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Vance; I would really envite an in-depth study of this group of families. As it is, you pretty much have to try to follow each family one at a time.
Here is an excellent webpage by Mary Harris called “Research Notes for the Family of Cornelius Roberts and Mary Benton.”
http://mkhgenealogy.com/Roberts/
It has some of the lists on it’s Research Notes page that I have mentioned in my above post.
It appears to me that after their service in Lord Dunmore’s War of 1774 these families first chose to be loyal to the British Crown but by 1780 they were taking oaths of allegiance to the new U.S. government.
It appears that the leader of the Elk Creek Tories was William Riddle with their main hideout on Riddle’s Knob on Elk Creek.
He is believed to be the son of the “Indian” Moses Riddle.
Here is good website for William Riddle by Mary Hill,
http://www.jimcal.com/v04is01.htm
The men mentioned above by Bill, and again mentioned by Mary Harris on her webpage, are in effect being pardoned for suspected Tory activities.
Dan.
Thanks Dan — that is interesting. Right now I don’t have a lotta time, but when I do, I’ll lok into this more.
Linda and Dan, are the “Longhunters” and the “Longknives” the same thing?
thanks
vance
Vance; I think the name “Longknives” was used by the Shawnee to describe the men who fought against them in Lord Dunmore’s War and at the Battle of Point Pleasant. Men from the “Longhunters” families that I am referring to were in those frontier militias and some did fight at Point Pleasant. Others were just stationed at the fronteir forts. I feel you could say that some of the “Longhunters” were indeed “Longknives.”
There is a reference out there to a 1780 Montgomery County., Va. court session; GEORGE REEVES, James Howell, WILLIAM ROBERTS, NEAL ROBERTS, Moses Johnson, RICHARD GREEN, Richard Wright, Clem Lee, and George Herd were restored their property for lack of evidence that they actively fought against the government.
This is the George Reeves mentioned in another recent post by Bill.
A strange thing is as you study these families, and families they were associated with, you find oral traditions of being Cherokee with several descendants coming forward at the time of the Guion-Miller Commission (ca. 1908) and making Eastern Cherokee claims.
The families of William Vaughan, Henry Skaggs, Doswell Rogers, Thomas Wallen, Edward Sizemore, my family of Green (Gardner Green) are a few.
Dan.
Dan,
Have you seen those Guion-Miler roll records? I think the originals will tell why they were rejected, if they were rejected. There was a “Samuel Ritchey Jr” on rejected Dawes and when I read it — it said he married a Cherokee and they’d since separated, but it said he wasn’t Cherokee. My great great grandpa Joseph E Richey had a brother named Samuel Richey — but we have no record of who he married — and this “Samuel Ritchey Jr” was the right age to have been his son, but we don’t know.
Some of thse people who were rejected might have been Indian, but just not Cherokee. The tribe they belonged to might have been declared extinct so they tried to cling onto the Cherokee. 69 tribes were removed to Oklahoma, but only 38 or 39 are recognized today, leaving the whereabouts of about 30 tribes unknown (to me anyhow). I’d like to get a list of those other tribes, but don’t have it yet. That’s the only explanation that makes sense to me, but maybe others have a better idea.
vance
Vance,
“google” up
“indian removal act”
or
“native american removal”
for lots of background.
I didn’t read thru all of the hundreds of sites listed for either one but didn’t see any that might list all Nations removed either. If someone’s got the time, maybe they can find a list of those Nations. That would be interesting to know.
Brenda, If you would like for me to see if I can find some information on the cook family here in greenbrier county I’ll be glad to. Just need names and dates.
Waitman,
Go to “Share Genealogy Research” and scroll down til you find Neff/Cook Connection. All the information is there. Mary is such a common name for those days that I just don’t know where she came from but feel she is related to the Nancy cook that married John Neff.( Perhaps a sister)
Brenda
Brenda, I’ll be going to the Greenbrier county courthouse and I’ll check on these names. Also I’ll check at the historical Society and see what they have there. Sometimes they have more information there than at the courthouse. Have a good day.
Brenda & Waitman,
These COOKs were centered on Lewisburg, WVa., previously named Fort Union and it’s original name was COOK’s Fort on Indian Creek, described in “History of the Valley of Virginia” by Kercheval, pg.376, as “it was oblong, covering one and a half acres of ground” and in 1774 (“Dunmore’s War” era), “sheltering about 300 people”. I haven’t been able to prove it, but it appears that David Cook, b.abt.1770s at Cook’s Fort, was probably Mary Cook Spencer’s grandfather (possibly her father?). If it is true that he was born at Cook’s Fort, that would imply that the founder of Cook’s Fort was his (?) father(?) uncle(?). I don’t know yet. Tough one to crack but it looks to me that in that time period of the 1770s, there was only one Cook line in that neighborhood and they stayed there for another 70 yrs.
Since you’re going records “diving”, Waitman, I thought I’d throw that out there in case you run across the place and the name.
Bill
Bill, Have you ran across the name Valentine Cook? I read somewhere that he was the founder of that fort. An elder cousin on this Spencer side said Valentine was a good possibility but I have never been able to put all his children together. I know one son was a minister and mogerated into Kentucky.
Brenda
I have read with interest the information on the RIDDLE family, and am wondering if they may be distantly related to my RIDDELL/RIDDLE family, which was in Orange Co VA from 1700 to 1800. My great grandmother Riddell has mixed Indian ancestry, but I haven’t figured out were it comes in. Family lines that have married into my Riddell line in VA are NEAL, RIDDLE, POWELL, HERNDON, SCOTT, STEPHENS, MOORE, WALLER, KING, PENDLETON, POLLARD, WARE, GLENN, COX, MEADE, THOMPSON, WINN, YELTON, GLENN.
Also, my cousin took a DNA test tracing his RIDDELL surname back, it would be interesting to see if any RIDDLE men out there have also taken this to see if we match.
And how would I get a hold of the Guion-Miler roll records to see if any of my family in east Tennessee had tried to claim Cherokee heritage. Do these rolls only show those who were accepted or the rejected folks as well?
Shad
Folks,
I am new to this forum, but happened across your ‘conversation’.
You mentioned Elisha Collins, Lewis Collins, and John Collins, all of whom were brothers (or at least father & sons) in my family line.
Does anyone have any further information on these gentlemen? I would love to share my information. Sara(h) Penelope COLLINS (my 2nd g-grandmother) was the daughter of Nathaniel Madison COLLINS, and wife of William Marion SIMS. (Do those names ring any bells?)
Ralph
A post dated 07Fed05 at the link below — there was a post of a Nancy Melton’s sister marrying William Glenn, posted by Sue (Saj). Nancy was born 17Jul1789.
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1383.
I have a copy of Guion-Miller rolls. Just give me the names of your people. Those rolls were taken about 1906 or 7 or that ballpark, so please provide only names that were alive about that time.
vance
Just a thought but have any of you read “Forced Founders, Indians, Debtors, Slaves and the Making of the American Revolution in Virginia” by Woody Holton.
Great reference and explains in detail the “Treaty of Hard Labor” as well as the events that led up to Lord Dunmore’s War and the Rev War. It discusses the Land Speculators and the Ndns, the Privy Council, the fpc patriots as well as the “Gentlemen” of the day. How Dunmore was able to solicit the aid of Free VA persons and includes KY, TN, WVA.
Hello, I too am searching for info on the Riddles, specifically John Riddle, son of William and Happy, who is said to have moved to Bledsoe County, TN and then on to Pulaski County, MO.
Here is my other thread on the matter. I haven’t gotten any responses so I thought I would try here.
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=13561#post13561
Thanks,
Brandon
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