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Bill!
I have seen the passports before but did not really understand what they were for except to travel through…..
William Allen born in 1724 son of Robert Allen II did have a son James..that is where I left off before…
anyway, is Benjamin related to Vance? or we have to see?
I am not totally sure what all of this means except the researching of traders in an interesting subject…and could be a help with making connections of people to others….
Thanks so much
😀 sue J
Sue,
Just posted surnames found in the book – not implying they are one and the same people someone has looked for.
Lynella,
“Passports” issued by the U.S. Govt were required by Treaty for a citizen of one “nation” to travel to/through another “nation”, just like today, and Indian Nations were regarded as “Sovereign Nations” in those days.
There was a very famous “Benjamin Hawkins”, who was Indian Commissioner to the Southern Indians, but he spent most of his time dealing with the Muscogee Nation (Creek). There was a Thomas Gist from White County, Tn who fought against the Chickamauga and for American Independence against the Brittish in the Revolutionary War. I have looked and found this Thomas Gist had a son also named Thomas Gist. There was a Thomas Gist who lived in the Cherokee Nation, and there was one in Wilkes County, NC. Also found a Thomas Gist in Kentucky and one in Arkansas (and into IT) and Missouri. There was one also in Lawrence County, Alabama. These were all alive when one Thomas Gist whom I believe to be my ancestor lived, and I don’t know which one he is, or perhaps he was another. Recently a relative came up with evidence that the man I think we are descended from myght be the wrong man and we have to look elsewhere for the parents of Harriet Guess (1818-1886). It is a mess. 🙁
Benjamin Hawkins did have children who were both Cherokee and Creekas well as full blood White descendants, but I have no knowledge of any relationship of my family to him. Grandpa Hawkins (Noah Allen Hawkins, 1877-1953) did have a brother whose middle name was “Benjamin”, however. Noah’s father was Joshua Allen Hawkins, 1837-1892). That made me think Josh’s mother “might have” Allen as her maiden name, but we don’t know who Joshua’s parents were. Census records say Josh was born in Alabama. Cherokee Trail of Tears was 1838-1839, so Josh would have been a baby at that time.
Bill,
I realize that you are not implying that the names posted in a book may not be related to anyone here….
I was just relaying something I had found on a website…
I do find the subject of traders interesting although it may not relate to me at all personally..but maybe to someone here…
Lynella, you are so sweet.
Maybe we will find we are related back in time somewhere.
In the meantime my husband mailed the bills out I left in his car with no stamps on them!
AND I continue to work double shifts. My reality is out there somewhere right now…that reminds me of the song Out there Somewhere from the Movie…American Dream? Fivel? Feivel? The Mouse? “Someday we’ll be together, out there some day, somehow”?
when my father was dying, that movie and the song from it was popular..we had watched it together and he was crying…I knew that he hoped we would be together someday…I cannot hear that song without crying…he had a beautiful soul…although he was not a religious man…
A slice of life there. Goodnight all. Saj
The:) 🙂
I’m searching my Harris roots, Surnames: Harris ,Male,Norris Ok here we go William (Billy) harris b. 6-12-1807 in Va. believed to be from the Catawba tribe His mother was Rebecca Male Daughter of George Male and Elizabeth Norris. Father uknown Harris.. There were two men listed on the draper manuscripts as Billy and Peter Harris as Catawba indians.. Some believe one of these men were Williams Father??? William lived in Washington Co. Va. He had 14 children Three by Sarah (Sally) Norris b.1805 parents were Prettyhair Norris and Sam Norris b. abt 1750 the other 11 children were with Rhonda Male b. 1823 parents were George Male and Elizabeth Norris. I guess I’m having a hard time locating Williams father because they didnot have to record births until later any input would be appreciated
Thanks Missy
Brenda,
I’m glad I’m not the only one in the family with these problems! Thank you!:D 😀 😀 Lynella.
Bill,
You’re right, I mean about the problem of posting other stuff in a designated thread. It sort of gets everything off track doesn’t it. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Lynella.
Techteach,
Yeah! Now if we only had a green, mean smiley face wearing a Santa hat, that would be perfect! ><
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~~ Something like that with a hat! 😀 😀 😀 Lynella.
BUT, the nose and the mouth that moved over there is supposed to be under the eyes!
Saj,
Those surnames you mention — Allen, Love, Colbert, & McGee are all from very well known and prominent Chickasaw families.
Just knowing migration patterns and routes might help some people, so thanks for posting that material.
As I said somewhere, I think some of these traders might have been mixed blood (mixed with Catawba or Saponi or some other tribe, probably descended from a Christian Indian) before they endered the Cherokee or Chickasaw Nations, and mixed with them.
But if anybody asked me for proof I’d be hard pressed to provide it.
Double shifts?
🙁
My sympathies —
don’t forget t’ GET SOME REST!
😉
vance
My family surnames are on the first page, so I’m going to just leave it. The thread did get off course, as people were “talking” more than sharing family surnames. :p
By the way listing family surnames & States where they resided is a good idea. Also this site has an option that allows you to see older threads, so the idea of other threads getting lost or pushed aside doesn’t hold true. 😉
The original intent of this post was to be a archived list of names the forum members were searching……. also a place to see which names are shared with which other posters….or cousins 😉
A thread that would be pulled up using the search surname feature.
I wouldn’t have a problem with moving or removing the off-topic posts so this thread could be used as a tool by newbies….the search will pull it up and they can post their names and see who they share them with and then withdraw from the thread. Personally, and I know I’m guilty too, I think we are sometimes too chatty in the genealogy and history forums, but that’s just me.
peace
Ken
Ken,
Yes! I agree, we all get too chatty where we should be devoting more time to the topic at hand. In fact,:D I’m doing it now! I loved your original plan with this and I too would have no trouble moving the “gunk” somewhere else or starting a new thread and transmigrating our surnames to it. OR Just start it over and really put an imphasis on “Surnames Only.” I know I’m being a bit of a killjoy, but, well that’s just my thoughts.:) 🙂 🙂 Love & Light, Lynella.
Ken,
I agree..we have too much mixed into other stuff.
Does it take up too much space to have a “primary surname” on one thread?
Like,
RICE, Ann marr. PAYNE, Jerome…dates.
Children: RICE, __ marr. or whatever info.
RICE, ___ marr.
RICE…
RICE…
Any names as the Payne above would come up in a search for Payne and come back to here but the primary thread would be for RICE..would that work?
Sue J
Ken & Sue,
That would be good resource so long as it doesn’t get gummed up with a lot of chit-chat but I can take of that.
If everyone is agreeable, I’ll go back thru the “Family Surnames” thread and delete posts not directly contributing to that surname list. That way, we wouldn’t have to re-post the suname lists already there.
Bill
Bill….. that sounds good to me…… though there are some bits that may merit threads of their own.
What Sue says about individual family threads sticking to a primary family is also good but will be harder since some of these names are so interconnected. A thread devoted to group migrations may also be worth considering.
I post on topical and open boards so can go either way….. but do think we should try to stay on-topic on genealogy forum. …. less confusing ….. it’s hard enough to keep a line straight in my head, anyhow 😉
peace
Ken,
Just exchanging ideas…….
I think specific surnames and where they were found, with known descendancy and allied families listed and where they were found or from, would suffice to help people identify possible connections. Their migration would then be included in the “b. in ……” case.
Even if a direct “hit” were to be scored from such a listing, I would recommend a new thread be started, noting the speciifics of the “…. Surnames” thread…. but, I think that is utopian and not to be achieved within Human communities 🙂 and the more I’ve thought about this the more my inclenation is to refer the dear reader to “Newspaper Headlines” in the “Know Any Funny Stories” section of the forum.
Guess we can try it, and hope for the best 🙂
Anyway, I’ll clean it up.
Bill
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