters 1738-1810 through his marriage with Lydia Barrett not Cherokee Sally Hughes.
I’m trying to figure out if the Moses Coppock on the 1754 Muster Roll for Granville County is mine. The muster role is not in alphabetical order and the name next to his is John Jones. This is the right time and place for the John Jones on my grandmother’s line. The birth dates would make them 18 and 29 respectively in 1754.
In an February 9 1886 article in the Indianapolis News it mentions “Samuel Coppock of White’s manual labor institute, south of this city, left this morning for Vinita, Indian Territory to bring fifteen Sioux, Cheyenne, Modoc and Apache Indian girls for education at the institute”
I’m not sure how Samuel Coppock is connected to my lines. But the name is uncommon enough that they are surely related.
Also trying to see if there is a connection to Benjamin Coppock (Cheyenne) at the Carlisle Indian School which operated between 1879-1918.
I got a little sidetracked and it brought me back to this. My brother in law descends from Moses Coppock and Martha Lester, but before I got to involved I wanted to see if I could finish confirming my Stewart line. I like 10 confirmed matches with good trees that can be traced before I decide. I have my 10 from Ludovic Grant descendants, plus a Canadian who descends from his brother Peter back in Scotland. Team that with the fact that her grandfather, Ludovic Grant and Bailie John Stewart (Indian Agent John Stuart’s father) are all in the Jacobite War together which gets them banished from Scotland when the loose the war, I am ready to claim Indian John Stewart. I had to eliminate John Stewart Longhunter, Samuel Stewart of Rowan NC and the New Jersey Stewart but it all works out. So I move on to find his wife with matches and she is Mary Hollingworth daughter of George Hollingsworth and Hannah McKay. Her dad had the McKay Trading Post in Ga. So next is my Joseph Jr and I just got my eleven matches (I am stopping) to Margaret Evans daughter of Robert Evans and Rebecca Coppock. In the process, I decided to look at early Miami Co marriages to see if the two daughters could be found. I know the sons are Moses and Elijah (my direct) who are buried together. Then I already had that Rebecca’s parents are Moses Coppock and Martha Lester. I always wondered why his brother was named “Moses”. I now have 10 Lester matches. Now on to those curious Lester. That link connects to Martha Arthur daughter of married Abner Lester>Bryant Lester>John Lester who match our Peter Lester. Both are Pa but I have not tried to connect them. I think her Abner looks accurate. I found this http://rla.unc.edu/Archives/accounts/Needham/Needham.html so I am hoping to find something in it.
The John Lester is 1690 married Sarah Whitehead so the right age to be son of Peter. A sister is Catherine married John Ball
Notes I found:married Mary Duncalf aft Aug 6. 1685 in ChesterCo., PA, USA. Mary was born. Mary was the daughter of Thomas Duncalf and Margaret Taylor. Mary died before 1740. She became engaged to Peter Lester August 6, 1685. He married Sarah Scott 1740 in Abington MM, PA. Peter immigrated to Chester Co., or Philadelphia, PA 1682. He became engaged to Mary Duncalf August 6, 1685. “Peter Lester, the founder of the family of that name in Pennsylvania and a pioneer of the Richland Settlement, came to Pennsylvania about 1682 with William Penn’s group from Leichestershire, England. He was first given 1 square lot of land on Market St. by William Penn in Philadelphia. He sold this for 30 pounds. He was a member of the Society of Friends and declared intentions of marriage at Chester Monthly Meeting with Mary Duncalf, 6 mo. 6, 1685. He was accompanied to this country by at a probable brother, as the will of George Lester, probated at Philadelphia Dec. 14, 1695, mentions him as a kinsman and makes him executor.” A William Lester who dies in 1691 lists Peter as a cousin and George as a Kinsman.
He purchased 316 acres of land in 1699 in the Manor of Moreland,Philadelphia (now Montgomery Co.) where he lived until 1712. He sold his land and then moved his family to the Great Swamp on a 600 acre farm in Richland, purchasing that land on June 24, 1712. He and his family were amongst the first to settle in Richland Co., PA. His own property was called, “Friends in the Swamp,” later being named Richland. Monthly Meetings where they participated included Abington and Gwynedd. Abington was a distance from where they lived in Richland, so when Gwynedd was finally formed in 1716, they received certificates of removal to join the new closer meeting at that time.Soon after this meeting was formed several other families moved to the area, including two son-in-laws that bought property next to his,Abraham Griffith and John Ball. His wife died by 1739. He married again in the Gwyned Monthly Meeting to Sarah Scott. He probably died about 1742, although no death records were preserved for that area at that time. The name Lester is a phonetic spelling of Leicester where the family is from in England. Another possible relative/brother to this Peter is Thomas. He came to America in 1689. He returned three years later to Scotland, married, had 16 children. He returned to Pennsylvania with several of these children. They lived in PA, NC, and possibly Virginia.
My mother (sue) been getting all her Coppock information out to take another look at these lines. It’s going to take some time for me to process it all. Probably in April.
On the DNA front I’ve noticed a triangulation between your kit, my mother’s kit, Laurie in the Saponi United group’s kit, and the NE1 Hungary 7.2ky sample. The match between my mother and Laurie is 8.1cM (est. 4th-5th cousin) on chromosome 17 from 51 to 58. The NE1 match is 3.8cM, your match is 4.3cM both on 17 from 53 to 57.
To me that suggests a common German-American ancestor born 1700s-early 1800s.
MarcSnelling;38795 wrote: My mother (sue) been getting all her Coppock information out to take another look at these lines. It’s going to take some time for me to process it all. Probably in April.
On the DNA front I’ve noticed a triangulation between your kit, my mother’s kit, Laurie in the Saponi United group’s kit, and the NE1 Hungary 7.2ky sample. The match between my mother and Laurie is 8.1cM (est. 4th-5th cousin) on chromosome 17 from 51 to 58. The NE1 match is 3.8cM, your match is 4.3cM both on 17 from 53 to 57.
To me that suggests a common German-American ancestor born 1700s-early 1800s.
I have a lot of matches on that segment including that Ancient F999935 Ust-IshimSiberia 45ky I am seeing Cotton in a lot of these matches but I don’t have this as one of my directs but I have a lot of Pa German Lutherans not figured out on my Wenrick line. Here is one match that has both.
M180124 Donna Dyer Ballinger, Bartlett, Bolling, Boyd, Bunch, Burton, Cash, Cathey, Clayton, Cocke, Cook, Cotton, Crenshaw, Davis, Harding, Johnson, Leftwich, Mathis, Mcallister, Mitchell, Pearson, Powell, Roberts, Rogers, Stewart, Stith, Thompson, Turner, Walker, Wenrick, West, Williams, Wolfe, Wright, Yancey,
M115102 *Florence Waters Blevins, Sizemore, Waters, Thompson
M693826 Donna Campbell Anderson, Abbott, Bolling, Boran, Brazeal, Brooks, Bryan, Campbell, Cathey, Collins, Davis, Green, Griffin, Humphries, Kennon, Ledbetter, Lewis, Littleberry, N Kirtley, Phelps, Ravenelbryan, Roberts, Seborn, Sebring, Sehorn, St Julien, Standley, Stewart, Stith, Townsend, Walker, Wilson, Worsham,
There are 40+ matches on this segment alone and I think a lot are the Westfall/Cottrell/Seubering that came out of that New Amerdam/ New Jersey in the 1600. It seems to hit all of my major lines of descent.
I triangulated your kit and these kits against the group of us in the Saponi United group. There are a number of smaller connections showing up, and a few bigger ones. Our cousin Cheryl (who is 4th cousin on Brower, 6th cousin on Gates lines, and a descendant of Old Ned Sizemore – A248622) in particular has a lot of small matches. I found another living Coppock descendant, so am going to triangulate against her if she responds with a kit number.
I noticed my mother has a 6.8cM match to Donna Dyer. We are known descendants of Quaker Mary Dyer on our Marshall line – so this makes sense.
I have a link to Donna’s tree, we share several sets of grandparents.
John Bunch came to Virginia before 3 Mar 1656. He arrived in a party of twelve brought by Gervase Dodson. John was assigned 450 acres in New Kent Co, VA on 18 Mar 1662 by Phillip Freeman. Phillip had bought it from the original grantee, Thos. Merriday.
I have to wonder if this Freeman is the Q haplo Freeman line.
Also I found this on the Skaggs/ Lester/ Arthur family.
http://rla.unc.edu/archives/accounts/needham/needhamedited.html
Oh here is a link..She is actually a Johnson and her husband is the Dyer. I do wonder if that is my brother in laws line as I think he may have Marshall. He is definitely a Coppock/ Lester…his id-A146918 *MrMagee
Here is Donna’s tree, I think it is public. If not she will give you an invite if you ask.
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/10543416/family?cfpid=-622567097
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