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Greydove wrote: Hi Four Cats! Here are a few Nansemond surnames taken from a link by Steven Sappony Hill~
6/17/2005
1735 to 1808 Southampton Co., VA Indians
Listed as Nottoway and Nansemond Indians on land deeds in Southampton, Virginia:
1735……………….King Edmunds, James Harrison, Ned, Peter, Robert Scoller Sam, Wanoke Robin, William Hines, Frank, Wanoke Robin Jr. Cockarons Tom, Cockarons Will.
1750……………….Sam, Frank, Jack Will, John Turner, Wat Bailey, George Skipper
1795……………….John Turner, Celia Rogers (a Nansemond), Suky Turner
1808 Special Census on Nottoway in Southampton:
adults: Litteton Scholar, Tom Turner, Jemmy Wineoak, Edy Turner, Nancy Turner, Betsy Step
Children: Tom Step, Henry Turner, Alexander Rogers, John Woodson, Winny Woodson, Anny Woodson, Polly Woodson, Fanny Bartlett, Solomon Bartlett, Billy Woodson, Jenny Woodson Hope this helps~Blessingsr~ 🙂 Greydove
This is interesting since I have some Sams from the mid-1700s from the Monogalia Co., (now) WV or across the line in PA. I have an Edward Sams.
Hi folks,
I would first like to thank Greydove and Micheal Dunn for their thoughts and input in helping figure out my wife’s mysterious Duck ancestors!
Working with the only clue that was passed down through my wife’s family of a “Margaret Duck who walked out of a Native American village around 1900 in isle of Wight VA.”, I have been able to piece this together-
Some of us are familiar with the John Owens and Sarah duck marriage in the late 1700’s. They had a son named William Duck who kept the mother’s surname and little was said about him. I found William living alone in the 1810 Federal Census for Isle of Wight, VA, and according to “Ancestry.com”, William married an Unknown wife and they had William Jr. In the 1820 Federal Census, I found his son, William Duck, Jr. and what I believe was left of this Duck family-
1820 Isle of Wight Census
John Duck
Mary Duck
Tyler Duck
William Duck Jr.
John and Mary were listed as the parents of the home, and Tyler and William Jr. were listed as children. I did find that Mary Duck was born ca. 1786, and could possibly be William Jr.’s mother remarried to this John Duck?
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I now understand where this only Duck came from that was living with the Carr family in 1850 (In case you noticed, I have a 10 year descrepancy that I haven’t quite ironed out yet.)
1850 U.S. Census of Isle of Wight, VA-
Benja T Carr 5
Elizabeth Carr 64
Mary E Carr 4
Polly Carr 24
Sarah F Carr 1
Solomon Carr 26
Wm Duck 20
I did some digging into what may have happened to William Duck Sr. and Mary, and made the following finding-
Mary Duck was enrolled on Indian Affairs “IA_70” and found living in Iowa in 1856. I can only assume this, or worse for William, Sr. and the other Ducks. Suspecting the other ducks may have been victims of the “Indian Removal Act”, I found that those of the Duck surname were in fact removed with the Tuscarora to points north in PA and NY.
(http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/tuscarra.htm)
In the 1900 Federal Census, my wife’s G-Grandmother is Maggie F Duck-
William Duck 71
Mattie J Duck 38
Junius R Duck 24
John W Duck 23
George W Duck 17
Stephen H Duck 13
Maggie F Duck 12
Annie R Lavender 21
Fabius Lavender 2
Ella M Lavender 1
The only question remains is who claims this surname? These Ducks must have been Native American if they were placed on reservations, and shipped up north with the Tuscarora under the “Indian Removal Act”.
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Best Regards,
Four Cats
I was under the impression that the Tuscarora moved north and joined with the 6 nations of their own choosing and it had nothing to do with the Indian Removal Act?
The Tuscarora did move to Six Nations following the Tuscarora War in 1713. I don’t know if I’d characterize it as ‘their own choosing” and it’s also unclear if the migration was universal. I know there’s mention in the colonial records of Tuscarora warriors still taking pot shots at Saponi living in Virginia in the years following the war, could that have been as late as the 1730’s? Not sure. Lots of things make me think that movement northward was incomplete and hesitant, including all the present day North Carolinians who claim that descent.
Although I’ve never come across anything documenting Indian people being pushed northward during Removal, though it is true that it was a drawn out process. There’s nothing to say that some might have chose to go to kin in another area rather than wait for the army to herd them west at gunpoint. It’s also unclear to me if the Removal was directed more or less exclusively at the Cherokee and the other Five Civilized Tribes, or how much pressure was on the survivors of the other tribes still living in the upper south.
Hi Linda and Dreaminghawk,
I appreciate your comments!
Dreaminghawk, you make a good observation, as I too have heard this move was voluntary to create the six nations. To Linda’s point, I also agree that this move was not completely voluntary. The Southern Tuscarora living in the Pamlico/Ucouhnerunt villiage area of NC were being raided and sold into slavery (most likely what my Barnes and Mitchell’s were running from a century later in this area just before slavery was abolished). The Northern Tuscarora in the Bertie, NC area saw much combat action with the Colonists. Colonel Barnwell of SC reportedly drove them back into their fort above the Newbern area, and forced them to surrender.
Linda, I also agree with your second point. Members of my ancestors dodged the reservations and made a new life in the hills, and others eventually returned to the Carolinas later on. I have worked in the Buffalo/Toronto area quite a bit in the past, and I could not imagine giving up the the good fishing and warmth of NC in exchange for those long, cold winters!
Best Regards,
Four Cats
Removal was during the 1830s, over 100 years after the Tuscarora War. I have seen no evidence that there were cohesive tribal units of Tuscarora in Isle of Wight, Va in the 1830s. People of Tuscarora heritage were undoubtedly living in Va and NC but they were living “euro-style” on family farms.
I agree that all people of native heritage living east of the Mississippi after 1838 were very hush-hush about their heritage for fear of being removed to Okla…. a fear that remains to this day among some of the most elderly. We were told never to tell ANYONE that we were indian.
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