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vance you said.
“also raided Texans and anyone else really. Tahchee was Sequoyah’s brother, so the same family ties . . . I think he was probably the only Melton to sign a treaty. I think there was a Moses Milton too, but “
this dutchy should be sequoyah’s uncle, isn’t this raiding duchy son of attacullculla ? it is this line of a twin sister to Turtle at home AKA shoeboots that I wanted to ask you about your name Hawkins and is it native ( any native blood will do and where did it live after the removal , say 1835+
I have a HAWK signing with seqoyah’s family for reserves or old settlers roll . then a child Hawkins shows up iwth a family I know is related to the family also . so where where the cherokeeish HAWKINS living during and after the removal?
renee ( I am here today really here looking for my hubbies Henry Perkins family NC lines. no luck so far) but wanted to understand what you said here. thanks , Ps Iknow shoeboots or his brothers sign treaties in spanish for texas lands with teh spanish or maybe in florida but it seems to be in texas . but the signer could be shoeboots or any of his brothers can use the CHU (shoe) name or chulio(a or ah) names or prefixes , becasue it was a family naming thing.
Hi vance well I finally got a bigger computter the other was so old and Sooooo slowwwwwww. it just made it very hard to corrispond, too much lost to way to slow-nesses.
welll it is Henry I, II, III, they say halifax i think . I don’t have a really good soarce for anything yet, don’t know what to trust yet. but his james says Ga and NC is where their family was from. HenryIII then on to Ga around Troup at some point.. in some generations then it is said some part of his family went to Oh or IN for a little while but his branch moved on and then on to TX pre civil war , none of the kids seem to be born there or I have the wrong branches as far as maybe other members or sirnames went there and it was just that “some of the family went to Oh or IN ” and it wasn’t perkins but simmons or something like that. . his perkins branch went to los Angeles Ca. around 1900 -1910 I think sometime around then. and lots of his closest cousins are on the choctaw rolls , married Brasheers etc. this is the reasons I suspect chickamauga cherokee blood , Chickamauga means Chickasaw blood.
native surnames in his family
perkins NC-GA , simmons , butler Ga , crawford AR-TX, zachary ,foreman Cotton TX, can’t think of any more right now.
i suspect maybe chickamauga/ maybe creek mixed cherokee blood from Ga some say possible Nansamond in early Perkins which might make lots of sense considering the story of Ohio or IN. which time wise could looks like about when some of the nansamond got a reserve in ohio , then lots of the cherokee went there to live at the time fo the removals . my cherokee boots /ross lived there and that time and my ross’s were near the nansamond reserve and seem to have had something to do with it somehow.
so is your Hawkins cherokee ? where did they live? I am still trying to find shoeboots twin sisters family.
renee
soory bill I thought it was vance who answered but darn as soon as I hit the button I was your name there. sorry.
on my hubby’s perkins
here hernyII’s info from worldconnect.
Birth: 1742 in Currituck County,NC
Death: 27 FEB 1800 in Halifax Co,NC
Note: Name Suffix: II 1
Change Date: 25 MAR 2003 at 23:13:59
Father: Henry PERKINS
Mother: Abigail BRENT
Marriage 1 Anne FEREBEE b: 15 SEP 1746 in Halifax Co,NC
it talks about herny at poplars , indian ridge NC. do you know what peoples were connected to that area in late 1600’s early 1700’s. thanks Bill. sorry about that mix up. renee
NAELADY,
I do not know who was in the Indian Ridge area, only that it is supposed to be in Currituck Co.
There is a problem with the Anne Ferebee 1746 marriage location…. Halifax County was not created until 1758 (from Edgecomb).
Do you have a proven line to this Henry Perkins, d.1800 Halifax Co., NC?
My father’s paternal lines:
Father’s surname / married to-
Hubbard / Campbell – Clay Cty. KY ~ 1905
Hubbard / Ball – Clay Cty. KY ~ 1890
Hubbard / Campbell – Clay Cty. KY ~ 1870
Hubbard / Ramsey – Clay Cty. KY ~1840
Hubbard / Hollandsworth – Ashe Cty. NC ~ 1820
Hubbard / Hollingsworth – VA to Ashe Cty. NC ~ 1800
Hubbard / Unknown – VA ~ ? but died in Clay Cty. KY in 1822
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My father’s maternal lines:
Mother’s surname / married to –
Campbell / Hubbard (Ray) – Clay Cty., KY ~ 1920
Campbell / Campbell – Leslie Cty. KY ~ 1888
Colwell / Campbell – KY ~ 1860
That’s all I have if I follow strictly maternal lines.
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My mother’s paternal lines:
Father’s surnames / Married to –
Hamblin / Campbell – Perry Cty., KY ~ 1920
Hamblin / Hoskins – Perry Cty. KY ~ 1910
Hamblin / Morris – Perry Cty. KY ~ 1850
Hamblin / Gwinn – KY ~ 1857
Hamblin / Hamblin ? 1800
Hamblin / Dickinson ? 1750
I have earlier dates & names, but no locations.
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My mother’s maternal lines:
Mother’s surnames / married to –
Campbell / Hamblin – Perry Cty., KY ~1920
Morgan / Campbell – Perry Cty, KY ~ 1890
Campbell / Morgan – ~ 1870
Eversole / Campbell – Ashe Cty. NC to Perry Cty. KY 1808 to 1891
Judd / Eversole ~1800
Other prominent surnames:
COMBS
DUFF
BOONE
BAKER
COUCH
STIDHAM
Good to be here Lynella!! 😀
I have a couple of weeks off, and I’ve been “playing” for the last two days. Tomorrow I have to get busy though and get some work done!
HI sir
well I don’t know exactly what that means . I have carefully followed his family documents as they came and have them to james s perkins in dennison/fannin/lamar/ and then offspring to Jack co Tx. census say his family was born in Ga and Nc. , his james s the internet says a brother is the Ira of the choctaw /brasheer . family never said the Perkins were indian or not . but I guessed jack’s family was native because of where they lived and a possible hint was color of his skin , his core beliefs were christian but more something that made me think he was native also , had to do with respect for the earth and animals etc. . and the bone structure of his brothers face helped make me suspeciuos of some native blood , and well the fact that more than a few folks had said his dad’s big ears were choctaw .
most all of jack’s cousins I can locate so far are the ones registered in Ok as choctaw. but when other saponi groups learn he is a “perkins from NC ” well they say they know what he is and we don’t have a clue what a early Nc/Ga perkins is .
I am collins MO. on my dad’s mom side a cherokee Ga married MY colllins.. , but my mom is choctaw/cherokee ( AL /MS) then north texas/southern OK . on both her sides the same . both sides her families lived in Lamar co Tx off and on and Push…. or choctaw co OK. so I knew who livedin the areas jack’s family lived in . especially pre civl war is when the perkins got there , that was IT then.
here is what I have
you will have to cut and paste to get to it. but it pretty well tells the story and what I am looking for and why.
I have a document from john thomas , and franck powell perkins, brother of harvey s that gives his dad’s name and his grandpa’s name as Jesse S Perkins and a civl war references and the name on the papers Jack’s aunt has said the name elizabeth crawford, it was the key to finding the family unit, from the net. everything after that family group is from the net.
for Jack’s family , I will need some pretty good “proof” for them even to begin belivee they are native americans . Jack’s knows it now for sure he has been that at least ALL of his cousion there in texas and southern OK are indian which made it easier for him ot except it. it just wqasn’t passed down to them , but his family doesn’t know and some won’t belive it no matter how much proof I come up with , which for now is just that ” all of their family/cousins are claiming to be at least degree’s of native blood on their dawes applications is all I have proof of for now>
any help would be appreciated. a saponi cousin , david collins 1850. Bill is there someplace good to read about this indian ridge and who live there in the time frame jack’s family was there? renee.
Renee,
I was just trying to find out if you had researched that Perkins line back to “that” Henry Perkins. I meant no disrepect.
What I need to help you, is what YOU know specifically, in order to trace them back further. So I asked that.
So. I would be glad to help you. Tell me (on forum, or in email) what you have learned of this family’s immediate ancestors and I will try to provide some proofs for you.
Bill
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I wasn’t thinking any kinda disrespect I just had trouble with understanding just what kinda proof you were talking about.
the only unknown/unverified link in the chain is I have asked if the brother of Ira sons of henry III, James P is a James Powell , their mom is a powell birth dates and place are matches so I am stuck at the assumption that he is a james powell for now . that is the only none proven point in the chain if all is correct in the ancestry gedcom files, they do seem quite thorough for now.
oops a jesse s was a brother of james p also ,
I don’t know what you mean by their immediate family , henry I,II, or III or john michael perkins ( jack) and his brother thomas born 1950’s and 60’s LosAngeles CA. ? as far as henry I, II or II , I only know what they say on the gedcom files about places listed which is currituk co and halifax and indian ridge. I know these are indian places , as these perkins seem to always be in the indian kinda places , but I don’t have good enough proof to go to his aunt and brothers and sisters with yet. the names all may or may not be native , but they have all been researched in a whiteish kinda way and that way rarely reveals indian identities unless they know if they are on a roll or signed a treaty someplace.
I have the opposite problem with my cherokee family I have all of their indian names I want their white names and family identities and surnames to locate family in this time . is that what you wanted to know , we don’t know anyting else, but what I have stated about them. renee
NAELADY,
Here is an answer to your question of which Indians lived at Indian Ridge, Currituck Co., NC (now in eastern part of Hyde Co.)
“google” for: indian ridge currituck county
The 1st listing under “Results” is:
Currituck Co., NC Deeds
if you click on that, there are abstracts of Deeds for these people and if you scroll to the very bottom of that page, more info can be found by clicking on “The Mattamuskeet Documents”
Part of the Coree were settled in this area after 1715 so the Mattamuskeet may be a Band of the Coree.
Yes thank you thank you sir Bill .
well it looks like this is the same area , that they say henry came from .
and it apears that most of the surnames of the known wives might be native surnames , it was a said day reading about poor john X squires or john S.squires ( it was just too cute an naming things, just hilarious) but poor guy does it say more than 10000 acres for two skins?
ok how would you prove to perkins now that perkins were in that group at that early time frame? renee
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