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hi Vance
I write you long letters with clue in it but I am not comfortable with saying too much. I just won’t do it.
http://www.shawnee-traditions.com/Names.html
this ite has lots of clues you will have to work through for yourself.
Ok clue one. to get you started……………..
dragging canoe was a half brother to nionee’s kids, DC’s mom was a servant. possible/probable slave. this may put a whole new color to your equations. making those you claim to be negroe/ cherokee mentioned earlier going into Ky and tN the ones that now probably the ones that seem to be calling themselvs the Chickamauga. and that you are writing off as insignificant. may not be so insignificant …. even with that I said too much. and with it change people’s undeerstanding of who they are, thus making these things , things I do not wish to do. they were indian , heart and soul and no one should take that from them then or now. . sorry I can’t help more. ,
but a little humility wouldnt’ hurt some of them today either ………….they can be quite the stinkers , brutal and nasty to deal with … just stinkers…… ….but they come by that naturally hum?? it is in their blood. apples dont’ fall far from a tree. lots of clues at the shawnee site , lots more clues at other tribes history sites ………. have fun. just think BIGGER , bigger confederecies etc. just bigger. . renee
this is my family out of north carolina……Moore, Etheridge, Taylor, Robbins these are the ones we know are Sioux…Rogers, Pridgen, Amoson are believed to be white…
Linda
These are my family surnames
Mothers side
EVANS, COLLINS,BENNETT,MCDANIELL
Fathers side,
HARRIS, MORGAN
Catherine (Caty) Ann Shope/Shoup b. 1852-Ohio
– Her parents William Shope-Ohio
Mary Emmons b. 1830-Ohio
– Mary Parents: Joel Emmons b. 1754 VA
Phebe Stratton b. 1801 NJ
-Joel Emmons Parents-
Serinus Emmons b. abt 1754 VA
Jane Frances b. abt 1769 VA
I will have more later
William Colley/Colly wrote M for Race on Cencus and claims Ohio as his home.
Elizabeth? his wife writes W for Race and is from Georgia, have not been able to locate a last name for her.
Daughter Suponia Alice Colley b. abt 1857 d. 1891( My G G G gma)
Have seen it written(Sophia, Supora, Suppora, Suponia) he siblings: Margaret, Mary, Mayora, Clarrisa-may also have second name of Susan.
No relation as far as I know other than Marriage.
Another Grandma Ancestor abt. Mary Little who Married Joseph Garfield; excerpt from book HISTORY of Wyandot County, Crane TWP pg 590, Para 2, 6th sentence.
He came to Upper Sandusky in 1849 and was married in the same city, june 19, 1850 to Mary Little, Daughter of David and Ann M. (Hoke) Little, a native of Canton, Ohio, born August 15th 1825.
I have something some where that says David and Ann were in Adams CTY PA around 1813
Garfield-Little Marriage Children
Genevera, David, Lewis, Alexis, Amanda, William.
My Father recalls stories of either his Great Aunt Amanda or Aunt Goldie (Amandas daughter) that they could not get her to leave the rez, but know one knows what rez and those who did have long been passed.
Dreaminghawk and All,
It sure is good to see folks are still plugging their surnames into this list. I just thought I’d pull my head out and see how this was going! Love & Light, Lynella. P.S, Dreaminhawk, thank you for the e-mail. E me any time. I miss ya’!;)
L:
I am so glad to hear from you again, cuz. Hope things are going well.
BTW, seems that there are lots of Suttons on the genealogy that my cousin sent me, not in my direct line, but living and intermarrying in Jackson County, IA.
Techteach
Lynella,
My cuz too! I can’t even explain what it feels like to see you here again and not just on those older posts. You stay right here with us, yes?!.!!:) 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 Saj
Sue & Tech.,
😉 YES! I also had a couple of names to add to the list on mom’s side. I don’t think I listed them earlier. They are, Tibbs and Welty. I know Kerry mentioned another one, but It’s escaped me for now! Love & Light, Lynella.
These are my known names.
Father’s side:Carter,Banks,Braxton, Taylor.(Essex,Middlesex,King William CO’s,
VA)
Mother’s side: Nightengale/Nightingale,Carey/Cary,Smith,Jones,Green,Winn/Wynn.
(Albemarle,Fluvanna,Fairfax CO’s,VA)
Roca
attacullculla , Boyd , Brooks,, ( Barker/?Bark) Brackeen/Bracheen Beauchamp,Boots ,( Bryant/Brant or Hendricks), Bull/Turnbull, Barnes Carter, Clayton, Collins , (Cliney) , Childers, Day, Dean, Gore,Hardwick,Hazel, Ellis , Flatt, Goslin, Hopkins Hill , Jordon, Jeffress, Lewis, LeComte,Lodge, Klien, McClaren, Mc Dade, Mcfarland, Missey/ Massey , , Moytoy, Mossman, Northcut,
Posting, Padfield, Roden/Redden, Ross (Ransom) 3x Smith, (Sims) , Sturgeon, Shearman,Shoeboots , Stone, Skinner, , Shiner. ( Starr) , terry/ferry, Tadlock/Tatlocke, 3x Walker .
Jack’s surnames – in progress
Allen , brent , Baldwin, Blackstone, Bashero Perkins, Carter ,Cooper, 2x Crawford, Cotton, Dupri, Ferebee, Frances, Ethridge, Easley,Foreman (leah) ( libias),,Powell, Perkins, Parker, (hardin) , Johnson , Simmons, Lacey, Knight,
Wherry, Very, Zachary ( midle names or single unknown names)
in my line I am not sure which are and aren’t native. 3 of my 4 great where native women, abt 1/2 bloods.. most men grandpas had some blood, varied degrees or unknow amounts.
oh on the perkins Jack said he remembered a stroy his dad told him he doesn’t know if it is true or not . but I have a tendencyto belive family stories I that most of the stroy will prove to be true.
the story went that 4 perkins brothers came from england to early james town . two went north and one went south of james twon One went back to england ………… his line was from the one who went south. so we will have to do Dna and find out if it is english …………. we know at somepoint they were marrying native women, around Halifax maybe in Perquimans
Thanks Naelady,
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I write you long letters with clue in it but I am not comfortable with saying too much. I just won’t do it.
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Please know my family is an open book. All the surnames I know of on my dad’s side, have posted here at one location or another.
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you said —
http://www.shawnee-traditions.com/Names.html
this site has lots of clues you will have to work through for yourself.
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thanks, right now i have no time. I have my own research projects. If this is important to you i suggest you work through it, as I have done more times than I care to remember. I believe my argument was many people who believe they have Cherokee blood really have the blood of other tribes and not Cherokee. Shawnee is one of those tribes . . .
you said —
dragging canoe was a half brother to nionee’s kids, DC’s mom was a servant. possible/probable slave.this may put a whole new color to your equations. making those you claim to be negroe/ cherokee mentioned earlier going into Ky and tN the ones that now probably the ones that seem to be calling themselvs the Chickamauga.
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How do you know that Dragging Caone’s mother was a slave? Where is this documented?
I have never in my life claimed anyone to be a “Negro-Cherokee”. have never said that. I have seen people from Ohio to Florida, from the Atlantic Coast to California, claim to be Chickamauga-Cherokee. The Chickamauga Confedercy consisted mostly of Cherokee, Creek, and Shawnee, and Tories in the early days, and at its height consisted of peraps 1,000 warriors.
After the wars covering the mid 1770s through the mid 1790s, these Indians returned to their own families and tribes, and did ot move to live with the whites, except as I said for the few who did marry whites.
Some left the Cherokee Nation with the Reservation Rolls, and others who signed with the Emigration Rolls (both rolls after @ 1818) left too for Arkansas. These things are recorded in historic documents.
you said —
this may put a whole new color to your equations. making those you claim to be negroe/ cherokee mentioned earlier going into Ky and tN the ones that now probably the ones that seem to be calling themselvs the Chickamauga. and that you are writing off as insignificant. may not be so insignificant . may not be so insignificant …. even with that I said too much. and with it change people’s undeerstanding of who they are, thus making these things , things I do not wish to do.
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I never have written off anyone as “insignificant”. I have said there were no “bands” of Chickamauga roaming free hiding out for 200 years. I don’t have a clue who the people you say are — “cherokee mentioned earlier going into Ky and tN the ones that now probably the ones that seem to be calling themselvs the Chickamauga” — are. Can you provide me with surnames, dates and locations of their time in Ky and Tn? Thanks. That information will tell us if they might have been descended from the Cherokee or not.
Dragging Canoe never settled in Ky and neither did Doublehead. Their real lives are recorded and are well documented. They raided into Ky, but never lived there.
The Chickamauga towns wre all near Chatanooga, Tn. Chief Watts, after Dragging Canoe’s death @ 1792, moved them further south into N Al. and many descendants of the Chickamauga are found on the Tennesse River with Doublehead’s Village in orthern Lawrence County at one pont, he even had land in Lauderdale County, with really was closer to other Chickasaw settlements than Cherokee. But he was killed a hiwassee near James Vann’s home, near the Moravian and Presbyterian missions in 1807. The lands in Lawrence County, Al were ceded @ 1818 from both the Cherokee and the Chickasaw.
you said —
but a little humility wouldnt’ hurt some of them today either ………….they can be quite the stinkers , brutal and nasty to deal with … just stinkers…… ….but they come by that naturally hum?? it is in their blood. apples dont’ fall far from a tree.
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who are you talking about?
There are good and bad in all races, regions, and “blood”.
you said —
lots of clues at the shawnee site , lots more clues at other tribes history sites ………. have fun. just think BIGGER , bigger confederecies etc. just bigger. . renee
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Renee,
Dragging Canoe visited Pensacola several times seeking weapons from the Spanish and the Brittish. His 2 known brothers travelled to Detroit at least twice seeking the same. The Chickamauga Confederacy included shawnee, Upper Creek and many Tories as well(at least up until the end of the Am. Rev. Their home base was near present day Chattanooga, Tn. he Chickamauga were also known as the Lower Cherokee. The Upper Cherokee and Lower Creek were opposed to this war and sided with the settlers.
Other tribes, principly the Miami, Kickapoo, Delaware, Shawnee, Wea, Sac & Fox, and others — those tribes based on the Scioto River in Ohio, were part of the “Northwards Indians” that are mentioned in American State Papers, Indian Affairs vol 1 during this same time frame. All these tribes were at war off and on frm the 170s until the various treaties ending this round of wars were signed @ 1794 and 1795. These 2 groups were in alliance. These tribes roamed through Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee, West Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia. They are found as far west as the mouth of the Tennessee and Ohio Rivers and ventured into Spanish Missouri, Arkansas, Louisania and Texas even, eventually. But these were raids or visits to gain support and ammunition. They tried to enlist the support of the Chickasaw and Choctaw, but these tribes never fully were involved in the conflic, altho 2 Chickasaw villages somewhat supported the Chickamauga, hte vast majority sided with the White settlers. he Chickasaw and Choctaw were less trusting of the Spanish, hence their hesitancy and preferrence for the Virginians (what they often called the Caucasians of Tennessee).
So altho these tribes ranged far and wide, they always returned home to their families and relatives in a few communities. Had Chickamauga lived amongst the white communities of the Cumberland the local whites would have killed them, period. Only what were termed “friendly” Indians (friendly to the settlers) would have been allowed there, and the Chickamauga certainly were not friendly — not until after 1795 or thereabout.
At the time of the 1838 removal there was a district of the Cherokee Nation called “Chickamauga” which shows that they still lived with the majority of the Cherokee, except those who ere already removed to S Mo, Arkansas, or NE Tx., who were recorded as having done so ijn many many documents.
vance
HI Vance …….
Vance why dont’ you work with Mr green at that shawnee site he will understand the complexity of the problem……… also check out what is known of where shoeboots / otherwise known as turtle at home’s older sons are known to be or lived. his Kids are NOT IN the nation in 1824 he states that very clearly in cherokee council………….. so where are they? his oldest or most famous son is in ky or TN…… and so did he ( shoeboots) get a reserve ? of coarse he did….. probably more than one knowing my grandpa…………….. word has it that he liked to sign things with the whites…….. as many times as he could get by with…………. a reserve where? obviuosly wherever his kids are … which isn’t in cherokee territory. does that make them less cherokee somehow for them going to their dads and uncles and cousins lands ……………….. I dont’ t think it would ………… also as far as what other may call them ……………… my 4 th great grandma from shoebots and dolly passes as white in 4 states . she is 1/2 black……….. how much more so are shoeboots kids from a white woman going to pass as whites in anywhere they go. isn’t it great how those reserves worked … they seperated headmens family from the tribe and even to this day those people are veiewed as suspect indians. old barks family is in TN check out barkers. mcfarland ……………… as is shoeboots oldest kids born 1775 to 17 abt 94 or when he went to live with the shawnee . Thus after Orr distroyed the towns ………………. he seems to have possibly left his wife there . green will tell you about some suspect widows that are most likely related to my family somehow. and then he came back too cherokee lands with just Clarinda. and tehcumseh and many others seemed to have followed closely behind him to go live at running water. Tehcumsey white name is most likely in cherokee records as William Bayless……….. or this is a brother ……….. .. etc.
there is just soo much that has been forgotten that it isn’t going to be possible to put it all back , it won’t happen . the most proof , or the kinda proof you require …………. thus “..proof” you seek is at that shawnee site and at boards of surnames found at that site.
renee
HI Everyone,
Just thought I’d list my surnames for 1700-1800’s. This is my mother’s direct line:
Amerson,Ruffin,Rogers,Bryant,Barnes,Hodges,Etheredge,Pridgen,Moore,Batchelor,Robbins, Price,Horn, Moonaham, Sessums, Jones, Proctor and Bullock.
My father’s direct line:
Davenport, Everett, Little
Also my 5th great grandfather married a woman named Mary(no surname) but they named one of their sons Ransom which was completely out of the normal naming patterns. He was the first Ransom there have been several since then but he was the first.
Could Ransom have been his mothers surname?
My Indian family stories come from my mother’s line. We are from North Carolina. Wilson, Nash, Edgecombe and Halifax counties.
Linda
I believe it is through my husband father’s side of the family that there might be some connection to the Saponi. This is what I have on the line I am speaking about:
Descendants of Joshua Ripley
1 RIPLEY, Joshua b: Abt. 1790
.. +COREY, Rhoda b: Abt. 1790
.. 2 RIPLEY, Joseph Source1: 1850 Linn Co, IA Fed census, Source2: 1850 United States Federal Census, Source3: 1860 United States Federal Census, Source4: Indiana Marriages, 1802-1892, Source5: Indiana Marriages, 1802-1892 b: 06 Mar 1810 in Sodus Twp, Ontario Co, NY d: 22 May 1879 in Fremont Co., IA
…… +SUTTON, Laura Ann Source1: Indiana Marriages, 1802-1892, Source2: Indiana Marriages, 1802-1892 b: Abt. 1811 in NY m: 22 Jul 1830 in Jefferson County, IN src: MCELROY, Sharon d: in IA
…… 3 [1] RIPLEY, Amos Joshua Source1: 1870 United States Federal Census, Source2: 1910 United States Federal Census, Source3: 1890 Veterans Schedules b: 06 Apr 1832 in Gallia, OH src1: 1900 United States Federal Census, src2: 1880 United States Federal Census, src3: OneWorldTreeSM d: 14 Nov 1914 in McPherson, NE
………. +HOWE, Melissa Jane Source: OneWorldTreeSM b: Apr 1854 in Barry, MI src: OneWorldTreeSM d: 23 Mar 1921 in Sunnyside, Yakima, WA src: OneWorldTreeSM
…… *2nd Wife of [1] RIPLEY, Amos Joshua:
………. +SUTTON, Huldah Sophia Source: OneWorldTreeSM m: 21 Nov 1856 in Floyd, IA
…… 3 RIPLEY, Roxalana Source: 1850 United States Federal Census b: 1834 in OH d: 1856 in Floyd, IA
………. +TAYLOR, John m: 18 Nov 1854 in Floyd County, IA
…… 3 RIPLEY, Mary Ellen Source1: MACBEAN, Clan Register, Family #4101, Source2: 1850 United States Federal Census, Source3: 1860 United States Federal Census, Source4: 1900 United States Federal Census, Source5: 1870 United States Federal Census, Source6: 1880 United States Federal Census b: 04 Apr 1842 in OH src1: MACBEAN, Clan Register, Family #4101, src2: 1880 Chickasaw County, IA census, src3: 1900 United States Federal Census d: 17 May 1916 in Bradford, Chickasaw, IA
………. +BEAN, Richard Rufus Source1: BEAN, Richard R. CW Pension Application, Source2: 1910 United States Federal Census, Source3: 1860 United States Federal Census, Source4: 1880 United States Federal Census, Source5: 1870 United States Federal Census, Source6: 1900 United States Federal Census b: 18 Sep 1838 in St. Lawrence, NY src1: BEAN, Richard R. CW Pension Application, src2: 1880 United States Federal Census, src3: 1900 United States Federal Census m: 15 Jun 1861 in Floyd County, IA src: BEAN, Richard R. CW Pension Application d: 18 Mar 1928 in Nashua, Chickasaw, IA src: DOSE, Anna Luella Bean, POB, 264, Plainfield, IA 50666
…… 3 RIPLEY, Charles H. b: 12 Aug 1845 in Gallia, OH d: 27 Dec 1920 in Gage, NE
………. +CRUMB, Marietta m: 15 Jul 1866 in Floyd County, IA
…… 3 RIPLEY, Eliza A. b: 06 Feb 1846 in OH d: 09 Oct 1928 in Chickasaw Co, IA
………. +UMPHREY, John
…… 3 RIPLEY, Cynthia Ann b: 1849 in IA
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