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Hey White Hawk,
Thanks for your reply to my post. My Francis Wright, b. around 1660, in Middlesex Co., VA was married to a Mary “Ann” Hill. She was born around 1663 in Lancaster Co., VA, died around 1720, Lancaster Co., Va. Her parents were Charles and Mary LNU (Last Name Unknown) Hill, no dates, no place. That’s all the info I have on me at this time. I guess this winter, I need to do some more research… 🙂
My Walker line is connected to my Gibson line. My first Finley Gibson married Jane Gatliff. Her nother was a Walker, whose mother was a Wilcoxson, who’s mother was Sarah Cassandra Boone, sister of Daniel Boone.
I don’t have anything on my Allen line yet, except that she married one of my direct Gibson line ancestors.
Anita B. aka Sparrow
Hi Saj,
I don’t know if you’re still around. This is a reply to an old post. Maybe you’ve gotten past this. While searching through the forums today I found mention of your Hurt ancestor. Moses Hurt, I believe.
This is what I have found–not all verified but closing in on it.
Descendants of John Hurt
Generation No. 1
1. JOHN1 HURT was born Abt. 1700 in King William Co, VA, and died Bef. 25 May 1754. He married MARGARET UNKNOWN. She was born Abt. 1700, and died 1755.
Children of JOHN HURT and MARGARET UNKNOWN are:
2. i. JOEL2 HURT, b. Abt. 1738, Pamunkey Neck, King William Co, VA; d. Aft. 1815, Greene Co, GA.
3. ii. MOSES HURT, b. 1718, Pamunkey Neck, King William Co, VA; d. 1806, Bedford Co, VA.
4. iii. JOHN HURT, b. Abt. 1720; d. 1796, Surrey Co, NC.
iv. JOSEPH HURT, b. Abt. 1720.
v. MARGARET HURT, b. Abt. 1720, Virginina; d. 1834, McNairy Co, TN; m. WILLIAM G GILLENTINE; b. 1745, Amelia Co, VA; d. 1786, Halifax Co, VA.
vi. TABITHA HURT, b. Abt. 1720, Pamunkey Neck, King William Co, VA; d. Bef. 1790, Halifax Co, VA; m. JOHN HENDRICK, 19 Feb 1741, Amelia Co, VA; b. Abt. 1720, Pamunkey Neck, King William Co, VA; d. Amelia Co, VA.
vii. WILLIAM HURT, b. Abt. 1720.
Generation No. 2
2. JOEL2 HURT (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1738 in Pamunkey Neck, King William Co, VA, and died Aft. 1815 in Greene Co, GA. He married (1) MARY SARAH ANDERSON. He married (2) TABITHA COLLINS 1768 in Halifax Co, VA, daughter of JAMES COLLINS and ELIZABETH GILLENTINE. She was born 1746 in Amelia Co, VA, and died 21 Sep 1821 in Spencer, KY,.
Notes for JOEL HURT:
Rev. War Patriot
Pay Roll of Capt. Jesse Clay’s
Company in lower Battallion
of Militia of Wilkes Co.
Jesse Clay, Capt.
Henry English, Clerk
William Richardson, Sgt.
Walton Whatley, Sgt.
Joel Hurt, Sgt.
‘They Were Here,’ Georgia Genealogical Records, vol 1, edited by Frances
Wynd. Publ. 1965 -1971
Children of JOEL HURT and MARY ANDERSON are:
i. WILLIAM3 HURT, b. 1756; d. 1812.
ii. ELISHA HURT, b. Abt. 1758, Halifax Co, NC; d. 1829, Warren Co, GA; m. PRISCILLA BRINKLEY, Halifax Co, NC.
Notes for ELISHA HURT:
He was probably born in about 1758. he moved to Warren County, Ga. where we find him buying land there as early as 1796. He died there in 1829. His will, dated 3-24-1829, probated on 4-6-1829, and recorded in Warren County, Ga. on 5-20-1829 in Will Book 1810-1829, pages 191-194, names three children as follows: (1) Benjamin Hurt, (2) William Hurt, (3) Polly Hurt, married Austin Baker. Elisha Hurt did not mention his wife in his will, which seems to indicate that she had predeceased him. His wife’s name was Priscilla Brinkley Hurt, daughter of Judith Brinkley of Halifax County, N. C. Judith Brinkley mentions Prescilla Hurt as her daughter in her will dated 6-20-1797, probated at the November 1799 Term of Court and recorded in Halifax County, N. C. in Will Book 3, page 322. (10A21)”.
Children of JOEL HURT and TABITHA COLLINS are:
iii. LUCY3 HURT, b. Abt. 1770; d. Bef. 1826, Perry Co, Al /Perry Co., AL; m. PHELPS HAYNES, Abt. 1789; b. 04 Jul 1770, Bedford, Va; d. 1849, Hayne’s Mill, Noxubee Co, Ms.
Notes for PHELPS HAYNES:
Rev. War Patriot
Pay Roll of Capt. Jesse Clay’s
Company in lower Battallion
of Militia of Wilkes Co.
Phelps Haynes P. 122
‘They Were Here,’ Georgia Genealogical Records, vol 1, edited by Frances
Wynd. Publ. 1965 -1971
iv. WILLIAM C HURT, b. 1780, Spartanburg Co. South Carolina; d. Aft. 1850, Clarke Co, Ms; m. LUCY ANN HAYNES; b. 1785; d. Bef. 1857, Clarke Co, Ms.
3. MOSES2 HURT (JOHN1) was born 1718 in Pamunkey Neck, King William Co, VA, and died 1806 in Bedford Co, VA. He married RUTH TURNER Abt. 1748 in Caroline Co, VA.
Children of MOSES HURT and RUTH TURNER are:
i. JAMES3 HURT.
ii. ELISHA HURT.
iii. NATHAN HURT.
iv. WILLIAM HURT.
v. LITTLEBERRY HURT.
vi. MARY HURT.
vii. APPHIA HURT, m. MICAHAH STONE, Aft. 1771, Bedford Co, VA.
viii. BETHSHEBA HURT, b. 1765, Bedford Co, VA; d. 15 May 1852, Henry Co, VA; m. STEPHEN TURNER STONE, Bedford Co, VA.
4. JOHN2 HURT (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1720, and died 1796 in Surrey Co, NC. He married MARY POLLY KING.
Children of JOHN HURT and MARY KING are:
i. JOEL3 HURT.
ii. JOHN HURT.
iii. WILLIAM HURT.
iv. ROBERT KING HURT.
v. CHARLES HURT.
vi. ELIZABETH HURT.
vii. JAMES HURT.
viii. SARA HURT.
ix. MARTHA HURT.
x. THOMAS HURT.
My ancestor was Joel Hurt who married Tabitha Collins. They had a daughter. Lucy Hurt who married Phelps Haynes.
storyteller
Hi Storyteller!
Thanks for the info. Looks like another connection here. I noticed in the Welcome section you had posted surnames and one was Hanks. Have you seen the info on the Hanks on the melungeon.com website? Two of Memucan Allens (one of my lines) children married into the Hanks family in Ky. Elizabeth married Chichester (married a Penney too) and Joseph married Lucy Hanks. Interesting! What Hanks do you have? Saj
Saj,
I didn’t realize you were a Hurt. I have Hurts from Pittsylvania County, VA.
Also, I have Byrd. In fact interestingly enough Robert Byrd was bound out to Moses Hurt:
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Brooks_Byrd.htm
iv. ?Robert2, born about 1759, called a “free Mulatto” on 26 February 1767 when the Amelia County court ordered the churchwardens of Nottoway Parish to bind him to Moses Hurt, Jr. [Orders 1766-9, 36]. He was head of a Pittsylvania County household of 6 “free colored” in 1820 [VA:781]. He registered in Pittsylvania County on 11 September 1822: a bright Mulatto Man about sixty three years of age about five feet three inches high, he has black hair nearly straight somewhat mixed with grey hairs [Griffith, Pittsylvania County Register of Free Negroes, no. 35].
Have you checked the Dawes Rolls, there were a few Hurts.
Hi saj,
I’ve read some of the info on the Hanks on the melungeon sites. I was lucky early on because I have a “genealogy angel” out there. I had only the name of my great-grandmother on that side of the family and nothing else for sure–just some rumors. I posted what I knew (and suspected) on a couple of message boards and my great-grandmother’s nephew sent me an email 2 days before Christmas! He told me who she was, gave me tons of information about her, and even told me my great-grandfather’s name (I guess so that I would know that he was on the “up and up”. A number of years ago, Adin Baber published a book called “The Hanks Family of Virginia & Westward”. He died several years ago and his daughter decided to do an updated version of it a couple of years ago. My “angel” was the co-author of the revised edition. We’ve been in contact since then. The Hanks are originally from England. My line lived in MD for a while and then started heading south. Peter Hanks II was born in MD and married Elizabeth Wyatt from VA. Their son, also Peter, was born in VA, married Isabel Stewart from NC, went to IN and was killed at Tippacanoe. His oldest son, Wyatt Hanks was born in NC, lived in IN, married Hannah Gates from Kentucky, and moved to AR before settling in TX. A couple of his brothers followed him as well as his widowed mother (after a brief unsuccessful remarriage!)
I have the book. I’ll look up your ancestors.
storyteller 🙂
Saponi 1 wrote:
iv. ?Robert2, born about 1759, called a “free Mulatto” on 26 February 1767 when the Amelia County court ordered the churchwardens of Nottoway Parish to bind him to Moses Hurt, Jr. [Orders 1766-9, 36]. He was head of a Pittsylvania County household of 6 “free colored” in 1820 [VA:781]. He registered in Pittsylvania County on 11 September 1822: a bright Mulatto Man about sixty three years of age about five feet three inches high, he has black hair nearly straight somewhat mixed with grey hairs [Griffith, Pittsylvania County Register of Free Negroes, no. 35].
Have you checked the Dawes Rolls, there were a few Hurts.
Hi Saponi 1,
I tried your link but must have gotten sidetracked. I’m self-diagnosed with ADD. I never found this particular paragraph. By the way, how do “you check the Dawes Rolls”? (I’m new to this.) BUT, I did find another site that was interesting. Maybe someone else posted it on this forum…hum.
You follow the links and can see the names of the “black Indians” of different tribes. It has most of the surnames from my maternal grandmother’s side of the family on at least one of the lists (and sometimes on several of the lists!)
http://www.melungeons.com/genealogy/blackindianslist.htm
Now I need to learn how to properly use the “Indian Rolls”.
storyteller:p
Two of Memucan Allens (one of my lines) children married into the Hanks family in Ky. Elizabeth married Chichester (married a Penney too) and Joseph married Lucy Hanks.
Hi Saj,
I just got the chance to look at my book on the Hanks family. I found your Allens. Chichester Hanks was married to Elizabeth Allen. Joseph Allen married Lucy Hanks who was the daughter of Pitman Hanks—Chichester’s brother. Both Chichester and Pitman were from Luke Hanks’ line. They were 1st cousins to Abraham Hanks, the grandfather of Abraham Lincoln.
source: “The Hanks Family of Virginia and Westward” by Adin Baber.
storyteller
I’ve been thinking Lincoln’s looks kind of reminded me of what I’ve seen of some mixed blooded folks.
Linda,
I found a picture of a portrait of Nancy Hanks Lincoln (Abe’s mother) online this morning. She did not look like any of the “white bread” ancestors that everyone says that “Americans” are descended from.
I don’t know if this is allowed. I’m going to try to post the names of direct ancestors born in the Eastern U.S before 1800. Usually, I only post names for my maternal grandmother’s side of the family and even then, only the most frequent or recent ones. These include some of my paternal grandmother’s lines and my paternal grandfather’s lines that lived in the same area. Some of the names appear more than once–this is to show how long they were in an area or a SMALL part of their “migration pattern.
Also, I kept looking for “Melungeon counties” or “Native American counties”. I only realized the other night that some of these counties were formed from or became the above mentioned counties. I live in San Francisco, have never been to these places and am “geographically challenged”.
Beard 1777 prob. VA
Beez 1680 Anne Arundel, MD,
Berry 1780 VA
Coley 1755 NC
Coley 1788 Sampson, NC
Collins 1746 Amelia Co, VA
Daniel 1742 Goochland Co, VA
Davis 1779 probably NC or SC
Dekle 1792 Effingham, GA
Dison 1640 VA
Echols 1676 VA
Elliott 1723 Perquimans, NC
Gates 1795 TN
Gillentine 1720 VA
Hancock 1760 GA
Hanks 1737 Anne Arundel, MD
Hanks 1673 Anne Arundel, MD,
Hanks 1707 Anne Arundel, MD,
Hanks 1630 Gloucester Co, VA
Hanks 1765 Loudoun, VA
Hanks 1795 Rutherford, NC
Hardin Abt. 1766 Rutherford Co, NC
Haynes 1770 Bedford Co, VA
Haynes 1794 Green, GA
Haynes 1701 King & Queen Co, VA
Haynes 1731 Spotsylvania, VA
Holcombe 1595
Horn Abt. 1745 Edgecombe, NC
Horn 1793 GA
Horn Bef. 1690 Nansemond Co, VA
Hurt Abt. 1738 King William Co, VA
Hurt Abt. 1700 King William Co, VA
Hyde Abt. 1799 MD
Jung 1740 PA
Kaldenbach 1752 PA
Kuntz 1737 Philadelphia, PA
Lee 1630 Gloucester, VA
Neal 1691 Edgecombe, NC
Pearson 1746 NC
Pearson 1722 Perquimans, NC
Perkinson 1685 Dinwiddie, VA
Perkinson 1713 Henrico Co, VA
Perkinson 1670 Henrico Co., VA
Perry 1810 GA
Phelps 1706 Bedford Co, VA
Phelps 1732 Goochland Co, VA
Phelps 1683 Goochland, VA
Phelps 1665 Goochland, VA
Pride 1686 Henrico Co, VA
Pride 1642 Henrico, VA
Pritlowe 1699 Perquimans, NC
Ratcliff 1775 Kershaw, SC
Ratcliff Abt. 1730 Talbot Co, MD
Ratcliff 1700 Talbot Co, Md
Smith Abt. 1708 Gloucester Co, VA
Smith 1662 Middlesex Co, VA
Stewart 1774 Rutherford, NC
Traylor 1670 Henrico Co, VA
Traylor 1733 Henrico Co., VA
Traylor 1798 Macon Co., GA
Traylor 1761 VA
Vivian 1684 Middlesex Co, VA
Vivion 1655 Middlesex Co, VA
Watkins 1712 Henrico Co, VA
Watkins 1637 Henrico Co, VA
Watkins 1678 Henrico Co, VA
Wyatt 1747 Loudoun, VA
Young (Jung) 1778 Montgomery Co, PA
storyteller 🙂
Adding some more surnames to the overall list…
Originating in Nansemond County, Virginia and marrying into the Gabriel Holland family after 1620.
Holland (Nansemond VA to Greene Co GA to near Lawrence Co Indiana), Winburn, Edmunds, Rickman, McBee or Duncan, Foster.
The Licking County, Ohio, bunch. Data from 1760.
Green (RI to Maryland to VA to Licking County), Rhoads, Beem, Pitzner.
Todd Family Data from 1760.
Todd ) PA to Maryland to Tazewell CO VA to Madison Co Kentucky to Lawrence CO Indiana), Sipes (or Seip), Brooks, Helton, Henderson, Allen
The Moravian folks Data from 1787.
Klaiss (or Kleis, Kliess, Kleizs, Klaas, etc), Young (Jung), Johnson (see below). (Klaiss and Jung from PA to Seneca County Ohio, to Melmore, Iowa, to Osceola, MO)
Johnson Family Data from 1790s
Johnson (from Scotland to NC to VA to Pike Co OH, to Wapello Co Iowa, to Republic Co Kansas) Adkinson, Houk (includes Conner), Jung (see above), Bowen.
Quakers from SE VA and NE NC. Data from 1560
About a gazillion surnames, exhaustively researched, no suspected Indian connection. Major lines include Pearson, Winslow, Baldwin, Hollowell, Clare.
Jones Family. Data from 1660s.
Jones (Va to Kentucky to Brown Co Ohio.) Dye, Applegate, Laycock, Park, Davis, Shields.
Lines with strongly suspected Indian connections are Holland and the Jung/Klaiss Moravians. The Hollands likely have SE VA/NC connections through Ester Edmunds, as well as the Winburn and Rickman lines. Possible connections include the Green, Todd and Henderson lines. In depth details to follow as time allows in new threads specific to each line.
You better add your Greens as suspected NA. I am convinced we have to be connected, given that our Greens were both in the same areas. My Greens were Shawnee.
Techteach
PS: I also have Rhoads too. I have been suspicious of that line, but I can’t prove or disprove it. The MtDNA test was European, but that does not account for all of lines. And my Rhoads were in Fort Wayne in 1814. Joseph is buried in Tuscarawas County, OH.
Thanks, Techteach, I’ve made that change. You’re right, those locations for our Greens are too numerous for it to be coincidental. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Shawnee got “edited out” of my family tree.
I showed a photo of both great grandfather Johnson and his wife, a Beem descendant of the Green and Rhoads lines, to a coworker. The immediate reaction I got was “They’re part Indian, aren’t they?” Great grandfather’s mother was from the Klaiss/Jung Moravian line.
Linda wrote: I’ve been thinking Lincoln’s looks kind of reminded me of what I’ve seen of some mixed blooded folks.
Re:Message #218
Linda,you’re not the 1st to say that!
In the series “Sex and Race” by J.A. Rogers (AA historian),Volume 2,pg. 379,(c-1942),he mentions a contest by RKO-Keith,the theatrical company,to find the man who most resembled Abraham Lincoln.
In January,1940,Thomas Bomar,Esq.,of Washington,DC was told he was the winner.
However,it came to light later on that Attorney Bomar was part-black.At
the premiere of the movie,”Abe Lincoln in Illinois”,for which the contest had been sponsored as a promotional item,he sat up front.No mention was made
of the contest,RKO-Keith and others being crestfallen that Lincoln’s double
turned out to be an AA.
Also,on the History Channel there was a segment on “Weird USA” either
in 2004 or 2005 about the Melungeons.(Don’t misunderstand;that was the name of the series.I don’t see one’s ancestry as “weird”.)Their segment on the Melungeons mentioned rumors that President Lincoln,Elvis Presley,and
a well-known former Hollywood actress (forgot her name) may have been
of that ethnicity.
Roca
I’m working on my Dameron family but don’t have very much….Can anyone help me out here?
I have: #1-John Dameron Married to Elizabeth…W.Va. don’t have any dates or places on them though.
#2-Stephen Dameron b. 1850 married to Polley b. 1856…..W.VA.
#3-
John
Nathan
Minerva J. b. 1888 Logan W.VA d. May 1965
Thanks,
Debi
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