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Reading this reply, Rose and others, especially Stacey, I just realized that Batts is very like my name Butts, who several believe were NDN. Looking further online, there are several instances where these names were mixed.
Very interesting…
Tech
Linda, Techteach, Lynne & Rose,
🙂 Here you guys go getting me all hooked again! You come up with all this wonderful info., my brain goes gah-gah over it and that’s it, I’m hooked. Thank you Linda for the name of that other book. I still don’t have mine either, but Glenn said to give our friend who owns the book store the business. So now I’ll give this to Jesse and have him order it along with our Harry Potter and The half Blood Prince! Glenn’s dad got me hooked on those in the beginning! Boy, if I was a fish I probably wouldn’t stand a chance! Love & Light, Lynella.
Linda,
Hey! Thank you!:) I am doing well. Kerry’s job sent him to Denver for the week end, so I’m getting to pick on him a bunch! I have to make up for the years he picked on me! It’s very good to see;) you and hear from you. I’ve missed you. Love & Light, Lynella.
I know this is an old thread but thanks for all the info and links
provided. I am looking at (in the future) picking up some Tutelo books to just see about the language. It appears alot of folks are looking/learning/leaning to Lakota since it is very much “out there”. (I also guess since same “language family” it is a place to start for some folks)
HOwever,it is encouraging all the work being done with
Saponi/Tutelo. It is also inspiring (despite differing opinions on movie, I made my comments in that thread) in the movie “THe New World” about how they were able to bring back alot of the language! 🙂
So, anyone ever tried language groups/sessions at all?
Just wondered, especially with teh work being done by (sorry can’t remember her name) in VA by that one lady. (That is great!)
Just wondered. Thanks
fromOntario
Hello.
I have been leaning toward getting into some kind of Lakota course work. I have Hale’s book, and have found it to be interesting, but hard for me to begin to utilize the Tutelo he has in it. I have tried translating everyday things into Tutelo, but….there just isn’t enough of it.
I would very much like to learn any kind of “official” Saponi there might be out there. I have heard that the Haliwa and the Occaneche are both using Saponi. I have no idea what form this Saponi is in, since they don’t call it Tutelo. If I can find the answer to this, I will of course share it with the group…any answers I find of course.
Until then, logically, these people who have constructed something of Saponi, must have started with the closest living relative, which I believe Linda explained, is Lakota. Lakota must be the gramatical basis from which they are working.
Any really good deals on the price of Lakota? I’ve seen one from audio forum, but its pricey. Of course I want the best course for the least amount of money, but I can always start saving for a quality course.
Got any special favoites, friends?
Regards,
Lynne
I would love to take a course on Tutelo/Lakota language. Reading a book verses hearing the language is totally different. If there is a class in the DC Metropolitan Area offered, please share. Thanks!!
Erica:)
Well, I got my Horatio Hale book at Christmas time and the Minor Vocabularies of Tutelo and Saponi. I still have yet to go through them. My friend Bobbie speaks fluent Lakota, I wonder if I should see what she can glean from these books, and if she can help me with it. Hmmmmm.
nahNpe pi./Good day.
I am going to add a link with materials in the Hoc^aNk (a.k.a. ‘Winnebago’) language for those who are interesed:
http://hotcakencyclopedia.com/#anchor5020927
Also, I have both the Hale book and the minor vocabularies, and I have been trying to get as much out of them as possible, but the material is rather sparse. I am also thinking of getting the Oliverio dissertation as well.
I have had much more success finding materials on Dakota/Lakota/Nakoda, since it is still a widely spoken language. The Dakota (et al.) language is to Tutelo-Saponi more or less as German is to English, that is to say, closely related but not 100% mutually intelligible. I have been finding that lately I have been using a mish mash of Dakota and Tutelo, using Dakota words to fill in the gaps.
Pila huk./Cheers.
Todd, a.k.a. ‘Tohkai’
P.S. I believe that the language used in the film, _The New World_, was Powhatan Renape, of which there is much more material available, as well as much more closely related neighboring languages available for comparative reconstruction where needed. Unfortunately, this is not the case for Tutelo, since there is much less material and the other Siouan languages are not quite as closely related.
I just re-read this thread and noticed that Techteach mentioned Streets. Did we ever discuss my cousin’s Straights? He is from Vernon County, from a side of the family some of the Hudson descended clan were shunning because they were too wild and colored, I guess is a way to put it.
These Straights originate in Greene, NY, which I see is not too distant from Ithaca, NY, raising the possibility of a Tutelo connection. They wound up in Mt. Tabor, Vernon County, WI.
On the language issue, if there’s a few of us interested in starting with the Lakota to get some bearings with a Siouan language, we should all work from the same material, I would think. Anybody interested, drop me a note.
Linda,
Streets is a name in DE and MD also where my Greens/Butts originate. I am not sure when/how they link. They are more closely linked to Deb’s line than mine.
However, we have determined that at least some of the Greens/Butts were Shawnee.
Techteach
Hau, mitakholapi./Greetings, my friends.
Lakhota wouNspe ki was’te yelo.
(Lakhota lessons are good.)
I wouls suggest trying to find online resources, so that we do not have to run out and buy materials.
One site I came across:
http://www.lakhota.com/online/words.english.htm
Also, we should agree on which transcription system to use, since there are so many. I would suggest Net-Siouan or something similar.
To give example of the various systems in use:
http://www.languagegeek.com/siouan/lakota.html
Also, we should not entirely neglect the Tutelo language. since the two languages are so similar, I find that a knowledge of one tends to reinforce the other.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Todd,
a.k.a. ‘Tohkai’ (Tutelo)
or ‘Thokhala’ (Lakhota)
(Both mean ‘Fox’).
Hey Y’all,
I was browsing about the other night/morning and came upon this site. Anyone seen this? I was too tired (like now) to really get into it but I thought it was interesting. Very different method of teaching a language…especially to read it. I can see learning to speak this way (maybe) but learning to read?? I know a lot about the process of learning to read from working with my children who have dyslexia and this kinda flies in the face of it. But I could be wrong.
Let me know what you think.
Red Metis
http://www.alliance2k.org/daklang/dakota9463.htm
Hi all, for Lakota language this is a really good website: http://www.inext.cz/siouan/Bushotter/Bushotter.htm It’s not that much different than Saponi/Tutelo John
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