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Hi Cherosage,
I believe the Brown surname is affiliated with the Cheroenhaka (Nottoway) tribe in this area. My wife’s people are from this area, and I’m focusing more of my research time here to see what I can dig up for her. The Brown name is also recognized by the Tuscarora Nation in Bertie, Co. NC.
I agree with Forest Hazel that it is good to see more discussion on the topics of our ancestors and heritage. Your Ash surname is interesting, as I have Fiveash’s in my line who were located in the swamps west of Nansemond Co. (Suffolk) VA. I do see three Hixson’s on the Dawes Final Rolls listed as Cherokee, so you may want to have a look in this area of your family as well.
Best Regards,
Four Cats
Hi Dreaminghawk,
Where are your Reed’s from? I have Reed’s and Adams’ on my mother’s side who lived in Troutville, VA (near Marion) for over 100 years, up until the late 1970’s.
Best Regards,
Four Cats
Descendant of, and researching the Barnes, Cannon, Creed, and Mitchell families.
cherosage wrote: I have Brown relations near Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA and then on to MO.
Issac Brown Sr d. abt 1796 married to Martha (?)
Isaac Jr. B. abt 1760-1765 d. 1834 married to Mary(?) and/or Sarah Burson May 26 1784
David Erasmus b. may 5, 1827. Loudoun Co., VA. d. Oct. 11 1910 in Mayes Co., OK. Married Mary Hixson, Apr. 18, 1850 in Guernsey Co., OH and Ellen Eve Ash July 18, 1899 in Camden CO., MO.
Bob,
I know it is a common name, but I also have Brown’s…Lois Brown m. Elliot Lacy. I have nothing on Lois, except she was born in VA??
Shirley
sammarroq wrote: Bob,
I know it is a common name, but I also have Brown’s…Lois Brown m. Elliot Lacy. I have nothing on Lois, except she was born in VA??
Shirley
What time frame? I’ll try to dig a little more if I can. My David E. came to MO prior to the War. In fact he served in the MO Militia for a short time and then enlisted in one of the Ross Units while in western MO.
Bob
Four Cats wrote: Hi Cherosage,
I believe the Brown surname is affiliated with the Cheroenhaka (Nottoway) tribe in this area. My wife’s people are from this area, and I’m focusing more of my research time here to see what I can dig up for her. The Brown name is also recognized by the Tuscarora Nation in Bertie, Co. NC.
I agree with Forest Hazel that it is good to see more discussion on the topics of our ancestors and heritage. Your Ash surname is interesting, as I have Fiveash’s in my line who were located in the swamps west of Nansemond Co. (Suffolk) VA. I do see three Hixson’s on the Dawes Final Rolls listed as Cherokee, so you may want to have a look in this area of your family as well.
Best Regards,
Four Cats
David E. was a signer of a Cherokee Constitution in 1895. I’m not sure he was actually Cherokee. For some reason his application was not accepted. Maybe he passed away to early. Not sure of the actual date that these Rolls were accepted.
His wife, my GGGGrandma, I think I have th eright number of G’s, died on their way from West Central MO to OK to register. She is buried in Joplin MO at the Fairview Shawnee Cemetery. She was from OH as were many Shawnees. On the Dawes Rolls not everyone was Cherokee by blood.
Since she passed away enroute, she never was enrolled. SO, even if her sisters/brothers/cuzns etc were enrolled I can’t qualify from that blood lline. Perhaps if and only if one or both of her parents came west to enroll then I could go of of their allottee number. You MUST be a Direct decendent of an allottee. I do have other NDN family lines though. I am of the same family line way back as Chad Smith and some others on the Cherokee side.
These things, I am really up on. I just live a little ways from the territory. and can’t get any help since we live outside the districts territory.
Hi Folks,
I’ve made some progress on my wife’s Duck surname, and run into an intersting dead end at the moment. According to the 1850 U.S. Census, Wm (William) Duck (age 20) is living with the following Carr Family in Isle of Wight, VA-
Benja T Carr 5
Elizabeth Carr 64
Hi Linda,
My Cannons are from Canonsburg, PA (in Washington Co., just south of Pittsburgh).
Best Regards,
Four Cats
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I’ve made some progress on my wife’s Duck surname, and run into an intersting dead end at the moment. According to the 1850 U.S. Census, Wm (William) Duck (age 20) is living with the following Carr Family in Isle of Wight, VA-
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I’m wondering who this William’s parents were? I do see a Duck/Carr marriage about 100 years earlier between a William Duck and Eleanor Carr in 1734. I’m also curious as to who knowns where I can find a list of Nansemond Indian Surnames while I dig in this area?<O:p</O:p
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Four Cats
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This is getting interesting! I found a web page about the Soloman and Sarah Owens Carr family at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genpcncfir/messages/13523?xm=1&m=e&l=1, who currently appear to be the best candidates as parents for the young Soloman Carr above.<O:p</O:p
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According to these posts by J. Webb and L. Bass, Soloman and Sarah Carr were married in Isle of Wight, VA ca. 1782, and Soloman died in 1820. Sarah Carr was found living in Pitt Co. NC in April 1843. The marriage between Eleanor Carr and William Duck is confirmed here, and they are the parents of Sarah Duck (d. 09/23/1754) who married a John Owens.
Regards,
Four Cats
Hi Four Cats! Here are a few Nansemond surnames taken from a link by Steven Sappony Hill~
6/17/2005
1735 to 1808 Southampton Co., VA Indians
Listed as Nottoway and Nansemond Indians on land deeds in Southampton, Virginia:
1735……………….King Edmunds, James Harrison, Ned, Peter, Robert Scoller Sam, Wanoke Robin, William Hines, Frank, Wanoke Robin Jr. Cockarons Tom, Cockarons Will.
1750……………….Sam, Frank, Jack Will, John Turner, Wat Bailey, George Skipper
1795……………….John Turner, Celia Rogers (a Nansemond), Suky Turner
1808 Special Census on Nottoway in Southampton:
adults: Litteton Scholar, Tom Turner, Jemmy Wineoak, Edy Turner, Nancy Turner, Betsy Step
Children: Tom Step, Henry Turner, Alexander Rogers, John Woodson, Winny Woodson, Anny Woodson, Polly Woodson, Fanny Bartlett, Solomon Bartlett, Billy Woodson, Jenny Woodson Hope this helps~Blessingsr~ 🙂 Greydove
cherosage wrote: What time frame? I’ll try to dig a little more if I can. My David E. came to MO prior to the War. In fact he served in the MO Militia for a short time and then enlisted in one of the Ross Units while in western MO.
Bob
Hi Bob, here is all I have on Lois Brown…
Miss Lois Brown
P:Thomas Lacy , Ann Burnley
VA
b.1726
VA
d.20 Nov 1777
I also have another purported John Brown…the father of my Mary Polly Daniel, who m. George Gibson Perry, KY 1833.
Shirley
Thanks Greydove!
I recently found a piece on http://www.tamandmichael.com by Michael Dunn (not sure if he’s the same one that chats here) that mentioned the Ducks being a known family in the Kingsale swamp area back in 1763.
According to this website, a jury was called to decide on a land issue between a Bejamin Baker and James Tallow. The jurors mentioned were “William Duck, Abraham Carr, John Duck, Joshua Council, Jacob Butler, James Collins, Job Holland, Lemuel Holland, John Daughtry, William Daughtry and Richard Wooten”.
I do have the Carr/Duck marriage in this timeframe which may tie the Ducks to Powhatan, but I have not found any tribes claiming the Duck surname as of yet. My Barnes’ were in the same Kingsale area, and they are Tuscarora.
Kind Regards,
Four Cats
You are most welcome Four Cats~ I looked around for some Duck~NAI~ties and ironically I landed on a post back here in SaponiTown archives by Janette back in June of 2007~ck it out~It’s listed under “Direct Descendants of John Owens~Sarah Duck as his 2nd wive~ http://www.saponitown.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-3143.html Good Luck~:D ~Greydove~
Thanks Greydove,
This info helps! What I am starting to see is this small Duck family that eluded most historical documentation moving along the VA/NC border. I have just sat down to sort all my findings out once more, and as of today, I have found them moving around Pitt and Northampton, NC. I also found a Barnes/Duck marriage which may tie them back into my line as well.
Kind regards,
Four Cats
Four Cats:
Yeah, it’s the same Michael Dunn. Duck and Carr are both old names along the Isle of Wight/Nansemond county line (there’s a “Carrsville” in the area still, though it’s now part of the city of Suffolk I believe). I know my Collinses are intermarried with the Carrs; not sure about the Ducks. Some Carrs (and my Collinses) moved down to Franklin County, NC, just southwest of where the Haliwa/Saponi live today, and all these families have links with surnames found both among the Nansemond and the Haliwa/Saponi. I’ve still never found a certain native link in my own lines, but the intermarriages with family names like Bass, Richardson, and others are suggestive.
Michael Dunn
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