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Is this ever complex. Here is a link I found.
http://www.hometown.aol.com/kathysgenweb/Jones.html
Have been searching my TANNER line for days. There were 4 siblings Joseph, Edward, Mary and Martha. All born 1660’s in Henrico co Va. Now, Martha as shown in this link married 1. Thomas JONES. One son is Repps Jones. 2. Martha married Edward (Edmond) HASKINS. Lewis Tanner married Margaret one of Martha and Edward’s children. Lewis is my direct line. This gets crazy as I do agree with John Pritchett of the Virginians research that his mother is not Sarah Hatcher TURPIN Tanner but is a servant of one his father’s brother. Father is Joseph one of the four siblings above. Joseph married Ann FLOYD then Sarah HATCHER widow of Matthew Turpin . After Joseph’s death the court asks Sarah to take care of Lodowick Tanner brother to Lewis but Lewis is not mentioned. Anyway, Joseph and Edward Tanner both married Hatcher girls who were first cousins. Edward Hatcher and Mary WARD had Sarah Hatcher. Henry Hatcher and Ann LOUND had Mary married to Edward. Lodowick married Frances BRANCH, hence Branch Tanner. (son) Back to Prince Ga. co Va is Richard JONES with Prudence Jones marrying Frances Branch SCOTT and Peter Jones marrying Sarah Frances Tanner. Then there is Frances Tanner and Peter Field ARCHER, Daughter Elizabeth Royal Archer and Thomas Bolling GAY. Mary Page Tanner Bolling and Wm. TAZEWELLl son of John Tazewell and Sarah Bolling. William Bass and Martha CLAY have William BASS born 3-7-1735/6 married to Rebekah Haskins. Rebekah is grandaughter to Aaron Haskins + Mary GOODE, Aaron brother to Margaret who married Lewis Tanner. Cont’d
Is this not one of the Nansemond Bass connections? Aren’t the others intertwined into the Powhatan? And see the thread Saponi Cabins. Wasn’t that the one with deeds listed around 1735 or so? Where Dan had his Green and others? Bass and Sizemore. My Tanner lines are there too. It’s not that Tanner sounds familiarily Indian but it’s, goodness…Who they married into. Is this the Richard Jones Trader? Didn’t Col. MUNFORD live near Ft. Christiana? Also a trader. And it was WILLIAM BYRD who was guardian of Ann FLOYD who Joseph Tanner married first. HELP ME! There are some connections here.:) 🙂 Saj
saj: It’s not that Tanner sounds familiarily Indian
🙂 Hi Sue,
A person could look into there being a connection between the names “Tan” and “Tanner”.
In this post Linda lists the name “Tan” as one of the names Richard Haithcock lists as being a Saponi name in Logan County Ohio in one of his books.
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2985<O:p
Aren’t the others intertwined into the Powhatan?
Hey Saj,
Welcome to my headache. ;~)
Branch is my last name. My great-grandmother’s given name was Pokahontas Branch. I must admit, I have suspected her name to be a clue. But that’s all I’ve got. Our alleged direct line does not appear in the P descendants books I’ve seen. However, the Patrick Co. Genealogical Society (where she lived, in VA) claims that it is known that her grandpa was a descendant of Pocahontas, John Rolfe, etc.. I don’t know how they connect, but I hope to get up to PCVA pretty soon and ask. They came from Chesterfield, Henrico, etc.. The Branches & Bollings lived “next door” to each other on Proctor Creek. Archer, Jefferson (Thomas’ family), Turpin, etc. were neighbors and I reckon they got pretty close. ;~) I will try to scan and post the newspaper clipping my cousin sent. There are a bunch of surnames listed, including Jones & Ward. Seems mostly Ancient Planter oriented, but ya never know, do ya?
FWIW, the Branch line (from 2 brothers, so all are related) in PCVA married Goins, Goard (Goad?). Very small community with much intertwining. Do I remember correctly that you connect to Goins/Minor?
Thanks for the tip Wachinika!
And Beeleaf, What Branch names?
And, I need to research this further yet but I reckon they got pretty close too. Dear Bill Childs said that if your family was here before 1700 or so the “onus of proof” lies in proving they are not mixed bloods. Yes they had slaves, many of them, including Indian slaves or servants, but so did many many others in that time frame. Not just white families had slaves or servants. Anyhow, I believe this is the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. I have seen the descendants of Pocahontas depending on where you look, but there is a lot more than meets the eye. When I see that just this Joseph Tanner of mine had children by four different women (the known ones that is), and other’s had as many or at least two or three, this gets VERY complicated! 🙂 🙂 There is a Pocahontas and Powhatan Tanner too which I find suspect as well but my point is not to prove I descend from Pocahontas. I believe that there were many instances of Indian blood all down through the line of my father’s mother born in Southern Indiana all the way back to the Va/NC area very early on. Some I hold back on because I can’t sort it all yet even after so many years of trying. Again, what Branch line? And I’m rambling. How exciting! Saj
SCOTT, Jones, Bolling, GAY (Guy?), CLAY, BASS are all names tossed around as long as this site has been here.
Get up with Felicia, she has Guy and Clay.
What Branch names?
Hey Saj. I was referring to James & Olive Branch, sons of Fleming. I don’t know for sure who Fleming’s father was, but other researchers connect these folks to the Christopher Branch (and Mary Addie) line. This particular Olive (there were at least 3) md. 3 times. After my ggggrandmother (Goard) died, he married Milly Goin, daugher of Stephen. There may have been 2 Stephen Goins. (I need to look closer) One of them is listed as FPC. One of them is listed in Richard Haithcock’s book as head of Occ-Saponi household. Several of their neighbors have been mentioned around here before (Pack, Brim, Bowman, etc.)
If you keep looking at this area long enough, you will find quite a few “different” tribal connections and oddities.
Meanwhile, while looking through stuff trying to remember which Kisera James md, I ran across an interesting Bedford County page. Branch, Minor, Goode, and Hatcher in one marriage record:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabedfor/bedf-m_b.htm
(Scroll down to Branch/Brunch)
I have a ton of Branch info, but will need to sort through it some more. FWIW, it is also the surname of a few Cheroenhaka/Nottoway folks, a Lumbee or two, and at least one Delaware. It ain’t just about Pocahontas, for sure. ;~)
Dear Bill Childs said that if your family was here before 1700 or so the “onus of proof” lies in proving they are not mixed bloods. …Anyhow, I believe this is the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.
Well, if Bill said it, that’s good enough for me. ;~) I agree with the tip of the iceburg idea.
Oh, and the ironic thing about the alleged Pocahontas connection for me is that we didn’t have a family tradition of being related to her. The g-grandma who was apparently named after her was supposed to be Cherokee. I now know it’s obviously not a Cherokee name, and wonder if she may have been left on the porch.
Hi Beeleaf!
The one site you gave on the Virginians I’ve seen but not the Bedford co one.
Here is a good link to a rootsweb submission which has a lot of deeds etc. I just started to devour it, but looks like Lodowick Tanner married Frances Branch. She is Grandaughter to Thomas, eldest son of Christopher Branch. Thomas a brother to Matthew. Have you seen this before? Saj
Hey Cousin saj! ;~)
I don’t see the link. That sounds like a generation was skipped, though. According to what I’ve gathered, Christopher Sr. had 3 sons: Thomas, William, and Chris Jr. But Thomas then had sons named Thomas and Matthew. That Matthew is also my line, as best we can determine.
It gets really confusing with the same names being used so much. Lots of conflicting info out there, too.
You just reminded me of a little book I forgot I had. It’s called “Early VA Families Along the James River”, by Louise Foley (which happens to be my mom’s name, too). This is Vol I, Henrico-Goochland County. It has rent roll and land patent info. Takes a bit to go through it, but I see Tanners Edward and Thomas in 1704-05. There’s a map in the back that shows where people lived. Kind of hard to read, but I see William Hatcher’s place was between the Appomattox River and Swift Creek (just barely in Charles City then). A date is under his name: 1636-37. Think that may be when he patented land there?
It also appears that Chris Branch Sr.’s son William md. Jane Hatcher, who was William’s daughter. Hope you didn’t say that already. I get so lost sometimes. ;~)
Beeleaf,
The link I was going to paste in didn’t get pasted and now I’ve yet to find it again cause’ in my excitement I didn’t bookmark it! Cousins anyway, yes!!:) 🙂 And I hadn’t seen the Jane Hatcher and William Branch connection either. I did find out that both Henry Hatcher and son Edward were Indian traders along with Richard Jones of the same Jones family all linked together here. I never even thought about looking at the surname Hatcher before even though it is another direct line. Let me know anything else you find. Saj
Oh, no. LOL. Wish I didn’t relate to that so well. ;~)
I’m proud to be related to ya.
Hmmm. Indian traders. Makes sense.
I’ll see what else I can find to share.
Bee
Sue and Bee,
While searching my Goldsberry, I ran across your names here. I don’t know if they are connected to where you’re at with these names. The time period seems to start at 1700.
Page 452 falls under Article XL in the ‘Contents’ display.
The text version is easy to read but contains typos from the text such as Boiling for Bolling so it’s good to check the image version if you’re reading the plain text version. Given that you’ld probably get different search results in each version.
452 OLD CHURCHES, MINISTERS, AND
Graves, George Woodson, Henry Winfree, Roger Atkinson, Thomas
Friend, Charles Duncan, Daniel Dyson, John Hill, Henry
Archer.
On the same loose leaves we have a number of subscription-lists,
on which are names well known to us at this day. The object, we
presume, was for repairing the churches’ about the year 1700.
Among them, besides the above-named vestrymen, were the following,—
a few among many :—Osborne, Rowlett, Burton, Roisseau,
Taylor, Gibbs, Royall, Shore, Worsham, Branch, Tanner, Randolph,
Burwell, Goode, Ward, Clarke, Hardaway, Walke, Barber,
Donald, Bragg, Epps, Belcher, Hodges, Marshall, &c.
Nothing is heard of this parish for a long and dark period.
In the year 1835, the Rev. Farley Berkeley takes charge of
Raleigh parish, Amelia, and extends his labours to Old Saponey
Church, in the neighbourhood of a few zealous friends of it,—the
Thweats, Johnsons, and others. He has been succeeded for some
years by the Rev. Mr. Tizzard, who devotes his whole time and
labours to the county of Chesterfield.
The Old Saponey is deserted : a new church has been erected
some miles off, in a more convenient location. Wood’s Church is
still standing. The following communication in relation to it comes
from such a source that I feel sure I shall not do injustice to any
one in publishing it:— . ”
About 1831 or 1832, the old deserted church was repaired by the
united efforts of two bodies of Christians, and occupied by them until it
was abandoned by both in 1848. Another repairing being found necessary,
it was undertaken by a gentleman attached to the Episcopal Church
By him it was restored to the Episcopalians, and at his invitation the first
sermon preached by a minister of that body. Before the next Sunday,
however, the house had been entered, the main door fastened up, a lock put
upon a side-door, and the building taken possession of by one of those
bodies which had deserted it. Anxious to recover their lawful right to
this venerable building, the Episcopalians of the neighbourhood made application
to the judge to appoint two of their number to hold it as Episcopal
property. The application was rejected, on the ground that it was
public property, and belonged no more to Episcopalians than to any other
body of Christians. During the last repair the workmen discovered on one
of the upright beams the figures 1707, showing that it was built thirty
years before the Old Blandford Church.”
In regard to the right of property I have before said, that that
most eminent jurist, Mr. Chapman Johnson, after the most thorough
examination of the question, gave it as his opinion that the
right of the Church to the old houses of worship was not impaired
FAMILIES OF VIRGINIA. 453
by any Act of the Virginia Assembly. It would appear very un
likely that such a body would pass an act so well calculated to
engage all bodies of Christians in such disgraceful broils as must
ensue from declaring them common property, to be used as art or
violence might determine. It would have been far better to offer
them to the highest bidder,—as was done in regard to the glebes
and parsonages, which were, as the churches, built by levies on
all the tithables. As when Episcopalians have abandoned their
churches and others take possession, so, when these in turn have
abandoned them, and we, under altered circumstances, repair and
re-enter them, it would seem just and reasonable that we be allowed
so to do.
Page 79
… of Colonel John Boiling, and of several daughters, one of whom married Colonel Richard Randolph, another Colonel Fleming, a third Dr. William Gay, …
I’ve entered more on this source at: http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3394
If that is Saponey Church in present Dinwiddie CO., we went there on the way home from Nottoway pow-wow. It was right near Saponey Creek. I have photos of most of the gravesites there, but I think that info is on a web site, too.
If it’s a different church, then I guess I need to read some more.
I have seen the surname spelled “Boiling” before. Probably fits a few of us at times. ;~)
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