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brenda –
thank you for stating the researcher, i should have been more clear. after reading govind’s material, i wanted to comment and thank you for bringing the collection here.
😉 You’re very welcome. His research maps his ancesters travel along some of the same trails that mine traveled. I have found Reed/Reid families intermarried to Collins. I was also interested in what he had to say on the Bennett lines.
Several years ago I spoke to Airy Dixon about my Bennett/Perry/Lyons/Allman/Patterson families and he told me that almost all of those names show up in the Pumunkey Tribes. I keep searching but thus far have found no clue to lead me to the truth.
As for the Collins line I can not be sure of what tribe. They were called MELUNGEONS but according to two elder Melungeon historians named Jarvis and Ghrose, the Melungeons were living in Virginia as “friendly Indians” before migerating into Tennessee, western Virginia, Kentucky and up into West Virginia. Vardy Collins being the best known of them all is found living on land in Wilkes County, NC adjoining my Meredith Collins. The years between 1780-1797 are a mystery. I can’t find my Meredith anywhere. If I could crack those years perhaps I would learn the mysteries of the Collins line.
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Thats interesting, i woundn’t think all of those to be pamunkey – but there is more that i dont know than know. Is he thinking of Collins and Allmond?
Does your Perry line end up anywhere in Eastern NC? Where does your collins come from before the time mentioned? i cant remember and i know youve posted these things before.
What is Airy’s interest in the Bennet from Chowan?
Dear Brenda,
Do you know where Airy Dixon got his documentation from, regarding Patterson’s being Pamunkey Indian? I would be very interested to know what his sources are. I’m not disputing it, I just want more info., since my Patterson’s married into my Cash line. My great-great grandmother was a Patterson, prior to marriage. Thank you for all your help.
Sincerely,
CoheeLady
We spoke only in general. He stated nothing in documentation of any of these names. He only said the surnames could be found among the Pumunkey. There is no proof of any of them being my lines.
The Lyons and Allmond/Allman I have seen connected with Onieda so I am sure the names could show up in other tribes also.
Brenda,
Thanks for your reply. I will contact my Pamunkey friend, & ask her about the Pattersons. I will keep you informed. Thanks again & God Bless.
Sincerely,
CoheeLady 🙂
Forest Hazel wrote: Robins (Robbins)and Bennett are identified as Indian in Gates county up to around 1800 in some of the apprentice records. Usually identified in land records as “Chowan Indians” The Robbins family among the modern Meherrin comes from the Gates county group. I have long felt that a relationship between the Nansemond, Nottoway, Meherrin, and Chowan could be demonstrated using both historical records and genealogical information. The Bizzle name, which occurs as Indian in both the Nansemond area and the Meherrin community is one example. Given the fact that a couple dozen or so folks were counted as Indian in 1870 in the area of the Nottoway Reservation, there are almost certainly descendants still in the area today.
I know Gates County has come up here a few time lately…thoought this thread might be of some help…
I appreciate you pointing this topic out to me, it was quite useful! Especially for the Geneology that Im researching
Has anyone run across the “Duck” surname in the Isle of Wight, VA area? According to a family story, my wife’s great-grandmother, Margaret Duck (b. ca. 1888) reportedly walked out of an Indian village in Isle of Wight and married into the Butler family.
I am currently looking into the Cheroenhaka (Nottoway) Tribe for a link, and wondering if anyone else has run across this name?
Kind Regards,
Four Cats
Descendant of, and researching the Barnes, Cannon, Creed, and Mitchell families.
Welcome, 4cats
try this link for some possible leads. The Duck surname has been in Isle of wight,Va since before 1700
My Collinses, and some related lines, come from Isle of Wight, and I know that I’ve seen the Duck surname in my research. None are in my database so they aren’t intermarried with mine, but I suspect I’ve seen it in land records or some such. Check Nansemond County as well as my people lived right along the county line (in the Kingsale Swamp area in southern parts of both counties) and I suspect that’s where I’ve seen the Duck name. Sorry I can’t give chapter and verse at this time.
Michael Dunn
Many thanks Dreaminghawk and MichealDunn!
Michael, I wonder if you share any ties to my Barnes/Fiveash ancestors? I have quite a bit on the Barnes’ and Mitchell’s that I would like to post here in the near future to help someone else out.
I will share my latest Mitchell finding, in case someone else is pulling their hair out on this connection right now. I spent several months trying to chase down my G-G-Grandfather William Harvy Mitchell (b. 2/11/1881, d. 12/17/1945) who lived in McDowell Co. WV. He was reported to have been born in Tazewell Co. VA, and I spent an exhaustive amount of time looking in that area to no avail. On a second glance at his death certificate, I noticed that the “v” in his middle name was changed from a “g” or another letter.
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When I tried a search on “William Hardy Mitchell”, I found a William Mitchell born in 1881 in Pitt Co. NC, who had a father named Hardy Mitchell. Now, I have to figure out exactly where these folks were from. I suspect Lumbee or Tuscarora at the moment, as Hardy was a common Indian name in that area. I’ll let you know what I find on the Duck ancestry search as I move forward on that.
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Kind Regards,
Four Cats
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Descendant of, and researching the Barnes, Cannon, Creed, and Mitchell families.
Quick update-
I have made some headway on my wife’s Margaret Duck G-Grandmother. According to the 1880 Federal Census, Margaret Duck was the daughter of William and Mattie Callis of Totaro (Brunswick) VA, born ca. 1861.
I have asked the Cheroenhaka if they recognize this surname, or it may be one of the nearby Occaneechi or Saponi nations. Of interest, Totaro would be about eight miles west of Emporia, VA, just south of Route 58.
Kind Regards,
Four Cats
Descendant of, and researching the Barnes, Cannon, Creed, and Mitchell families.
Forest Hazel wrote: I’m glad to see some of the Nottaway descendants getting together. From looking at the post Civil War census for Southampton, I figured there must be a fair number of descendants there.
Are any of your folks named Brown? One of my college professors told me an interesting story about some Browns in Southampton and their relation (or non-relation) to the Blacks in the county. Are there any Stewarts there? I understand some of the Scholars changed their name to Stewart after the Civil War.
I have Brown relations near Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA and then on to MO.
Issac Brown Sr d. abt 1796 married to Martha (?)
Isaac Jr. B. abt 1760-1765 d. 1834 married to Mary(?) and/or Sarah Burson May 26 1784
David Erasmus b. may 5, 1827. Loudoun Co., VA. d. Oct. 11 1910 in Mayes Co., OK. Married Mary Hixson, Apr. 18, 1850 in Guernsey Co., OH and Ellen Eve Ash July 18, 1899 in Camden CO., MO.
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