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I’ve been researching on Ancestry. Found something that may be of interest and hoping someone can help.
First I can’t find any documentation that George Reeves marring Jane Burton. What have found is where it was prev listed his wife being Jane Riddle/Riddell which I believe to be correct.
Second – Margaret Redley who married Edward Buss Riddle had child Moses Riddle born 1710-16. Moses married Mary Gibson ????? they had two children William Riddle b. 1740 and Jane b. 1730.???? This needs verifying and in help in that would be greatly appreciated.
Found information from several sites stating Reeves was hung with Riddle and Goss. Not sure if it was Reeves wife who was with them or Riddles.
George Reeves and his wife Jane name believe first male child William, which was common custom to name child after father or eldest uncle I’m told.
If anyone can help with this please do so. Know from family DNA test some are pulling from Riddle.
Also found this information-RIDLEY FAMILY1. Margaret Redley, born say 1692, was presented by the churchwardens of Washington Parish, Westmoreland County, Virginia, on 28 June 1710? for having a bastard child. She may have been identical to “Margrett a Servt. to Calleb Butler” who was presented by the churchwardens of Washington Parish on 28 May 1707 and 22 February 1710 for “fornication & haveing a Mulatto bastard.” On 24 June 1713 she and Edward Buss “a Mulatto” were presented by the grand jury for fornication and cohabiting together [Orders 1705-21, 58, 66, 136a, 140a, 143a, 145a, 155a, 217]. She was probably the mother of Moses. Moses, born say 1710, owned land in Orange County, North Carolina, adjoining George Gibson and Thomas Collins [Orange County Loose Papers, vol. V, no. 131; vol.VI, no. 579]. He and his wife Mary were “Mulatto” Orange County taxables in 1755 [N.C. Archives T&C 1, p.8]. He was called a poor debtor in February 1761 when William Chavis sued him in Orange County court [Haun, Orange County Court Minutes, I:459]. He was probably related to Moses Ridle, an “Indian” tithable in John Wilson’s Pittsylvania County tax list for 1767.
I have family info (pretty extensive) starting with Isaac Riddle and Anna Grizzel and continuing down through their son John. It is not involving the last generation but up to there.
I then have William and Harriet Happy as Isaac’s parent. I do not have definitive proof but am leaning towards Happy’s father being James instead of Dauswell. Williams parents, I have Moses and Mary. I am of the belief that Mary is the daughter Of Thomas Collins.
Any help on where the indian roots are for sure and more on the history goes would be wonderful. I am also very willing to share the knowledge I do have, with anyone needing to update their info for this family.
I found this article and there are interesting things in it. I am wondering if anyone has read the books that are listed at the end of it? Also, I was wondering, does anyone know if maybe since Mr. Buss was listed at Mulatto and so was Ms Redley, and we know from the papers they were cohabitating, could they have had a situation where he was Moses’ father and due to the times they could not say that? This is completely my speculation but I am wondering if there was just too much danger for them to have said at first that he was his father. Moses could then have gone by her name as a last resort name because she could not or was not willing to give Buss’ name as his father.
Thu, 10 Oct 1996 From: Enrique E. Gildemeister
This question ties in with the thread of Melungeons, Lumbees, and other groups. Very often census takers recorded them white or mulatto depending on their own judgment. Genealogical research must take into account that a mulatto and a white with the same name are actually the same person. One clue is whether the head of the household (male) had colored women in the house, for which a head tax was imposed. Again, this was done randomly according to the whims of the census takers or government officials assigning racial status. A further wrinkle is that in many communities, whites accepted people of known mulatto background as white. They simply were sponsors or spokespersons for the family in question if anyone questioned. Whites and free colored people continued to intermarry right up to the time of the Civil War. These people were never slaves, or their servitude was so remote in the past, and their mixture was from wedlock. They are different from the manumitted mulattos, as I call them, and their descendants (Julian Bond, Thurgood Marshall, and Andy Young, for example); these were descended from masters and overseers. However, the law lumped into one term, free Negroes, three distinct groups: 1) the free blacks 2) the triracial groups 3) manumitted mulattoes. My take on this is that the triracials developed a collective identity in the colonial period, before the blacks did. Read the DeMarce articles and the other sources I’m listing below. If that’s too much time/effort, at least read the DeMarce articles. Her work really brings the question of who was and who was not a mulatto and how people can be traced in situations where census takers and other public officials waffled back and forth. You see, the early South was very fluid and loose, unlike after the Civil War, and people considered you white if they liked you. No kidding! Yes, there were “known mulattos” marrying whites openly, invited to dine at white people’s tables, serving on juries. These people did not have to take a “white guardian” and they were generally made free from the laws that attempted to supervise closely the Free Negroes. So, if a person is listed as MU, you need to do a lot of interpreting. Do the records show that they lived in close proximity to other people listed as MU or W. Hope people aren’t bored by this. I, personally, like this subject, and anyone else interested in tracing MU’s should read at least the two DeMarce articles. We’re getting from her proof that the ante-bellum racial world was radically different from what we thought we knew.
DeMarce, Virginia Easley. “Looking at legends–Lumbee and Melungeons: applied genealogy and the origins of tri-racial isolate settlements” in: National Genealogical Society Quarterly. v.81, no.1 (Mar. 1992), p.24-45.
“‘Verry slitly mixt’: tri-racial isolate families of the Upper South–a genealogical study.” In: National Genealogical Society Quarterly. v.80, no.1 (Mar. 1992), p.5-35. The DeMarce articles (above) include exhaustive bibliographical and archival notes. Incredibly detailed, often using previously unknown sources.
Price, Edward T. Mixed-blood populations of eastern United States as to origins, localizations, and persistence. Thesis (Ph. D.)–University of California, Berkeley, 1950. Unfortunately not available through UMI.
“A geographical analysis of white-Indian-Negro racial mixtures in the Eastern United States.” In: Annals of the Association of American Geographers. v.43, p.138-155
Confused;36935 wrote: oups. Very often census takers recorded them white or mulatto depending on their own judgment. Genealogical research must take into account that a mulatto and a white with the same name are actually the same person. One clue is whether the head of the household (male) had colored women in the house, for which a head tax was imposed. Again, this was done randomly according to the whims of the census takers or government officials assigning racial status. A further wrinkle is that in many communities, whites accepted people of known mulatto background as white. They simply were sponsors or spokespersons for the family in question if anyone questioned.
This explanation fits for my ancestor Isom Good born in the 1780s. He was listed as mullato in one census and then white in a later one when he is with a Quaker group.
Edward Buss is likely Edward BASS, a Nansemand ndn.
Moses Riddle’s Orange co land was in present day Person co, very near the present Durham co line.
I am seeing Moses Riddle b.1725 Orange Co NC in the genealogy of others who share the Drybread name with my family. Have still not been able to see where the link is though.
The oldest picture I’ve found on the line from my cousin’s (somehow) genealogy is John ‘Fergison’ ‘Fergerson’ Riddle (b 1857 Grass Run, Gilmer, WV and Sarah ‘Sarry’ Elizabeth Cottrill/Cottrell (b 25 Sep 1862 Calhoun WV).
John and Sarah Riddle 
Sarah Cottrell Riddle
James Riddle 1780 VA – 1851 Crawford IN.
Listed as grandson to Moses Riddle and Sarah Gibson/Collins.
His g-grandaughter Josie M Riddle 1914-1995 married Russel E Massie 1912-1995. Russel Massie’s father was Joseph Oscar Massie 1874-1945. (The Massie’s marry into my Indiana Jones/Smith line. One of my direct ancestors on this line is Joseph Oscar Smith 1850-1930. His grandmother Massa Jones was also called ‘Massey’.)
Joseph Oscar Massie is the g-grandson of Mary Polly Miller 1794-1859.
Mary Polly Miller’s daugther Eliza Jane Miller (1829 – 1884) married Dr. John James Poff (1818 – 1875). John Poff is the grandson of Rev John Jones (1773-1847) sister to Massa Jones.
My Goode is still a brick-wall past Isham Good 1780 Randolph NC – 1860 Clinton OH. Have found a tree on Ancestry that seems connected though, Collins41.
Other shared names in our trees besides Good are Erwin/Irwin, Cunningham and Douglass. Among the ancestors of Monroe Lee Edge 1872-1942. The other lines include several Collins, Cloud, & Richardson. Other names are Bird, Penn, Deal, Connor, Nobles, Early, Rasberry/Rasbury, Browne, Lewis, Beverly, Hendricks.
I’ve digested the better part of my latest Rick Haithcock compilation: “Catawba, Cheraw, Tutelo, Saponi and Niasont, Oniasont Histories, Photos, and Migrations in the Virginia, Carolina Piedmont and the Ohio River Valley, Volume 75”
I’m noticing that Poff is on the list of Catawba names. There are three Jones sisters who married three Poff men in the Indiana Jones-Smith line of our tree.
Frances/Franke/Fanny Jones m. Samuel Poff, Abigail Jones m. Matthew Poff, and Lucy Jones m. Henry Poff all in Clinton Co Ohio.
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