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We have encouraged Richard Haithcock to post information on the sale of his books here in the interests of sharing this information as broadly as possible. Richard has done an outstanding job of amassing historical and genealogical information and drawing his own conclusions and beliefs as a result. His work has been drawn from by others, including those who have sought for and achieved state recognition, and it should be acknowledged as such. We want to make sure everyone understands that information in these books should not be regarded as any kind of “tribal roll” of Saponi or Eastern Siouan families. Such a thing does not exist. Finding information in these books that reflects on your own family is a valuable clue in helping your research. It means that a seasoned researcher has found data that corroborates your own. But as we have said, there is no “tribal roll” that will prove your case in any legal or academic venue. For many, finding that “grandma said it and Richard agrees” is enough to give them the closure they need in making sense of family legacies. Neither Saponitown nor its members receive proceeds from the sale of these books.
A note from Richard Haithcock:
“Greetings! Librarians, Historians and Genealogists!
I have compiled historic information on the Ohio River Valley Sioux, a.k.a. Tutelo, Saponi, Nahyssan, Occaneechi, Stuckenock and Monacan (a.k.a. Piedmont Catawba). Through purchasing these books I invite you to learn and imagine what it was like to become a refugee in your own land and to remain proud of your Native American ancestry and heritage. This 6 volume work contains revised and newly researched material.”
Volume 1. “Piedmont Catawba, Tutelo, Saponi, Nahyssan and Monacan Tribal History”. 522 pages. $80.00.
Volume 2. “Virginia Indian Census”. 637 pages. $80.00.
Volume 3. “North Carolina Indian Census”. 396 pages. $60.00.
Volume 4. “Southeastern Indian and Cherokee Census”. 363 pages. $60.00.
Volume 5. “Language, Archeology and Anthropology”. 280 pages. $60.00.
Volume 6. “Virginia, Carolina Piedmont and Ohio River Valley Indian Descendants”. Approximately 480 pages (still being revised and added to). $60.00
Shipping and handling:
For 1 to 3 books, add $15.00
For 4 books up to 6 books, add $30.00
Ordering information:
Mail your order and make check payable to:
Richard Haithcock
647 Mt Vernon Rd
Xenia, OH 45385
or by telephone: 1-937-532-4676
Thank you for the post and information on ordering them …I am admittedly intrigued enough to WANT to purchase at the very least 2 or 3 of them however…they really are quite pricey in my opinion…I have previously purchased numerous publications/books/genealogical Cd’s and the like but I have never had to pay such an extensive price ($60) for ONE book of about 300ish pages before. *gasp* Is there some reason that the expense is so great? To order all 6 volume would cost about as much as a new swanky HH appliance or pay for a few years worth of medical insurance co-payments…am I the only one who thinks that it is a wishful purchase but is just inordinately expensive? Is there a “discount” or sale price if we order more than one or two? The shipping fees are a bit pricey too in my mind…heck, I’ve shipped huge boxes of XM gifts for similar prices. Color me blunt or just plain shocked….just wanted to put my 2 cents worth out here in the interest of genealogical candor. Maybe someday I’ll hit that lottery and buy a full set and another to DONATE to my local Historical Society and Library. Blessings~~~Laurie
Wow, I agree…looks intriguing….but at my salary I just can’t afford this kind of compendium. Hopefully he will be able to sell it to library reference sections. Then and only then, will I be able to see what he has collected.
At any rate….I know what my Dad told me, and that’s good enough for me.
Regards,
Lynne
I have seen these volumes and if you can get them it will be a good investment. They are awesome…..
Jade
There is a copy of one of his earlier volumes in the NC archives, for those of you who have access to it. I am pretty sure the Greene Co, Ohio library also has it.
Becky and I have a copy of his Piedmont Catawba compilation published Nov 11, 2004. His research is outstanding but lack of a name index makes our volume difficult to use for quick lookups.
Hey Dreaminghawk, I have found that in several other books aswell, what I did was to start adding one, I clipped a page in the back and cited name etc, after awhile it really helps!
My family loves Richard’s books. I would also recommend them to anyone researching information as Jade has stated. I will be ordering!
When we went to a powwow in Springfield, Ohio, on my birthday, Daniel and I saw Richard’s books. I don’t know if the young man we were talking to was Richard or not, but the young man remembered the Gatliff surname and pointed us to what was said about a Charles Gatliff in the book. The young man’s memory was fantastic, and when someone mentioned a name in the book, in a few seconds he would flip a few pages and show them what they were looking for. Charles Gatliff was a brother of Moses Gatliff, my 5x great grandfather. A LOT of research went into these books, and I think they are well worth the price Richard is asking for them. We couldn’t afford them, either, but I was impressed.
Anita B., aka “Sparrow”
We very much enjoyed seeing Richard at Clarksville this past weekend. And given the time and research put into the books, I can see the reason for the price. Since I spend time at the register of deeds office looking up marriage bonds, wills, and death certificates, what I do is just a drop in the bucket to the time Richard spent on his work along with the pure cost of putting a book together. JMHO
Becky
Laurie, we are in the same boat. I don’t work and bring money home (yet), and hubby has the burden of working a day job and making money with the whistles and other instruments he sells on his site. I don’t have health insurance, either, so as much as I love books, especially Richard Haithcock’s books, that is WAY down my list of priorities. I will have to see the book’s content in a local library, and my luck, I wouldn’t be able to take it out as it IS a research book.
Anita B. aka Sparrow
Yeah, lack of a name index, much less an index of any kind is the only fault I find with Richard’s book. In research and reading books on any research, I highly rely on indexes and/or list of contents on a book.
Anita B. aka Sparrow
I am unaware of what surnames are listed in Richard’s books, but I did locate a archived post here that states:
“The title for the book is Occaneechi Saponi and Tutelo of the Saponi Nation: aka Piedmont Catawba; Southeastern Indian Refugees from Virginia, the Carolinas and Tennessee in Ohio, Indiana and Michigan. Written and compiled by Richard L. Haithcock and Vicki L. Haithcock, November 1996. (self- published)
The lists of surnames for various Indian Nations are in Volume I.
Dickson is listed as Catawba.
Dixon is listed multiple times under these surname lists – Black Cherokee (Freedmen adopted through the Dawes Commission, between 1898 & 1916), Black Chickasaws, Creek, Black Creek, Delaware (April 1904 per capita payroll and on a 1842 – 1907 list), Saponi, Wyandott and On a Muster Roll of Wyandott Indians who departed Upper Sandusky, Ohio – George Dixon 2 over 25/0 under 25/Canada (it seems there were 30 Wyandotts in Canada at the time).
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In The Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes In Indian Territory, 1907, both Dickson and Dixon are listed. Under Creeks by blood several Dickson’s are listed: Chicken age 46 M Full blooded, Nancy age 17 F Full, Linda age 14 F Full, Wison age 11 M Full, Anna age 44 F Full. These are on census card # 2177 except Anna who is on census card # 3993.
On the list of Creek Freedmen there are several Dixons. Joshua age 45 M, Fred age 14 M, Kizzie age 12 F, lennie age 10 M, johnie age 8 M, Edwin age 5 M all on census card #339. David age 49 M, and Jimmie age 2 M are listed on census card #666. Edna age 1 1/2 F is on card#1515.” (posted by member: Cheryl on 3/20/2005)
Forum administrator, Linda, also mentioned the Harris surname when she says:
“I have also found mention of a Cheraw chief by the name of Harris. Richard Haithcock lists a number of Harrises in New York, Cayuga adoptees in the 1820’s. Not only was Harris a common name, the name Thomas Harris occurred frequently. ” (URL: http://www.angelfire.com/tn3/youngeagle/AMERICAN_INDIANbook.htm )
There was a more extensive list online at URL: http://members.tripod.com/coker_forum/m01700.htm
It reads in part: “Their ancestoral names are Jeffries, Stewart, Scott,
Chavis, Buck, Teteli, Hays, Corn, Guy, Watkins, Day, Branham, Jones,
Haith,
Haithcock, Burnett, Griffen, Oakey, Goings Collins, Gibson, Bunch,
Poythress, Whitmore, Mayo, Bullen, Harris, Coker, Parker, Pettiford and
Liggins. They can be found in Greensville, Brunswick, Halifax and
Mecklenburg Counties, Virginia; Caswell, Orange, Alamance, Cabarrus,
Stanly,
Person, Granville, Halifax and Northampton Counties, North Carolina and
in
Ross, Lawrence, Gallia, Highland, Jackson, Fayette, Greene and Pike
Counties, Ohio and Hamilton, Vigo, Randolph Co.’s, Indiana and in Cass
Co.,
Michigan.
Eno-Occaneechi Indians are part of the Sapooi flation. They are the
descendents of the Occaneechi who survived Bacons rebellion of 1676, and
those who settled in Fort Christianna in Virginia along with the Tutelo
and
Saponi Indians forming the Saponi Nation in 1713. The core family names
are
Jefferies, Haith, Goings, Collins, Bunch, Gibson, Haithcock, Liggons,
Stewart, Harris, Jones, Guy, Corn, Whitmore, Watkins, Hays, Pettiford,
Scott, Burnett, Parker. and Chavis.
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Indians with Saponi origins have the surnames Chavis, Braveboy, Ransome,
Burnett, Gibson, Austin1 Hammons, Mayo, Coins, Collins, Revells, Scott,
Guy,
Sweat, Taborn, Payne, Green, Bullen, Brewer and Simmons. They shared
Occaneechi-Saponi origins, before amalgamating with other tribes forming
the
Lumbee Nation.
See Material on Saponi-Powhatans/aka Meulungines. Collins, Gibson,
Coings,
Coins, Coens, and Bunch. “
DO above author also posted the following surnames:
“OCCANEECHI, SAPONI, AND TUTELO
of the
SAPONI NATION:
THE PIEDMONT CATAWBA
Written and Complied by
Richard Haithcock and Vicky Haithcock
Indians with Saponi origins have the surnames Chavis, Braveboy, Ransome,
Burnett, Gibson, Austin, Hammons, Mayo, Goins, Collins, Revells, Scott, Guy,
Sweat, Taborn, Payne, Green, Bullen, Brewer and Simmons. They shared
Occaneechi-Saponi origins, before amalgamating with other tribes forming the
Lumbee Nation.”
(entire thread can be viewed at URL: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/LUMBEE/2000-12/0976439202 )
I have also seen the surnames : Watts, Lester, Boldman….also listed/mentioned as surnames that Richard mentions as Saponi in his books.
I was unable to locate a whole surname listing for his books online. Hopefully, others can add to this list. Blessings~~~Laurie
Well, thank you, Laurie. I was about to jump in and say that for the first years this site was up I was referring to Richard’s list of “Southeastern Indian Family Surnames.” I still do. I have a laminated copy sitting in a vertical file on my desk. Those names were being constantly reiterated here, still are.
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