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My great grandfather was a blackfoot indian who married a ‘malatto’ african american, Lucy Bryant Perkins 3/28/1872. His name changed or he was known by the Civil War Pension people to have the alias of Jim Shemes or James Shemes, and the given name of James perkins or Jim Perkins. His family knows him, affecctionately, as James (Jas) Perkins. He was born in Trenton County, North Carolina 8/22/1839 and he died in Northwest Township, North Carolina 3/1/1920. He had 11 children and my grandfather Harvey Perkins was born in 1889 and married Mary Augustas Williams Perkins. They had 11 childrens, my mother Jannie being one the eleven. Iam told that
Trenton County and Jones County North Carolina is the same, as well as Northwest and Leland, North Carolina of the greater Wilminton, North Carolina.
My purpose is to find my great grandfather’s relatives or not to find them but to trance his roots. I’v already learned that he served during the Civil War, but I dont know where (what unit) and how (his rank) or in what capacity.
I am hoping for some help and further clarification of his past.
Also, some of my great grandfather’s children moved out across the country in places such as Kansas City (i.e. Saul, Mary, Cornealius, Julia, and Howard Perkins).
Thanks in advance for any help one might have to offer!
Sincerely,
scylar148
Hello Aubrey….great to hear from you with your ideas and facts on this family….the picture is getting clearer (somewhat) when everything everyone knows is pieced together…thanks so much for the reply.
Reading what Jim wrote…and what YOU wrote and what I discerned thus far…I did soem more hunting about and came up with the following (perhaps) additional information on this line of Coles:
*I started with Carlos Cole and “backtracked further back in time/generations, thus showing the following:
1. Carlo Cole registered for WWI and his Draft Registration card reads as follows: Carlo Cole; age 21; residence: Hagan, VA; born: 24 Jul 1896 in Harlan Co, KY; employer: C.C. Davis; occupation: farming(general farm); Marital Status: single; Race: Part Indian; Physical stats: Medium height and weight/build; Black hair, Black eyes; Precinct of registration: White Shoals, Lee Co, VA; reg. date: 5 Jun 1918.
2. In 1920 in White Shoals, Lee Co, VA I located a census with:
Washington Cole, H of HH, 49 W, VA
Lerinda, 49, wife
Carlo, 23,
Maynard, 19
Jerry, 16
Florence, 11
Nellie, 8
Polly Mary, 22
Washington (g son), 8/12 mos.
3. I also located a death index for Carlo Cole stating: DOD 21 Nov 1972, age 76 years, place of death: Harlan Co, KY
4. In 1900 I located a census in Indian Territory..the H of HH was listed as George Cole, age 29, B: feb 1872 VA with sisters:
Nannie, 33, B: Oct 1866 VA
Victoria, 32, B: Feb 1868 VA
Sallie, 30, B: Apr 1870 VA
5. In the same census year, 1920 I located a Rose Hill, Lee Co, VA listing for H of HH:
Robert Cole, age 60, B: VA with wife:
Serra J., age 62, B: VA
6. In 1870 in Harlan Co, KY in Mt. Pleasant I found a VERY interesting census…it actually indexed the family members as JAPANESE!….but I looked at it nonetheless and found the following:
H of HH: Eliza Cole, 28 VA, I (*Indian!…NOT Japanese! LOL)
Almeda, 12, VA, I
Jacob, 14, VA, I
Robert, 10, VA, I
Mary Jane, 6, VA, I
Mollie, 1/12 mos, VA, I
7. For Robert “Blind Bob” Cole I located a rootsweb DB of Don Warf (email: donwarf@juno.com) that listed him as b: 20 Jun 1860
d: 7 Feb 1930 Rose Hill, Lee Co, VA
buried: Warf/Cole Cemetery, Rose Hill, Lee Co, VA
his wife being Sarah Jane MARTIN b: 18 Aug 1858 KY d: 18 Nov 1928 Rose Hill, Lee Co, VA, burial: DO above
I found a listing on a OWT showing a daughter for them: Mary Florence “Marthy” Cole b: 19 feb 1885 KY buried: Clyde, Sandusky Co, OH *note: Don Warf indicates in another PAF that Marthy has a headstone in the Warf/Cole Cemetery so her burial location is UNK.
Marthy is also listed on a PAF @ Rootsweb belonging to: William Gordon Mullins, SR. (email: wmullins@nc.rr.com)…hsi info coupled with that of Don Warf present the following on Marthy:
She Md Joseph W. Warf abt 1898 in Harlan Co, KY; he being b: 10 May 1878 Rose Hill, Lee Co, VA; issue:
Clarence: b: abt 1901 Rose Hill, Lee Co, VA
Polly/Pauline/Mary: b: abt 1903 DO
James Henry “Jim”: b: 17 Jun 1910 DO
David O.: b: abt 1909
Leona: b: abt 1914
Jackson R./ Robert Jackson “Jack”: b: 19 Jun 1899 DO
Walter Sr.: b: abt 1905
Mary N. : b: abt 1912
Albena: b: abt 1916.
8. In 1850 I located a census in Knox Co, KY showing H of HH:
John Cole, 52, NC
Eliza, 15, VA
Emanuel, 13 VA
John, 12, VA
Harrison, 11, VA
Elizabeth, 8, KY
Anderson, 6, KY
Jefferson, 4, KY
Elviry? Elvisy? Elray? (female), 12, VA
*Note: it is POSSIBLE that the census taken “flubbed” and mistakenly indexed John/Jack/Jackson’s wife Eliza as a daughter being only 15…but this census to me was very telling and pretty much indicates to me, that your John was Jack…aka: Jackson Cole…one and the same as the son of John Charles “Jack” Cole & Cuzzie Anderson.
It seems right “likely” that this line of men used numerous names and pet names throughout various years…and likley many had numerous wives and/or children…carrying the names on. I know that alot of this is speculation on my part and the part of others but historically it all is seemingly “fitting” nicely. In the 1850 census in Knox Co, KY they are literally SURROUNDED by Gipson(Gibson) families…which is no suprise to me. I additionally wanted to make mention that there is one record showing that John/Jack/Jackson Cole’s wife previously listed as KATY UNK…is listed as having been Katy GIBSON, born 1790…but I have thus far been able to locate more on her.
Other notes re: his children that I wanted to pass along:
i. Mariah E. Cole who MD Valentine “Tiney” Cole…she is listed as Sarah E. Cole on her son John M. Wesley’s birth record….. to wit:
Source: Located Oct 2005 from a compilation of births/marriages and deaths in Floyd & Magoffin Counties in KY: Volume II of KY Vital Statistics originally printed in 1977 by Clarence E. Shepherd, printed by the Magoffin County Historical Society. Magoffin County births, page 90.*Note: he is listed as John W. Cole, mother listed as Sarah Collins*(I have all of these records and indexed them myself…these are my own personal source notes.)
John M. Wesley Cole MD 2x: Rebecca Nichols(22 May 1878 at Wm. Nichols’ home, Magoffin Co, KY) and then Sally Nichols(30 Sept 1903 at Newton Pee Nihols’ home, Magoffin Co, KY).
ii. Re: Anderson Cole: I have his having MD Elizabeth Antrobus (b: May 1849 KY; D; 1905 KY?) with issue: William T. Cole ( b: 30 May 1889KY) On the 1900 census he is listed as Cherokee/Indian. Source/other notes I had:
May 2005, from “Bits & pieces of Magoffin Co, KY” court docs:
” 1886 Sept 6 to Oct 22: Thomas F. Arnett, Jailer, made claims:….Oct 22, committed Anderson Cole, worked(worker?) said Cole (was) on street in irons twice…”
iii. Re: Elizabeth Cole: I had the following notes:
Possible source for spouse/children, located May 2005 from OWT, to wit:
Elizabeth Cole
Born: 1839
[city], Clay, KY, USA
Died: 25 Apr 1903
[city], Owsley, KY, USA
To wit:DO above source. Possible spouse and issue:
William Brewer
Nancy Mary Brewer (B: 1854)
John Brewer (B: 1855)
Howell Brewer (B: 1859)
Family data:
William Brewer
Born: 1829 in [city], Hawkins, TN, USA
Died: 28 May 1895 in Sturgeon, Owsley, KY, USA
Marriage: 19 Jul 1853 in [city], Hawkins, TN, USA
Children Sex Birth
Nancy Mary Brewer F 5 Mar 1854
John Brewer M Mar 1855 in Macon, [county], IL, USA
Howell Brewer M 1859 in [city], Owsley, KY, US
iv. Re: Emanuel Cole…I had previously noted that he DID marry…wife only listed as Elizabeth UNK, b: KY. There IS a Emanuel Cole that was born in 1838 (which is NOT a far stretch) that enlisted in the Union Army for the Civil War…I just cannot know if this would be he or not at this juncture….he having mustered out of OH.
I suppose that is enough babbling for one nite….please reply in stead if this makes some sense or not…I’d surely like to put this “baby” to bed and have some semblance of knowing…LOL…wouldn’t we all? Thanks for the onlien “ear”. Blessings to you and yours~~~~Laurie
Aubrey, just received some notes from my cousin. My great uncle’s wife was Ida Hite married to Ed Fitts (Fitz). Their daughter Minnie born around 1908 married a Caleb Cole. I believe all these folk were in the Halifax County, Va. area. Ida Hite’s parents were Thomas Hite and Sarah James. Minnie passed on notes about visiting “reservation” and Indian family members. We know there is Native American on her father’s side and I believe the Cole and James surnames are connected with the Virginia native american lines. Have you seen any of these names in your research. Ed
HelloEd;
The name Caleb Cole rings a bell, as I have heard it mentioned by family somewhere, My grand mother said we were related to the James , I’ll try to locate some notes I may have on this and get back to you. My g-fa was the one who gave me the name Greywolf, said I was as devilish as a little wolf. but it was not on birth certificate.
as always
Aubrey G Cole
Ed;
Just found notes from Cole family Bible of Melvenia Jane Cole Smith Copied by Abijah H Cole’s Bible
It states: Mathew Cole my gg-grandfather who was 1/2 Cherokee Indian and his wife had a number of children in what is now known as Virginia, They were William,Jerome, Nathan,John, Jonothan, Aaron,James, Barbara, George G.,and Zerilda mother of Jesse James
Aubrey G Cole
Well folks….Aubrey, Jim…jusat as I start thinking that things are getting clearer…I dig some more and now find myself even more confused than ever. *sigh* Tracing up a tree or line before 1800 is tricky to say the least but from what others have and list and summize and post…there is some serious confusion as to who the patriarch of this clan was…the farther up you go…the more confusing it is. At this point I am perfectly uncertain who the father of John L/John/Jack/Jackson Cole really was…I think that likely numerous people have “merged” him with other John Cole’s and their subsequent wives and parented him with , from what I can now tell…3 DIFFERENT fathers: the men in the running now seem to be: 1. John Charles “Jack” Cole (md Cuzzie Anderson), 2. Matthew Cole (md Catherine “Kate” Magee), or 3. Charles Cole (md Nancy or Elizabeth UNK).
I suppose the best way to TRY and tacjkle this “baby” is to post everything we know or locate, as such I located the following…and yes, they arew quite conflicting.
1. Re: Aubrey’s recent post about a family bible listing of names of children of Matthew Cole & Catherine “Kate” Magee: Aubrey listed the following: William, Jerome, Nathan, John, Jonathan, Aaron, James, Barbara, George G., Zerilda. Coupling ALL of the OWT and FTM files…I located info that indicates that they could in fact have had the following children:
i. John L. (b: 9 Jan 1800 Lee Co, VA; MD: Margaret Higgins/Higginbottom/McClure/Higginbotham & Eliza Bowman; issue 7 CH)
ii. Lucy (b: 1802 Lee Co, VA; MD John B. Kirk; issue: 1 CH)
iii. Matthew Jr. (b: 1804 Lee Co, VA; d: bef 1860; MD: Mary Jane Cole? or Clareza UNK; issue: 12 CH)
iv. Katherine (b: 1810 Lee Co, VA; MD: Samuel Ellis; issue: 7 CH)
v. William (b: 12 apr 1812 Lee Co, VA; d: 12 Apr 1895 Clay Co, KY; MD: Matilda Cole; issue: 9 CH)
vi. Charles/Charley (b: 1810-1813 Lee Co, VA; d: 1859 Clay Co, KY; MD: Elizabeth H. Robertson; issue: 8 CH all b: Clay Co, KY)
vii. Aaron (b: 1815/1823 Lee Co, VA; no further data)
viii. George C or G. (b: 1816 Lee Co, VA; d: 2 Jun 1886 Clay Co, KY; MD: Mary Young Nicholson; issue: 7 CH)
ix. Nancy (b: 1820 Lee Co, VA; no further data)
x. Barbara (b: 1821 Lee Co, VA; MD: Wilmington Harris; issue: 2 CH)
xi. Susan/Susie (b: 1814/1824 Lee Co, VA; MD: UNK Warren; issue: 1 CH: Mary Cole Warren b: 1847)
xii. Abbott G. (b: 12 Apr 1812 *twin to William*; d: 1872 Jackson Co, KY; MD: Lucy Cole?;issue: 1 CH; MD 2: Winifred B. Hobbs; issue: 12 CH incl: Matthew b: 1832)
xiii. Jonathan (no data)
xiv. James (no data)
xv. Nathan (no data)
2. In looking at sourcing for Matthew and his family…some cite a 1810 Tax list in VA…I have personally not located this as yet.
3. I DID locate Matthew and Catherine in 1850 census in Owsley Co, KY showing: Mathew, 76 MD; Catherine, 68 VA; Susan, 26 VA, Mary, 2/3?, VA…I think we can assume that this is Mathew and his wife and their daughter Susan and her daughter Mary Cole Warren. On the very same census page were located: A. John Cole, 50, VA with his wife Margaret, 44, KY and CH: Jerome, 18; William, 14; Elizabeth, 11; Charles, 8; John, 5; Mary, 2 (all CH b: KY)…also listed on page: B. William, 33?, VA with wife Matilda, 27, VA; and CH: Martha (7, VA); Alexander (5, VA), Lucy (4, VA), Nancy (2, KY), & Aaron (2/12 mos, KY). * It appears that these were in fact Matthew & Catherine’s 2 sons and their subsequent families.*
4. When I attempted to locate Matthew and his family prior to index census listings…I found the following POSSIBLE listings: 1820 Lee Co, VA: 13 ppl in HH; 1830 Lee Co, VA: 12 ppl in HH (6 M, 5 F) also on same page: HH of Wm. Cole w/ 2 in HH 91 M, 1 F). I had no “luck” in 1840 locating them and prior to 1820, in the 1810 and 1800 census…again, I fell short of locating anything that remotely appeared to be they.
5. It appears that most ppl feel that Matthew Cole was b; 1774 in MD and d: 1850 in either Owsley Co, KY or Lee Co, VA….his wife Catherine “Kate” Magee b: 1782 VA; d: 1850 KY or VA? was reported as being the daughter of Noel Magee on one listing. They reported to have MD in 1800-1802 in Lee Co, VA on a few records. Some individual’s have made mention of a “Family Bible” much as Aubrey did…saying that Matthew was 1/2 Cherokee further stating that family members thru the generations have said likewise as well.
6. Matthew’s parentage is predominantly listed as he being the son of a William Cole & Anne Tarleton…with siblings: John, Charles, William & George…all names he did in fact choose for some of his children. a few others indicate that his parents were a Charles Cole & Nancy or Elizabeth UNK and that he had a brother named John G. Cole who md a Nancy UNK. It is not much to go on but perhaps either could be fitting and further examined?
The majority of this data is from trees and PAF and rootsweb searching…many of the postings do NOT have an “owner” or compiler attached to them…they are simply hanging out there in “genealogy limbo” for ppl like us to locate and paruse and be miffed about. A FEW researchers did post their names and email addy and has sources for some of the data…they include:
1. PAF @ rootsweb by Wanda Courtney, dated 2002, email: kylady@bellsouth.net (She had listed sons of Matthew plus others not mentioned by other including: Jonathan, James and Nathan…also mentioned by Aubrey from the Family Bible)
2. OWT and Rootsweb/Genealogy.com Home page PAF of Barb Norvell, Title: Cole, Warren, Roberts; email: barbnor2@yahoo.com
Home page URL: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/n/o/r/Barbara-E-Norvell/index.html
*Note: this is a very extensive homepage with a thorough index and some RIGHT NEAT PICS too! She “finds” her “connection” to our Cole’s as such: Charles Sr Cole 1750 MD Sarah UNK….to Charles Sr II Cole 1770 MD Elizabeth Stoneman…..to Charles Jr. Cole 1803 MD Elizabeth Haga….to David M. Cole 1830 MD America Minerva Parks (he being her G G gpa)…she shows the descendancy of Matthew beginning with Charles who MD Nancy or Elizabeth down to Matthew who MD Catherine. …his brother Charles (b: 1770 in NC or MD)being her reported Charles Sr who MD Eliza. Stoneman. She lists Matthew & Catherine as having had 12 CH. Her Cole line is predominantly from in and around Grayson Co, VA…she indexes 1622 different Cole relatives in her tree.
If anyone has any ideas as to how I (or we) can further examine this Matthew Cole/Catherine “Kate” Magee and their up and down connections…PLEASE pass it along…we obviously can use all the help afforded us! Thanks again for the online interest and patience too! *wink*
Blessings until anon~~~~Laurie
BlondeyeLaurie;
Aaron Cole went to Mexico with General Scott during the Mexican War and never Returned.
I will be sending you notes I have from past family members Monday as soon as I can get to town and copy them.
Ain’t this more fun than going to a goat roping?
Love yaaaaaaaaaa
Aubrey G Cole aka Greywolf and proud of it
Ha ha ha….this is NEARLY as much fun as goat roping…and ALMOST as much fun as Crawdad gigging….although gee, frogging aint half bad either. Are you craving some squirrel gravy yet? Or maybe some groundhog cabobs? Tee hee….I have a few funny tales about such…save those “morsels” for later I will. Thanks bunches and lots…I greatly appreciate your kindness. I look forward to hearing/seeing/locating MORE…getting greedy ain’t I? Tarcarion must be off fishing….hope he catches only Ghar….get in here mister and help a blonde out will ya? I’m dopey and well, Aubrey’s “aging”…we could use some fresh dirt on all of this! (((((hugs))))) til later~~~Laurie
blondeyeLaurie
Well guess what,? I have done them all , caught and eaten crawfish,frogs’groundhogs,and squirrel gravy and hey gar are good eating just ask and Cajun.Just put a post on cole and bowman families look at it going to play a game of donkey basketball;
Aubrey
Does anyone have a civil war hero in their family by the name of James Jas Perkins or James Shemes?
Hope to hear from someone?
scylar148
Hello Anita *waves* Sorry for the delay in getting back with you but when I re-read your last post just now I found your grandma’s name right on my files! I had her because of her marriage to William Jennings Gibson (1903-2003)….I have his family in one of my lines as it is. If you need further info on his family…I have them upward 9 more generations. *wink* The quick upward ancestry goes as such: Wm. Jennings Gibson’s parents: Finley Gibson & Nola Florence Bryant….his parents: James Hibson & Polly MNU…his parents: Finley Gibson & Jane Gatliff…his parents: James Gibson & Mary Finley…his parents: James Thomas Gibson & Sarah Roark…hsi parents: Valentine Gibson & Elizabeth Frances Garrett…his parents: Thomas Gibson & Mary Frances Allen…his parents: Nicholas Gibson & Mary Martin…his parents: Thomas Gibson & Elizabeth South (they all for a few generations downward originating in Chesquack Parrish, York Co, VA.
I hope this proves helpful for the paternal side..thank you kindly for sharing your family ascention. Take care~~~~Laurie
Hi, names on my mother’s side are: Caywood, Courtney, Moore, Veach, Thompson, Martin, Davis, Tomlinson, Mendenhall, Shrader, Kimble/Kimbler, Cox, Mostellar, Smallwood, Berry, Rickabaugh, Griffith, Haley to name a few.
My father’s side: Christian, Ford/Faure, Chastain, Bondurant, Leake, Batman/Bateman, Lewellyn, Vernon, Powers, Austin, Lemmon/Lemon, Reed, McCartney, Baylor, Woodson, Tucker, Winston, Mask, Ferris, Larcome, Browne, Hambleton, Hickman, Isbell, Ketchum, Tinsley, Chisholm, Cooke, Webber, Eastham, Thacker, Conway, Eltonhead, Dabney.
I will be happy to share what information I have on these families.
Kathleen
saj wrote: To add to the previous surnames…
The Hunt line married into Smith, Taylor, Butler, Hunter, Graves, Etc. and the Allen into Hudson, Melton, White, Howard (that’s Hunt and Howard as well as Allen and Howard) Scott, Bruce, Coleman, Richardson, Owen, Grant, Pulliam, Burton, Lewis, Anderson, Rhodes and Lowery and who knows who all as the families were so large…Sue J
Hello, I saw the name Melton in your post. My mother was a Melton. I joined this forum to find out information on my father’s surname, Davis but I saw your post and had to reply. My brother has researched and found a lot of information on the Melton’s of North Carolina. I think his databases are still available if you’d like to see those.
Blessings and love!
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