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Hi Dan,
That is interesting. I believe you are referring to the Eno-Occaneechi petition for regonition from 1990. Do you have a link to the names in the petition?
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-MarcFrancis Smith appears to be the son of Shorten and Lavina ‘Vina’ Smith. Shorten is on a land grant in Montgomery County VA in 1785. In 1791 he is recorded in Upper District of Russell County. In 1802 he is recorded in Tazwell County. Judging by the DNA matches of many Smith descendants it appears there are many in McDowell County WV to this day.
Although these are different counties they are basically the same place.
After several years of research have been able to get a generation further back. Francis Smith and Massa Jones son David B Smith married Harriet Good. Harriet Good’s parents were Isom H. Good and Mary ‘Polly’ Routh.
Isom Good’s father was Peter Good. Peter Good was born about 1750, likely in the area of Granville County NC. He is on the payroll for troops in the Granville County Militia in 1768. In a 1779 he is in Wilkes County NC recorded in a land grant at the “Poplars on Southern Branch of Hunting Creek”. On the 1790 census he is in Wilkes NC. In 1820 he is in Clinton OH with Isom and daughter Rhoda ‘Rhodie’ Trimble.
Peter Good, Rhodie Good Trimble. Isom Good Clinton County Catawba casino near Charlotte faces hefty fines after federal investigation
Not so sure about the accuracy of this article… supposed extinction and John Key passed in the 1800s not 1989.
Eating
My girls and I all liked it best as parched corn. Five minutes on medium heat in the pan. Easy to see how this was a staple food for our ancestors.
Ate some ears raw – tastes good and sweet. Tried these ones at 16 weeks:
Tried some ears on the cob – a bit heavy to eat this way.
Harvest
October – harvesting ears of Tutelo Strawberry Corn after 20 weeks of growth:
Cobs with all red kernels saved for seed stock. Any cobs with white kernels reserved for eating:
Ears of corn after drying:
2022 crop of Tutelo Strawberry Corn
Planted between May 11-18.
Growing in late August interplanted with squash:
Growing in September:
Lots of sun in 2022:
I’ll do my best to help Vanessa. Haven’t read Vance’s latest book yet. I’m standing on the shoulders of all the researchers who came before me on this forum, Linda Carter, Bill Childs, TeachTeach, DreamingHawk, Rick Haithcock, Brenda Collins-Dillon… and many others, I could go on.
If you search the fourms here for the surnames of your ancestors, and they are more unique names like Sizemore, Oxendine, Boling you may quickly find post from someone who has compiled information on your lines. If they are common names like Jones, Smith, Miller… it may take some time to dig. .
Also if there are locations and time periods were your can identify your ancestors were, it may correspond with a larger group.
If it is DNA you are looking at you can search DNA relatives for common Saponi surnames.
If you post what you are searching for in the Genealogy Research forum I will see what I can do.
Don’t have specific information about these families. However, there are other groups that moved from NC/VA to KY at this time (1790s). There are a number who move to early Bardstown in Nelson County KY. If you look at the surnames from early Bardstown, roughly one third are surnames that are on Siouan descendant lists.
The first Fugitive Slave Act of 1793 may have been a factor. The shifting of power from British North America to the USA may also have been a factor. Many NC/VA Natives allied with the British in the American Revolution. This is who their treaties were with. The new powers governing the USA often did not recognize previous treaties with the British.
I am going to purchase it as well. Darlene helped Vance with the editing, and Chief Jamie of the New River Catawba wrote the review. His posts on SaponiTown are under ‘Vance’ and ‘Vance Hawkins’. He has done a considerable amount of research.
LAKE WACCAMAW, NC (WWAY) — Members of the Fort Fisher State Historic staff recently took part in a discovery hundreds of years in the making.
With the assistance of the NC Underwater Archeology Team and members of the Waccamaw Siouan Tribe, a 940-year-old dugout canoe was found nearly intact at Lake Waccamaw.
Haliwa-Saponi Tribal School welcomes new principal
When students at Haliwa-Saponi Tribal School in Hollister return to class next week, they will see a new face behind the principal’s desk, but not someone new to the community in the area where Warren and Halifax counties meet.
Melissa Richardson began her duties as principal of the local public charter school in July, following the retirement of the previous principal, Warren Bell, after a 33-year career in education that included five years as Haliwa-Saponi Tribal School principal.
Richardson, a Halifax County native, has lived in the Hollister community since childhood. She has devoted her 29-year career in education to the North Carolina public school system.
Richardson’s career has including service as principal of several schools, including Lowe’s Grove Middle School in the Durham Public Schools and Franklin Elementary School in Franklin County.
In the local area, she has served as principal at Hollister Elementary in Halifax County and was a longtime elementary teacher and coordinator of the AVID (Advancement Via Individual Determination) program in other schools in Halifax County.
Richardson earned her Master of School Administration degree from North Carolina State University. Currently, she is a doctoral candidate at Walden University pursuing a doctorate in Educational Leadership.
She views her new role at HSTS principal as a way to give back to her home community.
“It is wonderful to give back to my community as the instructional leader of HSTS,” Richardson said. “The leadership team has been working hard to plan for the new school year.”
HSTS students and parents can meet their new principal during Open House activities on Monday, Aug. 15, from 2-6:30 p.m. at the school, located at 130 Haliwa-Saponi Trail, Hollister.
“I look forward to meeting the students and their parents during our Open House and working with everyone for the 2022-23 school year,” Richardson said.
She described HSTS as being unique among charter schools in North Carolina with its focus on Native American culture.
As Richardson looks forward to the new school year, she highlighted Haliwa-Saponi Tribal School’s goal of increasing parental involvement.
https://www.warrenrecord.com/news/article_e820dfd4-18a9-11ed-886d-3f08fa71c68f.html
New teacher orientation held
On Thursday, Aug. 4, new staff of Haliwa-Saponi Tribal School had the opportunity to tour Hollister, the community served by the school. Staff toured major landmarks of the Haliwa-Saponi Tribe, and discussed the rich history of the community and the importance of equity in education. Pictured from the left are Evonne Harrison, instructional coach, Jamiya Tuten, Shoney Rudd, Melody Lynch, instructional coach, Taleena Sines, Deanna Battle, Latoya Boone, D’Zaria Addison and Sharon Berrun.
https://www.warrenrecord.com/news/article_36790c78-18d8-11ed-bf1e-47a86a0c5e7c.html
This is an excerpt and references from that thesis re JJ Ambler
The fire did push the Episcopal leadership at Bear Mountain to yet again face the question of what to officially call the Mission, and the opinions and feedback received from different parties highlighted the concerted effort in Amherst County to strip the Monacan people of any association with their Native identity. On January 25, 1930, Mr. Scott, the executive secretary for the Diocese, made the decision to use the phrase “Indian Mission” in an article announcing the fire in the Southern Churchman. Scott was clearly comfortable with this phrase, as it had been used to describe the Mission from the very beginning.217 This would have likely passed as a non-event, had white neighbors not gotten ahold of the publication. John Jacquelin Ambler, the same J. J. Ambler, whose family donated land for the Mission and who acted as a teacher and lay reader during the first few years of the Mission’s establishment, became extremely vocal in his disapproval of the use of the word “Indian” to describe the Mission. Though he was present when Bishop Tucker consecrated the Mission explicitly for the “Indians,” he either never agreed with the term’s usage, or had since come under the influence of Virginia’s
eugenics movement or other white people in the area who denied the Native identity of theMonacan people on Bear Mountain.
Like the Monacans had in the case of the fire, Ambler appealed to community consensus and complained of the threat of discord among his white neighbors. Ambler sent a letter steeped in warning to Scott in April, stating that, “I have defended the position that they are not ‘Indians,’ nor ever have been.”218 He warned that if Mission leadership continued to insinuate that the congregation was Native, they would lose the support of the “neighborhood,” causing, “.
. .even members of other denominations to be indifferent to missions.” He claimed that even members of his own family in the Bear Mountain area were refusing to attend services at any
church because of the matter.217 John Jacqueline Ambler to the Executive Secretary, April 4, 1930, Box 30, Folder 6, Episcopal Diocese of
Southwestern Virginia Records, 1906-1990, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA.
218 John Jacqueline Ambler to Mr. Scott, Executive Secretary, April 4, 1930, Box 30, Folder 6, Episcopal Diocese of
Southwestern Virginia Records, 1906-1990, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA.
219 John Jacqueline Ambler to Mr. Scott, Executive Secretary, April 4, 1930, Box 30, Folder 6, Episcopal Diocese of
Southwestern Virginia Records, 1906-1990, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA.