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“Sepr. 9. 1768
Moses Riddle. 400 Ac between Edward Smith’s and Oldhams Lines on Sandy Rr and So. Side.”
This land entry was not voided which means he did settle on the land and make the required improvements to validate his claim.
(Source: “Entry Record Book 1737-1770” subtitled “Land Entries in the present Virginia Counties of Halifax, Pittsylvania, Henry, Franklin and Patrick”, by Marian Dodson Chiarito, c1984. Original Entry Book pg.435, is on pg.349 of this source.)
Quote from the Introduction:
“This book contains land entries in the western portion of the original Brunswick County, namely –(same counties as above).
The area concerned was south of the Roanoke-Staunton River, west of Tewahomony Creek (now Aaron’s Creek which divides Mecklenburg and Halifax counties), and extending to the Blue Ridge Mountains.”
Hello, I found this site through the Saponi site. I am tracing my ancestry. My GDMO Fraley is native american descent. I just recently received an original photo. Her GDMO was Minta Riddle. I am also tracking Bear (Bare, Barr) spelled different through time. I did find some other surnames on the rolls.
This is definely a journey.
http://www.jimcal.com/v04is01.htm
[this is a very interesting site. I copied some of the highlighted parts but you need to read it in it’s full text. It showes that the Riddles, Sexton’s, Collins, Roberts, Belvins all knew each other. Many of these were together in Virginia, then North Carolina and then into Kentucky]
The first record which appears to definitely be this William Riddle is the 1767 tax list, Tithables of Pittsylvania County, 17676 of persons residing in the newly formed Pittsylvania County, Virginia. He is listed as “William Ridle” and next to him on the list is “Moses Ridle (Indian).”
As far as can be determined, Moses Ridle was the father of William Riddle and was of Scotch-Irish, Indian and Portuguese (Melungeon) ancestry.7
The next mention of William Riddle is found in the court records of Montgomery County, Virginia. He was involved in court cases concerning land in 1773, 1774, 1776 and 1779,9 and appears in 1773 on a Montgomery County, Virginia tax list in the area of Elk Creek along the New River.10
In 1774 William Riddle (Riddell) was a member of Capt. William Herbert’s militia company, and apparently fought in Lord Dunmore’s War at Point Pleasant on the Ohio together with Neal Roberts, William Roberts, James Wallen, Joseph Wallen, Thomas Wallen, James Wallin, William Ingram, John Cox, George Sizemore, Micajer Bunch, Doswell Rogers, Nathaniel Wilshire, Clement Lee, George Keith, David Cox, Elisha Collins, Lewis Collins, John Collins, John Collins Jr., John Cox, David Cox, Daniel Blevins, James Blevins and William Blevins.11
[William Roberts father of Mary Roberts who married William Collins s/o Meredith Collins; John Collins sr. s/o Old Thomas Collins and Sr.’s son John Jr.]
All of these individuals were closely associated with the Riddle family in records going back more than forty years, most recently to Pittsylvania County, Virginia, earlier to Orange County, North Carolina along the Flatt River (present-day Person County, North Carolina), and earlier still to York County, Virginia, to Louisa and Hancock counties in Virginia along the James River, to Amelia County, Virginia, to Essex County, Virginia as early as 1717, and possibly to the Pee Dee River basin in South Carolina in 1729-1730.12
In Montgomery County court records in 1774 William Riddle (Ridley) and Caijah Bunch are defendants against William Herbert, assignee of Hugh Smith.13
It is significant that in this record William’s surname is spelled “Ridley” rather than “Riddle”, and that he is closely associated with Micajer Bunch who was a leader among the Melungeon people.
This connection ties William Riddle (Ridley/Ridle) to Moses Riddle (Ridley/Ridle), who was listed as “Indian” and “malato” (sic.) on tax lists,14 giving strong evidence to the theory that Moses was William Riddle’s father.
[According to Jack Goins Old Thomas daughter married Moses Riddle ]
Brenda,
Nearly all of the names on your 1774 list are on the land entry records cited in my earlier post and there is at least one generation of the same surname in this area previous to the boys of 1774.
“Neal” Roberts is Cornelius Roberts, prob. son of William Roberts who is prob the brother or son of Phillip.
Some land entries:
27 April, 1748, Geor. Currie was granted leave to take 150 ac. patented by Phillip Roberts on Grassey Crk.
4 Oct 1750, William Roberts, land on the South Fork of Sandy River adjoining Joseph and John Martin.
William was followed in 1752 by John on Sandy Crk;
in 1753 by James; in 1757 by James Jr; and in 1769 by Cornelius “Neal” Roberts.
The Blevins & Bunchs are Wilburn/Gibson relatives.
The Wallen/Wallin ‘s cited are prob. the sons of Elisha Walling/Wallen, long hunter, who on 29 Oct 1745 entered land on Great Cherrystone Crk. Also listed (multiple listings for most but I’ve abbrev’d the descriptions here) are Jno. STUART (1745, and part of land transferred 1746 to Jas. WOOD), Christopher BOLLING (1745), Wm. BLEVINS (1745), Henry & Paul CHILDS (1745 but 1st patented 1740 and to the New River in 1750), Joseph CLOUD (1745 Sandy Crk.), Joseph COLLINS (1745 Bradley’s Crk and Panther Crk), James COLLINS (1751, on Straitson Crk; other land on Straitson next to ECHOLS’ and TALBOTT’s; Cherry Tree fork of Buffaloe Crk; Path fork of Buffaloe Crk and on Buffaloe crk next to Dan’l WILLIAMS), Richard GRIFFIN (1745, Bluewing Crk) and George SIZEMORE (1746, next to his mother Mary Sizemore’s line), COLLIER listings who are likely to be COLLINS.
and of course a list too long to type 🙂
I followed the link to the Riddle site. It is full of links and helpful info. Thanks.
I have not linked my Riddles back to MD yet. My William Riddle (1725-1777) marr Joyce(? ), had sons; Commodore & Lewis Riddle Sr, b abt 1778, VA, marr Elizabeth Barbee.
Their son John Wm Riddle b abt 1808, Bourbon Co, KY, married Mary Adeline Myers, born 1810, NJ.
Their son John Wm Riddle Jr, b 1855, Morgan Co, KY married Sophia Thomas, born 1860, Rowan Co KY. Their dau Minnie (Minta) Riddle born Sep 1877 Rowan Co, KY, married John J. Fraley.
Their dau Ethel Fraley is my GDMO, whose picture I just recently received from my 80 year old Uncle. She is a very beautiful native american, dark skin, straight black hair. My MO passed when I was a baby and my GDMO’s were passed on. MY FA did not talk to me about the family. My Uncle states we are native american descent, which I knew from their dark complexion and black hair. Everyone knew.
I am researching my family tree to answer questions that were never answered when I was little. Also, to leave something for my children, who need to know where they come from.
I am also researching Stamper, Bare, Sargent, (spellings differ), Wood, Tabor, Johnson, Brown just to name a few of my ancestors. Thanks again.
Brenda,
I don’t think I’ve mentioned that my 3rd Grt-grandparents were Cornelius “Neal” ROBERTS, b.1820 Ky, and his wife Cenia _?_. His mother was Leanna _?_, b.1795 Ky. Neal and Cenia’s dau Louisa married Thomas Vardaman Webster.
Obviously mine is not the same Cornelius “Neal” Roberts of Pitts.Co., Va 50 yrs earlier, but looks like a good lead for me.
Bill.
I just keep coming across these great threads… thought since we had some new Collins researchers, I would bring it back.:)
Sammarroq,
great idea, though i do not have the Collins, I have many of the others listed in this thread- Roberts,Blevins,Wallen,Bunch, and Sizemore. They are my lines, thanks for bringing it up!
I am new on here an not quite sure what I’m doing.:) Needing help with Riddell and Reeves connection. My direct line is George Reeves who married Jane Riddell. Have found several birthdates for Jane anywhere from 1730-1742 on ancestry. Also on ancestry found Moses to be Williams father but they have Moses b. 1725-1735 and William born 1740. Could Moses, William and Jane be brother and sister? Is George Reeves the one that was hung with Riddell and Goss? If so, were George, William and Jane Saponi ? I’m very confused with the info and any help you could give would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance, Teresa Reeves Carpenter, Alabama
Brenda Collins Dillon;6184 wrote: http://www.jimcal.com/v04is01.htm
[this is a very interesting site. I copied some of the highlighted parts but you need to read it in it’s full text. It showes that the Riddles, Sexton’s, Collins, Roberts, Belvins all knew each other. Many of these were together in Virginia, then North Carolina and then into Kentucky]
The first record which appears to definitely be this William Riddle is the 1767 tax list, Tithables of Pittsylvania County, 17676 of persons residing in the newly formed Pittsylvania County, Virginia. He is listed as “William Ridle” and next to him on the list is “Moses Ridle (Indian).”
As far as can be determined, Moses Ridle was the father of William Riddle and was of Scotch-Irish, Indian and Portuguese (Melungeon) ancestry.7
The next mention of William Riddle is found in the court records of Montgomery County, Virginia. He was involved in court cases concerning land in 1773, 1774, 1776 and 1779,9 and appears in 1773 on a Montgomery County, Virginia tax list in the area of Elk Creek along the New River.10
In 1774 William Riddle (Riddell) was a member of Capt. William Herbert’s militia company, and apparently fought in Lord Dunmore’s War at Point Pleasant on the Ohio together with Neal Roberts, William Roberts, James Wallen, Joseph Wallen, Thomas Wallen, James Wallin, William Ingram, John Cox, George Sizemore, Micajer Bunch, Doswell Rogers, Nathaniel Wilshire, Clement Lee, George Keith, David Cox, Elisha Collins, Lewis Collins, John Collins, John Collins Jr., John Cox, David Cox, Daniel Blevins, James Blevins and William Blevins.11
[William Roberts father of Mary Roberts who married William Collins s/o Meredith Collins; John Collins sr. s/o Old Thomas Collins and Sr.’s son John Jr.]
All of these individuals were closely associated with the Riddle family in records going back more than forty years, most recently to Pittsylvania County, Virginia, earlier to Orange County, North Carolina along the Flatt River (present-day Person County, North Carolina), and earlier still to York County, Virginia, to Louisa and Hancock counties in Virginia along the James River, to Amelia County, Virginia, to Essex County, Virginia as early as 1717, and possibly to the Pee Dee River basin in South Carolina in 1729-1730.12
In Montgomery County court records in 1774 William Riddle (Ridley) and Caijah Bunch are defendants against William Herbert, assignee of Hugh Smith.13
It is significant that in this record William’s surname is spelled “Ridley” rather than “Riddle”, and that he is closely associated with Micajer Bunch who was a leader among the Melungeon people.
This connection ties William Riddle (Ridley/Ridle) to Moses Riddle (Ridley/Ridle), who was listed as “Indian” and “malato” (sic.) on tax lists,14 giving strong evidence to the theory that Moses was William Riddle’s father.
[According to Jack Goins Old Thomas daughter married Moses Riddle ]
I have read about William Riddle, the Tory but based on my research, I don’t think he is my ancestor because it seems his decendants all migrated to Texas. According to what I have seen, he has several brothers but I can’t find their decendants. Moses Riddle sounds like my ancestor because my mother said that our Riddles had been here so long no one could remember where they had come from and they had intermarried with Native Americans numerous times. My mother said they were ‘black dutch’ even though her father had red hair. I can trace back, reliably, to Tobais Riddle born 1809 m Sophia Robertson. After that, I’m not confident but his father may have been Issac Riddle and some think the son of William. My Riddle’s stayed in VA, NC, WV and did not leave the mountains. I’m wondering if Issac’s father could have been a brother to William. I would love to connect with anyone who knows more or has the same line.
Thank you for you help in answering. For some reason I’m just now seeing the reply that was posted sometime way back. I’m still searching and any new info that has been found is more than welcome.
Teresa
See you told me to go back and read full text on your reply. Sorry but not sure where or how to do that on this site. Any help with that would also be greatly appreciated.
Teresa
Are you saying a post was lost? We did have some difficulties a few months back with the site being hacked and we had to restore from a backup. Do you remember who was talking to you?
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