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Wachinika wrote: blackindiangirl,
As they said at my small Hoosier elementary school:
“It takes one to know one.”:)
Diane,
I must agree with Roni, you have a sweet spirit and are a wonderful addition to Saponitown.:)
Shirley
Thank you for your kind words. The credit of course goes to those I follow here. For those who require it, I will post my references at another time. For those here you will all know of which I speak when I say, it is said, our downfall as a tribe was due to our friendliness.
As time progresses, we will see who has the joy of reverent celebration.:)
Buffalowm wrote: Many of the federally recognized and state recognized tribes do feel that those of us who were seperated from the original tribes are no longer a part of them or deny us because we would be a stumbling block in their getting any federal monies or reparations. That I feel is just another way the government has found a way to limit what we should have a right to as Native people. Why do we keep letting the government controll us over and over again. They do not have our best interest at heart. They are aware that there are many of us who will not be recognized and they want to limit our due. We have to come together and stop playing their game. United we would be a force to be reccond (? spelling) with and they would have to take notice and give us our due. The government likes it when we fight against each other the same as they did so many years ago. WE NEED TO UNITE !
Hmmmmm….. Looks like some fed tribes are looking down on state tribes, and some state tribes are looking down on unrecognized tribes, and some unrecognized tribes probably looking down on unaffilied native descent folks.
No wonder all us here at saponi town get along so good, we either refuse to look down on others, or were already at the bottom of the heap!
Oh, and I’d love to see a t-shirt with a picture of a Powhatan and a Jamestown settler on it with the caption “My people took my land!” I’d wear it!
spilleddi,
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!! 😀 😀 😀 All so very true and accurate.
And I think I keep hearing it alluded to that some bottom of the heap people are completing the circle of put downs by looking down on nationally organized full blooded, traditional, card carrying, western tribal members and their supporters:rolleyes: .
Now they are all putting each other down, positioned in this broken circle formation:(; I pray soon the peace pipes will be offered and this circle reunited?:)
Thanks for bringing this thread back in a full circle to a funny T-shirt: “My people took my land!” I want one of those too!
I have people in James City by 1610 in my mother’s line, supposedly the daughter of the ship Captain Christopher Newport that brought the colonists. She’s another of those all too familiar stories of a courthouse burning, this time in Shrophire England… another of the white ones with a colorful story that can’t be proven.:)
Ah, then perhaps we are cousins! I too have read somewhere in the piles of my family history that we are descended from Captain Newporte, its on my long list of stuff to research.
I should give credit to the phrase “my people took my land” to my grandmother. She has also told me to go visit Jamestown, because as she said it “thats were our people met our people!”
spilleddi and sammarog,
Well Shirley, I always thought at some point I should mention to you that I have Braggs on my Mom’s side. I think you’ve said that is your stepfather’s name. This is the time because it is said Thomas Bragg m. Molly Newport in James City in 1610. It does appear all proven of the Braggs. I don’t know if there is a marriage record.
I know what you mean Spilleddi about the long list of stuff. Actually it’s my Mom’s tree that has more names and areas associated with Eastern Blackfoot but the story is from my Dad’s so that’s where I’m starting. I just can’t grasp trying to deal with both trees simultaniously.:eek: That’s alot of people all the way back to c.1580, the listed birth years of Thomas Bragg and Molly Newport. Since she can’t be proven and she’s not on a passenger list, maybe she was Indian (just kidding, I think).
Spilleddi, your grandmother sounds like alot of fun!
Wachinika wrote: spilleddi and sammarog,
Well Shirley, I always thought at some point I should mention to you that I have Braggs on my Mom’s side. I think you’ve said that is your stepfather’s name. This is the time because it is said Thomas Bragg m. Molly Newport in James City in 1610. It does appear all proven of the Braggs. I don’t know if there is a marriage record.
I know what you mean Spilleddi about the long list of stuff. Actually it’s my Mom’s tree that has more names and areas associated with Eastern Blackfoot but the story is from my Dad’s so that’s where I’m starting. I just can’t grasp trying to deal with both trees simultaniously.:eek: That’s alot of people all the way back to c.1580, the listed birth years of Thomas Bragg and Molly Newport. Since she can’t be proven and she’s not on a passenger list, maybe she was Indian (just kidding, I think).
Spilleddi, your grandmother sounds like alot of fun!
Wachinika,
I have not researched the Bragg name, but I think my aunt said someone in the family was, I can check with her when I visit. Bragg is a very common name in the Souith, when we were in WV a few years ago (before I met my aunts), I grabbed the local phonebook…phew…too many to search.
My maiden name is Bragg, however I found out about three years ago that Ellison Bragg was not my father’s biological father (his father was a Sparks). It is a strange feeling to go through almost forty years thinking you are a Bragg…to find out it’s not true. However, both of my aunts are Braggs. I have hit a brick wall on my Sparks grandfather; I find the family name in and around Richwood, WV, but not his first name (LLoyd), which I am beginning to think was a nickname for something else.
Shirley
My mother’s father’s [b. Iroquois Co. IL near IN] grandmother was a Bragg b.TN. The tree I have has 10 Braggs back to James City through NC. I will post the names in Share Geneology soon.
it’s gettin to where alot of times…to save an arguement i tell folks i’m remainin nutral! i have my beleifs & my ways of both kinds (white/indian)
I thank each one of you for all that has been said . And i agree it is hard when your skin is light or your hair or eyes are a light brown and not black or dark brown. My hair and eyes are a medium brown my skin is also medium color of brown . But two of my brothers and one sister have the dark hair dark eyes and darker skin . But if we are all togeather all can see we are brothers and sisters . BTW It still hurts me when people start hollowing or playing the the discrimination card. When in my opion we were and still are the most discriminated against race there is. We were given this whole USA for our own by our Creator. Then greedy European’s came and took it away and gave us a very small part or patch to live on saying it’s all for the cause of making life better for every/one . It still hurt’s to know that so many people can’t see that the Native American’s were and alway’s will be us well the Indian. Why can’t every/one just come full circle and live in peace like our Ancestor’s tryed to do in the begining . If it was not for our ancestor’s helping the first settler’s they none would have survived . And that is all I have to say about this . And if I am wrong for feeling this way I am sorry. And if I offended any/one I also am sorry . But that is the way I feel .
As Always walking with the Spirit of the Wind
Rick Cassidy
AKA Wind-dancer
I pray soon the peace pipes will be offered and this circle reunited.
I will join you in that prayer.
I enjoy funny t-shirts (including the one that started the thread). It’s amazing how a shirt can sometimes open the door to a conversation that wouldn’t happen otherwise.
It’s amazing how a shirt can sometimes open the door to a conversation that wouldn’t happen otherwise.
I well remember one that began something like, “Excuse me, Miss, may I take a closeup photo of your chest?”
Actually it was a little more complex than that (I did know her name), but it’s not an easy way for a gentleman to begin a conversation.
Great tee shirt, though. And it made a nice photo.
I’m starting to like the T-shirt as well … but I can prove my white.
Rick, I want to ask you to also pray for the white-man. Through all of this and the millenia preceding, they have also suffered at their own hand as have many other than the Red people. It is not fair that they should walk with so much guilt and as the rainbow has many colors and is still beautiful, we are the same way.
Peace.
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