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beeleaf wrote: Mwheelus, could you refresh my memory as to the locations of these families? All 3 surnames are familiar to me, from my neck of the woods (Goinstown area). Goins and Nash married us.
Ok well to be perfectly honest I am not clear on where Goinstown is/was. From the few relatives I may have found that trace back to VA, NC, & SC none of them agree where Goinstown was and if our relatives were there ….that may be because they live in Oklahoma and disagree with each other. Ya’ll can give me a better idea I am sure.:)
Now the tricky part, Phillip Goins was father to a Jeremiah Goins that had MANY children and they eventually migrated to Texas then Oklahoma. (Jeremiah has other story connected to my family that isn’t relative to this information;) )
Phillip Goins is also father to Michael Goins that he had with Keziah/Kiziah/Kizzy Nash. Phillip was born in either MS or SC abt 1785. He was bonded in marriage to Keziah Nash in 1815 in Natchitoches, LA. Their children were legitimized then after having been born in MS in 1811 and 1813.
Keziah’s father was Thomas Nash born in Chowan NC in either 1753/1764 depending on who I talk to. Her mother is possibly Anna Goins who I have no information on or Emily Sarah Slater born in VA abt 1767. Once again there is an argument as to which woman was her mother and if Anna Goins was a Goins from a first marriage or that was her maiden name. Here is a list of Keziah’s siblings and their approx birth year:
BORN
Michael Nash abt 1804
Martha Patsy 1787
Fanny 1793
William 1785/1782
Thomas Jr. 1785/1782
Elizabeth 1794
Rebecca “Becky” 1801
Mary Polly Born 6-6-1781 Died 9-14-1855 (pic of her grave)
Goss is my husband’s family and the woman I am looking for help on was married to Mathew/Matthew Goss born abt 1790 in Anderson Co, SC died 12/18/1883 in Locust Grove, Henry Co, Georgia. He married the “Cherokee” woman “Diais/Diasis Rampas/ Diasampi Dalrymple?” abt 1808 in Pendleton District, SC.
Here is some additional information that I was given about Matthew Goss:
He drew a land allotment from the governor, Henry Middleton, on the second day of November 1812 which comprised 150 acres located on th waters of the Upper Long Branch Creek in the Barnwelr District. This may be in Barnwall, SC.
Date: 8 MAR 1832 Place: applied for 2 draws Gold Lottery Habersham Co., GA Date: 21 JUN 1813 Place: served in Nash’s Regiment South Carolina Volunteers Date: 20 JUN 1814 Place: Capt. Andrew Hamilton’s Co., SC Militia Place: 1820, 1830 census of Pendleton Dist. SC.
1880 District 567, Henry Co., GA
Mathew Goss, 99, SC, Farmer, SC, SC
Eveline Goss 72, GA, At Home, GA, GA
Wilford M. Goss 28, GA, At Home, GA, GA
Margaret Goss 21, GA, At Home, GA, GA
1870 Henry Co., GA Census
Goss, Matthew, 80, M, Farmer, Property worth 1000, 380, SC
Goss, Eveline, 56, F, Keeping House, SC
Goss, Wilford, 21, M, GA
Goss, Hulda?, 25, F, GA
Goss, James, 15, M, Farmhand, GA
Goss, Margret, 12, F, GA
Sorry to make this so long but I am hoping someone sees a familiar name or place from their own searches.
Monica
Ok well to be perfectly honest I am not clear on where Goinstown is/was.
Hi. Sorry ’bout that. Seemed easier to just use Goinstown at the time. The actual place was in what is now Rockingham County, NC (see the map in the link below). But many people include in the Goinstown area the counties of Stokes and I think part of Surry in NC, as well as the VA counties of Henry (which is directly adjacent to Rockingham) and Patrick. There is a map somewhere of all those counties…may be missing one or two, but that is the gist of it. If your peeps came from Pittsylvania, Floyd, Franklin, or even Grayson Co, VA they were not far from there. Or, in NC, Guilford, Alamance, Davidson are near. Part of Orange is somewhat close, but if you go further back, it was very close. The Goins and Nashes I know are from Henry and Patrick CO. Hope that is not too much info.
Where Goinstown was, and the graves still are:
http://northcarolina.hometownlocator.com/maps/feature-map,ftc,3,fid,1953021,n,Goinstown.cfm
Ok Beeleaf, where you are telling me and the response I got in a PM is about where I had thought it was. I am still hunting for that elusive, maybe his name was…. father to my Phillip Goins. I have found in all the research on the web, and in a few things sent to me that it was Stephen Goins. I also have heard that is not his name but a name made up for convenience, that couldn’t be thoroughly researched, when my line of Goins were trying to be recognized by the Choctaw Nation. I have found that Goins and Nash families in my background have intermarried over and over again. Sisters marry brothers, then those children marry 1st, 2nd cousins, men marry their 2nd and 3rd wives from opposite family and have more children. We were a tight knit group to say the least.
…father to my Phillip Goins. I have found in all the research on the web, and in a few things sent to me that it was Stephen Goins.
Oh, ok. I am sort of related to a Stephen Goins from Patrick County, VA. May or may not be the one you are looking for. (Could be the wrong generation) Best I can tell, there were 2 Stephen Goins in PC. One of them was referred to as a FPC. One of them was the father of my ggggrandpop’s first wife. Am not sure if they are the same Stephen or not. All I know is that one child was named Milly. Maybe there is more in the archives.
Well my Stephen was from VA so that right there is a possibility for me. Thanks a bunch for your help Beeleaf!
I have a question for the people that sift through all the Melungeon/Redbone information. (It is still really confusing to me)
Is it possible that the term “Ramp” could be the origin for the “Rampas” in the “Cherokee” woman’s name that married into the Goss family? Diais/Diasis Rampas/ Diasampi Dalrymple
Her mother in law was from VA and the descendants have heard her referred to as Diais Rampas or Diasampi Dalrymple. If she was born abt 1790 does she pre-date the use of the term Ramp for mixed bloods?
Monica….would your husband’s name happen to be Jeff? I met him on the Melungeon site and we are cousins…but he’s not from Texas. Or Jeff may be kin to your husband.
🙂 Hi, I may have put my info in the wrong spot so I’ll do it again.
Father’s side
Charley Cornwell Married to Clarinda Gipson (GRGRGrandparents)
Boyd Cornwell Married to America M Collins (GrGrandparents)
William O.Cornwell Married to Mabel M. KIdder (grandparents)
Theodore G Cornwell Married To Cheryl Defibaugh (Parents)
I Have Magoffin County, Ky
Mason
Pike
Breathitt all in Ky
Lawerence County Oh
Marion
Hardin
Highland, Hillsboro .
Ironton
And a reference to Big Sandy,
Clarinda died 7-4-1916
Grant (one of her son’s) Died 12-10-1912 and was buried in Collins “Graveyard”
Any help past Charley and Clarinda Would be appreciated And If ANYONE knows about America PLEASE let me know, I have also heard The Name Mercky used with her.
Thanks- The Man in The Picture Is My Father – All this is For His Memory
From what I have just read on Rootswebdotcom, concerning what they have listed as being Charley Cornwell’s ancestors, the chances of the Gibson line being Cherokee in Virginia in the 1700’s is slim to nil. More “nil” than “slim”. Only one result on that site however, but a start if you haven’t looked there…goes back a few generations, but would need verified.
“Big Sandy” and “Collins Graveyard” are pretty vague as well. A county would be beneficial in that regard.
Boyd Cornwell sounds like a name made up of two surnames. There “may” be a Boyd in his ancestry, which is something to consider and research.
Steve-O,
I’ll try that one out, But we as a family have always said that it come’s from the womens side noone ever said cherokee but “Were so confused we have to fight ourselves to get out of bed in the morning” .
I do know Clarinda’s Father was Ira Gipson and man that is a Big Family, her Mother was Nancy Nicols . I am confused trying to figure out who
Ira’s Father is.
Thanks I’ll try that
Beeleaf:
Don’t know how I missed your pics of your handsome family. See my Gores at:
http://clydenemogores.tribalpages.com
No Bllings in that line – just FYI.
I don’t have any pics of my Bolling Fam. in Henry Co. so I was really interested in seeing yours.
I am still of the mind that your Boldens/Bolings Fam. and my Bolling in Henry Co., must be related somehow.
Hi All,
Here are a few (LOL!) of my family names;
Father’s side: Chester/Delaware Co., PA/Chenango,NY/Providence, RI/Dartmouth, MA/England/Ireland/Scotland/Finland/Sweden:
Baldwin, Wilbur, Jefferis, Smith, Morton, Mortensen, Cahoon, Plummer, Ring, Worrall, Burlingame, McLean, Clark, Scott, Maddock, Maris, Edwards, Moore, Tiffany, Fiske, Gorton, Johnson, Hannum, Hadley, Calvert, Chalfant, Brown, Chase, Arnold, Parmenter, Head, Wheaton, Bowen, Briggs, Cornell, Holmes, etc.
Mother’s side: Prince Edward/Appomattox/Henrico/Charlotte/Franklin Co. VA/Scotland/Germany/France/England:
Fore, Faure, Ramsey, Divers, Brown, Harris, Coleman, Baldwin, Burks, Davis, Diuguid, Doss, Moss, Hodges, Plybon, Temple, Greer, Hughes, Smith, Day, Hurt, Hazelwood, Gaudwin, Agee, Chastain, Renault, Tibault, Moore, Wimbish, Hunt, Arnold, Fitch, Locker, Horsley, Peartree, Christian, Bartlett, Henry, Clopton, Taylor, Booth, etc.
Saw your listing and the names. We have Smith probably from Halifax Co Va and also Fitts, have seen it as Fits, Fite, and Fitch. Don’t know if there would be any connection with your family. Ed
Hi Ed, there may be a connection. Here’s my info:
Name: Mary Ann Fitch
Born: 1716 in Baltimore, Maryland
Died: 1786
Father: William Fitch (1680-1787 Queen Ann Parish, Prince Georges County, Maryland)
Mother: Sarah (1686 Baltimore, Maryland)
Spouse: William Greer (1710-1785 Baltimore, Maryland)
Name: Lucy Smith
Born: 1769 in Franklin County, Virginia
Father: John Smith (about 1740 in Halifax, Virginia, died 1800 in Franklin County, Virginia)
Mother: Frances Burke/Burks (about 1742, died 1795 in Franklin County, Virginia)
Spouse: Christopher Divers (1767 in Joppa, Harford County, Maryland, died 1846 in Warrensburg, Johnson County, Missouri)
All My Best,
Jo
We have a Frances Ann Smith married to John Fitts. She is also referred to as Fanny in some documents. They were parents of my ggrandfather James Edward Fitts who married Amelia Ann Elliott. We know Amelia was of Native lineage through her mother and grandmother. James Edward was also of Native heritage. His grandparents were John and Mary Fitts, she being born about 1789 and her husband was much older than her. This John Fitts may have lived in or near the High Plains Saponi on the Person side in NC and then moved into Halifax Co in Va. I think the Smiths were in Halifax Co. I have found a John Fitts who appears to have had significant ties with the High Plains Saponi and a Richard Fitts also in the same area and then migrating with other known Saponi families into NC and then on west. I still have many I’s to dot and T’s to cross but this is more than chance. Many family members of my mother’s generation knew and visited “Indian” relatives in that area well after 1900 and the family traditions and knowledge bears well with much of the families physical traits. Ed
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