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Bess,
Thanks a bunch!!! You’ve given me a lot more to look into here. Samuel Mount/Mounts/Mountz is a particular thorn in my side. It seems that a lot of researchers seem comfortable assigning Lt. Co. Providence Mounts [wound up on Bullskin, Fayette Co. PA- old Westmoreland], William Mounts [PA] & a Joseph Mounts [Allegany Co., MD near Old Town] as sons of the elder Joseph Mounts, probable son of Charles Mounts Anderson. A Samuel is there in Fredrick Co., as well as a Richard Mounts dead by 1760, but I don’t know how they fit in yet. I am trying to develop more info on the Samuels currently. So thanks for the reference to Samuel. I need to get into the early Berkley Co. records it seems.
My for sure Mounts ancestor, David Mountz/Mounts [Blackfoot ID]born abt. 1785 first appears on discovered paper in 1809 as the “orphan of Samuel Mountz” choosing James Addair as his guardian/surety when he applies for a marriage bond to marry Margaret Cline/Klein in Montgomery Co. VA. James Addair was in the New River area by 1773 and ran a ferry across the river close to Radford. This particular Addair family also has an oral tradition of Indian ancestors. This area of the New River must have also been an important trade route due to the number of trade beads, shells, etc. discovered there by Shumate’s and others. David Mounts and Addair descendants settle in the Tug River Valley on the KY/WV border in the early 1800’s. Margaret’s father, Peter Cline, Sr. settles on Peter’s Creek on the KY side. This family is mixed with the Hatfields of feud fame.
It has seemed to me that a lot of the Mounts are scattered like buckshot on the early frontier…..I’ve collected a bunch of references that I haven’t been able to piece together yet. [Even some tantilizing, sparse AOFP references once the Federal Period begins]. I am aware of the references you are making to KY and the Mounts, Swearingens, Friends and others just showing up there….
Paulson, Foreman, Jones, and Williams are other early Orange Co. names that appear, along with Swearingen and Van Meter, to be intertwined somehow. I just recalled that Rocky Marsh Run was originally Jones Mill Run for Josiah Jones early mill there [O’Dell]. Paulson & Jones took out the original land patent with Joseph Mounts.
Abraham Bledsloe was also in early Orange, along with the Linvilles and Morgan Bryan & some family.
Some of these Orange Co./Old Fredrick VA names show up in Old Ninety-Six District in SC in 1779, along with a Barnabus & George Mounts. Van Swearingen, Providence Williams, etc. It’s an interesting list to look at……. 96 District was pretty big….Of course it stands out to me because it was a trade center.
I will follow your suggestion and read back in the threads about the names/topics you have suggested.
Thanks again,
Brenda
Originally posted by techteach
Bess and Brenda:
Caven is a name that is found in the cemetery with my Blackfoot ggggrandmother. In fact, the cemetery caretakers are Cavens and there is an old stone schoolhouse built in the mid-1800s, the Caven school, that is on the registry of historical places just around the corner from the cemetery.
Cindy,
Is the name ever transcribed or spelled as “CAVE”?
Brenda, Nevil wayland Sr (1754-1806) was in SC in 1778 per his Rev war documents. He was a “wagoner on the Indian frontier” — he also drove cattle and horses to the soldiers and worked for the quartermaster. That means he supplied horss and cattle and foodstuffs to the troops fighting against the Cherokee at the NW corner of SC. I do not know where he was before that. Unfortunately, I saw nothing in his revolutionary war record that would suggest where he was born.
Nevil Sr had 4 known sons — Nevil Jr (church clerk of Stoney Creek), William (who I’m descended from), Henry, and Francis (who stayed in SW Virginia several years after the rest moved to Arkansas in 1815). I don’t know who Nevil Wayland Sr’s parents were. He was 24 when he appears in SC — the approx age one leaves home so he could be from anywhere. In 1797 he is in lower Russell Co in SW Va where he remained until he died in 1806. When he died he owned what appear to the tools of a blacksmith or cooper, including one item listed as a “tomahawk”.
Brenda, you said —
Some of these Orange Co./Old Fredrick VA names show up in Old Ninety-Six District in SC in 1779,
reply —
That is where my Nevil Wayland Sr enlisted in the South Carolina Militia in 1778 — Ninty-Six District.
Check 1779
Old Ninety Six District:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/sc/districts/census/
This list is housed in the USGenweb archives….. after opening, click 1779
Some interesting names.
Brenda:
You got me going trying to find if I can follow a family with Blackfoot ID from Blackfoot Town to Blackfoot Cemetery via Pennsylvania. Anyway, my folks don’t seem to be far enough east. I have them about 64 miles away, but most were from the Baltimore area, Anne Arundel County.
Anyone – As I was looking, I found this web site that talks about Indians in Pennsylvania and then in Shamokin specifically. http://www.libraries.psu.edu/do/digitalbookshelf/30798226/30798226_part_004.pdf.
This is the second part. If you change the 004 to 003, you will get the first part. Discusses the Tutelo a bit.
Techteach
Cindy & Bess,
Here is an interesting reference from O’Dell’s book about a Green Branch in Cecil County, MD.
[I am interested in Cecil County and especially in the area around Octoraro Creek. A number of AOFP show up in the 1790 census there in Octorara Hundreds, including an Alexander Mountz. Alexander was a well-used name in my known Mounts line. Most folks I have seen discuss this area talk about the free blacks in Rock Run/ Port Deposit area 1850’s on… and the 1790 AOFP get swallowed up in that discussion. I am interested in the area from much earlier on & up… The Susquehannock had a village there very early, I think… and late 1600’s- early 1700’s I think there was a Shawnee village there. For Octoraro area, one has to look at Chester/Lancaster PA as well, I guess– the other side of the creek!.]
O’Dell, Cecil, PIONEERS OF OLD FREDERICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1995, P. 111:
“On 4 November 1719, John Sargent purchased 241 acres on “Green Branch of Octoraro Creek of Susquahanna Run” from Abraham Pennington and his wife Mary plus 100 acres on land called ‘Sargents’ Neck’; both tracts are located in Cecil County, Maryland.”
[Sargent possibly Largant?]
[The creek is on the east side of Susquehanna River]
O’Dell’s source is Cecil County Maryland Deeds, Liber 3, 4, Folio 256, 31
My question is was Green Branch possibly named for a man surnamed Green who was a neighbor or associate of Indian trader Abraham Pennington??
From EARLY ANGLICAN CHURCH RECORDS OF CECIL COUNTY by Henry C. Peden:
Thomas Green, son of Timothy & Elizabeth born 8 Mar 1723, St. Stephen’s Parish [North Sassafrass Parish]
John Green born 30 January 1732, no parents listed, St. Mary Ann’s Parish Register 1709-1799
From ABSTRACTS OF CCECIL COUNTY MARYLAND LAND RECORDS 1673-1751 by June D. Brown:
11 August 1724 a THOMAS GREEN of Great Egg Harbour, Glouster Co., NJ buys 250 called COXES FANCY acres of land on the east side of the Susquehanna River from William Cox, merchant, of Cecil Co.
Thomas Green also purchases from William Cox 250 a. called COXES PURCHASE, east side of Susquehanna. He is identified as “Thomas Green, late of Egg Harbor but now of Cecil Co., yoeman.”
Abraham Pennington must have been moving about this time, for on 13 April 1724 he sells 160 a. of land called Pambrook where he then dwelled to William Cox, merchant. He is identified as “Abraham Penington of Cecil County, Indian trader”.
11 Dec. 1738 a JONAS GREEN is witness to Thomas Williams, merchant of Cecil Co., assigning power of attorney to John Bubenham and James Bayard of Cecil Co. to recover debts for him due from presons in Cecil Co. [Probably indicates that Willliams is moving.]
Originally posted by techteach
Anyone – As I was looking, I found this web site that talks about Indians in Pennsylvania and then in Shamokin specifically. http://www.libraries.psu.edu/do/digitalbookshelf/30798226/30798226_part_004.pdf.
This is the second part. If you change the 004 to 003, you will get the first part. Discusses the Tutelo a bit.
Techteach
I just got to the search function and can’t find the document. Is there a title I can search for?
Why not send me your email address and I will just attach the pdf files?
That information is interesting. Bill once told me to check out Cecil County for my family. I never did. Deb and I suspect a Green/Sinkey tie prior to them meeting in Ohio, as one Sinkey will assigns a Green to take charge of the deceased wife and children of a Sinkey.
O’Dell is a name mentioned in “The Green Tree” as being neighbors of the Greens in Anne Arundel County. They use the name Regnal in their line also.
Rev. Richard Sankey was preacher of Octorara church in the early 1700s. Sinkey/Sankey are interchangeable, but we can’t link him to our line. He leaves the area for Cub Creek, Amelia County, VA.
Here’s some information
http://www.lpickard.com/thomphist.htm
http://lib-operations.sonoma.edu/fin/aaa-0566.html
Techteach
Originally posted by techteach
Why not send me your email address and I will just attach the pdf files?
That information is interesting. Bill once told me to check out Cecil County for my family. ….
Rev. Richard Sankey was preacher of Octorara church in the early 1700s. Sinkey/Sankey are interchangeable, but we can’t link him to our line. He leaves the area for Cub Creek, Amelia County, VA.
Here’s some information
http://www.lpickard.com/thomphist.htm
http://lib-operations.sonoma.edu/fin/aaa-0566.html
Techteach
This is interesting as a John Mounts is a tithable in old Lunenburg County abt. 1748 through 1752. All these Southside Tithables have intresting surnames, some Sizemores, and the 1749 list that John Mounts is on Lists an “Indian Harry”, as well…..
[A few selected names from William Caldwell’s Tithable List: SUNLIGHT ON THE SOUTHSIDE
Transcribed by Thomas Walter Duda, Part 3
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/sun003.txt
JOHN MOUNTS with 1 tithable, see Harry Simon, Indian, John Stuart’s Indian Harry’s List, Perrin, Childrey, Handcock. Mullens, Collins, etc. ]
Was the Octorara Church on the Pennsylvania side of the creek? There is a Pinn researcher [Amherst County Pinns] who has traced some branches of her mixed family back to that church. She says it was early on a church for mixed peoples.
Here is a little on the Reverend from the Library of Virginia. Maybe a Finley connection? Carmen has a Mounts [Elizabeth m. David Finley]. They went to KY and settled along Dick’s Creek for awhile. Some Mounts nearby]
” Sankey, Richard, d. 1790.
Title Letter, 1764 Jan. 4.
Material 2 leaves.
Summary Letter, dated 4 January 1764, from Richard Sankey, Prince Edward County, Virginia, to John Leneve (LeNeve), giving consent to the marriage of his niece, Elizabeth Finley, to James Gillespy (Gillespie) of Augusta County, Virginia. This marriage was recorded in Prince Edward County, 5 January 1764.
Cite As Richard Sankey. Letter, 4 January 1764. Accession 21126. Personal papers collection, The Library of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia.
Format Photostats (negative).
Biog./Hist. Note Richard Sankey was born in Northern Ireland and emigrated to Pennsylvania about 1735. He became a Presbyterian minister in Pennsylvania, then, with most of his congregation, moved to Prince Edward County, Virginia, about 1759, and established Buffalo Church. Sankey signed one of the first petitions for religious freedom to be presented before the new Virginia House of Delegates in 1776, and he was one of the first trustees for Hampden-Sidney College. Sankey died in 1790.
Subject – Personal Finley, Elizabeth. …”
Originally posted by Bess
I think the SWEARINGEN family may be one of the links connecting your ancesters to Native Americans from this region. It is known that unamed “indians†were working along the river at the Ferry as late as 1840.
Bess
Cindy,
Digging through boxes found THE BERKELEY JOURNAL, #13, 1989, which has articles on Swearingens, history of BUTTSTOWN, Scrabble, etc. Do you have this?
Buttstown article mentions Ohio & Indiana locations for some descendants, early land purchase by Richard Butt in 1771, some Greens, Darkie/Dorcas, and this:
“ELLEN SOUTHER WHO MARRIED APRIL 20, 1810 VAN SWEARINGEN BUTT.”
I sent my e-mail via private messaging here.
Brenda:
I don’t have that publication. I will have to look into it. I have seen the name Dorcas/Darkie in “The Green Tree.” It was a first name and her description is interesting. There was a reason she was called Darkie.
That is interesting about the Octarara church, that someone else thought it was mixed. I have not found documentation, but it is my opinion also, that it was a mixed church. I don’t know exactly where it was located. Some of the best information on Richard Sankey came from an historical description on a high school site that I found in a cached file. The Hampdon-Sydney school, as it began, is described in something I read as a school for “frontier boys,” whatever that means.
It is funny, though, that I have not run across your Mounts, other than the possibility of the Pamela Mount in my grandfather’s line.
Thanks for the note on Van Swearingen Butt. There are others with Swearingen in their name. I know that some Butt is NA, because I correspond with one who showed me a picture of his grandmother, who is definitely not white. But then, the Green who is the first white child born in Licking County does not look white to me either.
Bill followed some of the descendents of Thomson and Sankey and found them as mixed peoples in Tennessee. We just don’t know how/if they are connected to us. I just think that they are. The coincidence of both having preached in all the areas of my branches who end up in Iowa together is too much.
Techteach
Originally posted by Bess
I think the SWEARINGEN family may be one of the links connecting your ancesters to Native Americans from this region. It is known that unamed “indians†were working along the river at the Ferry as late as 1840.
Bess
Bess,
Following is one link of Mounts to Swearingen. There are probably others… some of these family notes were given to me by various researchers over the years, so i can’t personally prove all the marriages.
A Few Descendants of Joseph Mounts- daughter Hannah connects to Swearingen line
Generation No. 1
1. JOSEPH4 MOUNTS (JOSEPH3, CHARLES MOUNTS2 ANDERSON, MANS1 ANDERSSON) died 1797 in Allegheny County, MD. He married ELEANOR. She died Abt. 1812.
Notes for JOSEPH MOUNTS:
This Joseph Mounts was brother to Lt. Col. Providence Mounts. While living in Fredreick Co., MD he leased land from his father located in Frederick Co., VA on the south side of the Potomac River. On March 21, 1768 Joseph, Jr. purchased from David ROSE*, merchant a 304 acre tract of land called “SUGAR BOTTOM”, which was located about 7 to 8 miles above Ft. Cumberland, MD, on the Potomac River. (Frederick Co., MD, Deed Bk. L, p. 239; Brent Mount). This tract is currently in Allegheny Co., MD. Joseph’s wife Eleanor is mentioned. Joseph “MOUNTZ” is assessed tax on this tract in 1783.
Jesse Mounts and Eleanor Mounts, executors of the will of Joseph Mountz of Allegheny Co., Maryland, bonded for 1000 pounds, with James Clark and David Hoffman as sureties, Dec. 28, 1797, Allegany Administrative Bonds, Bk. A, p. 55. It would be interesting to find an inventory of his estate,
* It would be interesting to check the linage of David Rose, merchant. On December 19, 1693 a Polycarpus Rose, along with a Thomas Jenner, accused Indian Traders Peter and Richard Bezaillion and Madame Ann LeTort and her husband Jaques Le Tort of “carrying on a secret correspondence with the ‘strange Indians called Shallnarooners’ (Shawnees) the year before.” (Hanna, Vo; 1., pp. 135, 168). A James Rose petitioned the Chester County, PA Court in 1738 for a license to engage in the Indian trade (Hanna, Vol. 1, p. 179).
More About JOSEPH MOUNTS:
Will: December 18, 1797, Allegheny Co. Wills, Bk. A, p. 3. Surname spelled “MOUNTZ”. Probated in Allegheny, MD, mentions wife Eleanor, sons Jesse, Providence, Asa, and daughters Hannah, Mary, and Elizabeth.
Notes for ELEANOR: NOTE THE AOFP IN THIS HOUSEHOLD
Mounce, Eleanor
Township: Upper Old Town
County: Allegany
State: Maryland
Year: 1800
Roll: 9
Page: 35
Image: 22
1 white female 45 or over; 1 free white female 10-15; 2 All other free persons; 1 slave.
Others in Upper Old Town Hundred:
Hannah Cresap Upper Old Town, Allegany, MD 1800 [d/o Joseph & Eleanor?]
James Cresap Upper Old Town, Allegany, MD 1800
Joseph Cresap Upper Old Town, Allegany, MD 1800
Robt Cresap Upper Old Town, Allegany, MD 1800
Thos Cresap Upper Old Town, Allegany, MD 1800
Van Cresap Upper Old Town, Allegany, MD 1800
Children of JOSEPH MOUNTS and ELEANOR are:
i. ASA5 MOUNTS, b. Bef. 1764; d. December 27, 1803, Chilliocothe, OH. He was killed by his brother-in-law, Edward Stallcup; m. MARY UNKNOWN.
Notes for ASA MOUNTS:
Asa was murdered by Edward Stallcup at Chillicothe, OH. Edward, whose wife was Asa’s sister Mary, was hung in 1804. A bad character… Located/traveled in Mississipi prior to Ohio trip where he was shot…
“CHARLES McINTIRE OF COLONIAL VIRGINIA” compiled by June R. McIntire Taylor and Lois M. McIntire Salisbury pages 227 through 247 outlines some of the Mounts families. According to Mounts researcehers of this branch, full of errors.
More About ASA MOUNTS:
Migration # 1: 1798, Living in Nelson Co., KY
Migration # 2: 1803, Living in Adams Co., Mississippi
ii. MARY MOUNTS, m. EDWARD STALCOP.
2. iii. JESSE MOUNTS.
iv. PROVIDENCE MOUNTS, d. 1812.
Notes for PROVIDENCE MOUNTS:
This Providence was an idiot who died unmarried in 1812. [Brent Mount]
3. v. HANNAH MOUNTZ.
vi. ELIZABETH MOUNTS, m. GEORGE JACKSON, February 07, 1798, Berkley Co. VA (WV).
vii. SINAH MOUNTS.
Notes for SINAH MOUNTS:
“MONTZ, Sinah | Van CRESAP | 1800-1802 | 17 | “her” estate left by Joseph MONTZ”
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/md/allegany/court/orphan3.txt Apparetnly her brother-in-law was her guardian.
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Generation No. 2
2. JESSE5 MOUNTS (JOSEPH4, JOSEPH3, CHARLES MOUNTS2 ANDERSON, MANS1 ANDERSSON) He married SARAH.
More About JESSE MOUNTS:
Migration # 2: 1812, Living in Ross Co., OH
Child of JESSE MOUNTS and SARAH is:
i. ASA6 MOUNTS.
3. HANNAH5 MOUNTZ (JOSEPH4 MOUNTS, JOSEPH3, CHARLES MOUNTS2 ANDERSON, MANS1 ANDERSSON) She married VAN SWEARINGEN CRESAP, son of COL. DANIEL CRESAP and RUTH SWEARINGEN. He was born 1760, and died 1808.
Notes for HANNAH MOUNTZ:
Cresap, Hannah
Township: Upper Old Town
County: Allegany
State: Maryland
Year: 1800
Roll: 9
Page: 35
Image: 22
Cresap, Hannah
Township: District 5
County: Allegany
State: Maryland
Year: 1810
Roll: 14
Page: 36
Image: 23.00
1 white female 45 years or older
1 white male of 10 and under 16
Joseph Cresap household has 4 aofp.
Notes for VAN SWEARINGEN CRESAP:
Van, husband of Hannah MOUNTZ/MOUNTS was the Grandson of the famous/infamous [depending on pt. of view] Thomas Cresap……Thomas was in Cecil Co. before coming to the Potomac area…Here is a letter referencing Van’s father Daniel, grandfather Thomas, and the significance of the Warrior’s path in this Old Town area. It is one of many that passed back and forth and is at the Archives of Maryland. Van Swearingen Cresap’s MO T HER was RUTH SWEARINGEN, d/o VAN SWEARINGEN AND ELIZABETH WALKER.
“Old Town Frederick County May 15th1763
Brother Tokeryhogan.
At a Treaty held at Philadelphia in 1762, We desired we
might be furnished with Provisions, Powder, Lead, Paint,
Tobacco and a few Knives, as We Pass through the Frontiers
of this Province, to and from War, and requested these Neces-
saries might be delivered to us by Colo Thomas Cresap, or his
Son Daniel, at this place, which is in our Road as we go and
come, this was promised to us by the great men at the said
Treaty, and we doubted not their performance of that Prom-
ise; but now we are come here we find nothing but what said
Cresap has given us on his own Account vizt some victuals,
a few Knives and some Tobacco, Therefore We desire our
request may be complyed with, which will prevent our taking
any thing from the Poor Inhabitants.
Teowagawy
——————— Cuttowygo
————————— Tuthehaya.
This Certifies that the above Letter was wrote at the Re-
quest of the above three Capts the former of whom has made
his Mark hereto. his
John W Walkerâ€
http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/megafile/msa/speccol/sc2900/sc2908/000001/000032/html/am32–57.html
Bess and Brenda,
I have to go back and reread several postings here. Bess, I missed your posting on the 29th. “Indian” Van Swearingen, I believe, is the Van Swearingen who is my direct ancestor. And I bet anything that the McLane you found is my ancestor also. Trouble is, I have no information on Nancy McLane. It is like she was dropped by aliens.
Brenda,
If your Mount is related to my Pamela Mount, it means I have Blackfoot coming in two directions. I don’t know about the Greens/Butts though. The Blackfoot is through the McLane from Beaver County, PA. However, Bill turned up a relationship between my Hustons (married Greens) and a later person related to the Ozwalts. Genforum indicates a Blackfoot ID there. Ozwalt and my Sinkey were in the same PA group in the Rev.
Gotta go to my job. Later.
Techteach
Bess and Brenda
I wanted to clarify that the Swearingen connection is to my grandfather’s Carpenter line. My uncle has done an extensive genealogy on them and established a fairly convincing connection between the families that was picked up by Eckert. He mentions that a Robert Carpenter, nephew to a Tomlinson was attacked by Indians. Pamela Mount, if any connection, is in that line. There is no rumor of NA in that line that I ever heard, although I have suspected it.
Bess, you asked about connections between the Sinkeys and Greens. I am not sure of any, but tomorrow I can give post the speculations of the author of “the Green Tree.”
Techteach
Bess,
The author of “The Green Tree” speculates that William and his wife came from PA. He found Greens in Philadelphia and Green brothers who file for land in Chester County. John Green was a well-known Quaker, so there is possible a Quaker connection.
William’s daughter-in-law was believed to have been Sarah Duncan, a daughter of a Matthew Duncan. A will from Matthew Duncan, Jr. lists his sister, Sarah Green, of Berkeley County, as an heir.
He further speculates on a relationship with Joseph Darke, another Quaker, given that William’s granddaughter was named Dinah Darke Butt.
At the same time, the author finds Williamsons there, a name that is later in Berkeley County.
This led him to speculate that William Green was in PA from around 1700 to 1705 when they would have been married. He was born in Portobacco, MD.
If this Quaker connection is true, it might be the link between the Sinkeys and the Greens. I found a William Sankey who arrives in the mid-1600s in Philadelphia, as noted in Quaker minutes. Other Sankey researchers place the Sankeys as coming from Sankey, England. When I googled this, it was a center for Quakerism. In fact, I found a school activity revolving around William Sankey, a Quaker from this area. However I really do not know the link. However, the Sinkeys live near the Ricketts (and intermarry) who came from Hagerstown as documented in a Rickett PA pension request. One researcher notes that Edward Rickett, Jr (who served with my William Sinkey) married an Indian.
DNA evidence on the Sinkeys links them to England.
Conoy Indians were found on Heater’s Island in the 1690’s until they left in 1705, due to a smallpox epidemic. This would be on a path of movement of William Green, although if he were in PA, he detoured.
The Greens and Swearingens were in the same church, St. Barnabas Episcopal, in Queen Anne’s Parish, Prince George’s County.
I do not know, though, what the connection to Cecil County is, just that Bill said there might be.
Techteach
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