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Hi Linda,
Here’s the link that you asked about.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8381
This is an interesting website. I looked around for photos of famous people with the same last name as my ancestors–including the Cajuns. There was an officer who served in the Civil War whose last name was Hebert (I forgot what the first name was) He definitely looked racially mixed. (I’ve heard that at least one of my ancestors had married a Micmac, but I’ve never seen any proof. Besides, I’ve never seen a Micmac so I don’t know what they look like.)
storyteller
roca wrote: Their segment on the Melungeons mentioned rumors that President Lincoln,Elvis Presley,and
a well-known former Hollywood actress (forgot her name) may have been
of that ethnicity.
Roca
I believe that it was Ava Gardner who played the part of an “octaroon” in the film version of the musical “Showboat”.
storyteller
Ava Gardner is, if I’ve got the story straight, connected to what’s now the Lumbee community of Robeson county.
Thanks for the link to the Mary Lincoln photo, though I have my doubts that’s her. She died in 1818, before the advent of photography, and her family was too poor to have likely had a portrait done by an artist.
Hi Linda,
I don’t remember where, but I have seen pictures of that same portrait before. (That’s just the one that I’ve seen the most recently.) I don’t remember how they explained there being a portrait done of her. I may be imagining it, but it seems like some one said that the portrait was kept by her son, Abe.
Now, that I think of it, there might be a copy of that portrait on the melungeon.com site. I KNOW that I’ve seen it before.
storyteller
Here’s another link to the portrait. Adin Baber is a descendant of the Hanks family and wrote, “The Hanks Family of Virginia & Westward.
http://www.baberfamilytree.org/photos/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=0
storyteller
Ah! Ha! I found the explanation. I knew that I had seen this portrait. But Linda’s arguments were sound–I just hadn’t thought about it before. I knew that it was not a photograph and hadn’t thought about that no one would have had the money to do a portrait before she died. Although Abe would later have money, he didn’t have any when she died.
For those who are interested, follow the link:
http://www.cr.nps.gov/NR/twhp/wwwlps/lessons/126libo/126visual5.htm
storyteller
Thanks for taking the time to find this. Looking at it close, it definitely does look like a modern painted portrait. I hope I didn’t put you through too much trouble, or sound like I was challenging your data in any significant way.
No problem, Linda! If I would have thought about it, I would have come up with the same arguments. As far as putting my through too much trouble, I should have checked it out again before I mentioned it. Sometimes, I get excited as a young puppy about something and you have to tap me on the nose with a newspaper to get my attention.
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I didnt relize how much research I had not done thought i would add to my list of new knowledge
Robbins N.C Anderson N.C /S.C
Maddox Va/N.C Reaves Brunswick N.C
Battle Va
Horn Edgecombe county N.C Morris Edgecombe N.C
Sellers Edgecombe N.C Pender Ga
Williams Edgecombe N.C Taylor Edgecombe N.C
Sawyers Greene County G.A Wilson Autaga County Ga
Dew Nash N.C Parker Walton County Ga
Horn N.C Va Daws
Just thought I would update my knew knowledge under surnames 🙂 🙂
Hi Lentz of NC,
My maternal grandmother’s father’s name was Joe BEARD. His mother’s name was Mary Frances HAYNES. She was born in 1856 in Jasper Co, TX. Her father was born in AL and married a woman Mary Ann HORN who was born in GA. Her father was Aurin Goodgame HORN. His father was Moses HORN (Jr.) who seems to have been married twice. From what I’ve seen, Aurin was supposedly from a mother other than Moses’ legal wife. However, I’ve read that, after the death of the first wife, Moses married Aurin’s mother (or at least recognized his son from the union) Aurin’s mother was named Sally GOODGAME. And Aurin, in records, went from being called Aurin Horn GOODGAME to being called Aurin Goodgame HORN. (This was the first line where I suspected NA ancestry, but I haven’t been able to find “proof”.)
Anyway, I have that Moses HORN (Jr.) was born in Edgecombe Co, NC. Moses HORN Sr. died in Edgecombe Co, NC, but I don’t know where he was born. I have that his father, William was born in Nansemond Co, VA and died in Edgecombe Co, NC. I have suspected siblings of both Moses’ HORN’s, but haven’t been able to verify all of them. Moses HORN Sr.’s siblings seem to have all died around Edgecombe, Wayne, & Bertie Co, NC.
Mary Frances HAYNES’ family also seems to have migrated from King & Queen Co, VA (in the mid-1700s) through Spotsylvania, Caroline, Orange, and Bedford Counties, VA. They kept on going through to several counties in GA, MS, and finally to East TX. (They were there by the mid-1800s.)
Are we cousins?
😀
Karen
nativelady wrote: Thanks for doing this again.
Good evening, Of record my family are listed as “Pleasants”.
Our surnames are Coleman, Rice, Lacks and Collins on moms side. All from Halifax County Virginia. Great great grand mother Ellen Rice and John Coleman. —— daughter Mary Coleman (Rice) maiden name.
Richard Pleasant(Collins)
My dads surnames- “Burns” from GA and “Brown” from Hanover County Virginia.
I’m having a hard time tracking down my great, great grandmother who was reported to be Monacan. She married a William Coleman (probably from Amherst). The problem is I have no idea what her surname was as the family refused to let the family Bible be shown because *gasp* there was an Indian in it. The grandmother’s name was said to have been Amanda, but in the census records she was listed as Pamelia.
I had a hard time accepting that the family referred to her as “the brown one” and were so insistent on keeping her heritage a secret, but considering the Plecker Law that came into being I guess it was somewhat due to protecting the family from being labelled as black. Not to mention William’s brother was a slave owner and supposedly his marrying an Indian caused a big split in the family and between the brothers.
Have you by any chance come across any William Coleman’s in your ancestry? Jesse Coleman? Amanda or Pamelia or Amelia Coleman?
Hi to all!
Just got back from Canada. So late in replying to this.
Saponi I that is really interesting…the Hurt info.
And the Hanks..thanks Storyteller. I know that Chichester and Elizabeth Hanks are buried in the Old Salt River Baptist church cemetery in Anderson co Ky. I thought this Hanks family came from Va. North Farnham? Need to search a bit more…saj
I will give you what I have, I havent searched the Horn name as much as Robbins I have David Micheal Horn (B) 1721-1790 married a Laurney Robbins
They had a few children Absolom, Elias,Caswell, Micheal, Delilah, Dicey, Charity, Polly, Bersheba. I khow that Caswell Horn married a lady name Polly They had Martha Ann 1832, Harriet Jane 1834, jane Delilah 1836, James Richard 1838, Joseph Ceswell 1844, William Thomas 1847, Ann Louise 1848
This is what I know so far . Let me know what you think!:) Nice meeting you
Lentz:)
lentz of nc wrote: I have David Micheal Horn (B) 1721-1790 married a Laurney Robbins
They had a few children Absolom, Elias,Caswell, Micheal, Delilah, Dicey, Charity, Polly, Bersheba. I khow that Caswell Horn married a lady name Polly They had Martha Ann 1832, Harriet Jane 1834, jane Delilah 1836, James Richard 1838, Joseph Ceswell 1844, William Thomas 1847, Ann Louise 1848
Lentz:)
Nice meeting you too Lentz. I have William Horn of Nansemond Co, VA (born bef. 1790) who married Margaret Mae Neal (b. 1791) in Edgecombe Co, NC. Although it says that they both died in NC, I have that they married in VA and the first 2 of 8 children seem to have been born in VA. I haven’t found where the rest were born. Most or all of them seemed to have died in Edgecombe, Bertie, & Wayne Co, NC. Of course this could be wrong. My ancestor was Moses Horn (1719-1782). No place of birth, but he died in Edgecombe Co. I show that he had a younger named David Michael Horn. I show that his wife’s name was Luraney Robbins. I don’t show any of their children. I looked to see if any of the names of their children showed up as family names in my lines. I thought that I had seen another Absolom and/or Bersheba somewhere, but couldn’t find them. I do have 4 Delilahs. Only one was a Horn–she was the 3rd great-grandniece of David Michael. Two were Delilah Haynes (My Horns frequently married into the Haynes) And one Delilah Greer. (The Greers were also popular marriage partners among that set.) :rolleyes:
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