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My GGGG Grandfather John Austin b 1726 acknowledged that he was a Saponi before a P&Q Court hearing to seek permission to visit with, and secure peace with the Catawba in 1755.
I have now re-read John’s abstract from the Pleas & Quarter(ly) court, the appearance was in Rowan Co, NC, records were transfered to Surry Co, NC when Surry Co was formed from Rowan – at least I read this in a Surry Co history at the Chattanooga Public Library several years ago.
John was the father of William Austin b 1750+/- his son;Hezekiah b 1787 his son; Jonathan 1823 his son; William Blevins Austin 1855; his son Ned Elric 1902; his son Charles, me.
I hope to make contact with other descendants of John Austin, Sr b 1692-1701 possibly in VA or NC. He married Hannah Love. Hannah was probably the source of Saponi blood in my family. Were the Saponi a matriarchal society?
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Charles E Austin
Yes, they were likely matrilineal. Most Woodland Indians were.
I’ve heard from other Austins in the past few years, but their emails are somewhere in the pile right now. It’s time to get that stuff organized, though I’m lacking the time.
You’re very fortunate to have that clear line back. Where has your family been living through these generations? It would probably be useful to others if you could give some of the other names married in with your Austins.
I’d love to see a transcript of that court entry.
Why do you think Hannah was the Saponi? Yes, they were likely matrilineal. Most Woodland Indians were.
Charles,
You mention having court records of John Austin Sr.
I descend from-
1.) John Austin Sr. (I) B.Bef 1690 (Or 27 Mar 1701). died 1750, Lunenburg Co. Or Halifax Co., VA. and a woman everyone one has listed as first name- Saponi (Sapony, Saponie), with her last name listed as-Indian.B.Abt 1684, D. Abt 1722/1724
(I can’t prove this one way or the other, but most say John had 2 wives the first died. John’s second wife was Hannah Honor Love B. Abt 1702, Pittsylvania Co., VA. D. Bef 20 Apr 1778, Pittsylvania Co., VA. They had 4 children, Molly, Valentine, Stephen, and Joseph Champness Austin)
( John and “Saponi” had 2 children John Austin jr. , and Capt. Richardson “Richard” Austin)
John and “Saponi’s” son-
2.) John Austin jr. B 14 Sep 1726, Va., D. 1815, Sumner Co., Tennessee, and Mary Maybee b8 Jan 1726/1727,d in Va.
Their son-
3.) Stephen Austin, B 4 Nov 1755, Halifax Co., VA, D. 1850, Savannah, Hardin Co., TN and Dorcas Pinson, B Abt 1757,Laurens Co., Tennessee Or Pittsylvania County Virginia. D., 13 Apr 1836, Savannah, Hardin Co., TN.
Their son-
4.) Saunders Austin, B 1782, Grayson Co., VA. D. aft 1856, Hardin Co., TN. and Nancy Qualls, B 3 Mar 1790,Va. D Aft 1860, Hardin County Tennessee.
Their son-
5.) John “Bally or Bauldy” Austin, B 8 Jun 1816, Smith Co., Tennessee. D. 2 Nov 1896, Hardin County, Tennessee. and Jane Lamb, B 1819, Tennessee. D 1880, Hardin County, Tennessee.
Their dau-
6.) Frances “Frankie” Austin , B 11 Nov 1844, Tennessee. D 31 Dec 1908, Hardin County, Tennessee. And John A. “Black John” Stout, B. 14 Dec 1832, D. 28 Sep 1907.
Their son-
7.) Issac “Ike” Stout, B.7 Jan 1866, Tennessee. D. 12 Mar 1939, Hardin County Tennessee. And Louisa Evelyn “Eva / Evie” Hubbard, B. 24 Mar 1863, Mississippi. D. 26 Mar 1931, Bur. Stout Cemetery, Dry Creek, Hardin Co., Tennessee.
Their son-
8.)Greene Stout, B. 11 Mar 1898, Dry Creek, Hardin Co., Tennessee. D. 29 May 1945, Metropolis, Massac County, IL. and Fanny Mae Littlemeyer, B. 18 Sep 1902, Massac County, IL.. D 11 Feb 1968, Metropolis Hospital, Metropolis, Massac County, IL.
Their dau-
9.) Frances Virginia Stout, B 12 Dec 1931 12 noon, Metropolis, Massac County, IL. and Evert Gordon “Doc” McCoy, B 23 May 1909, Worth County, Near Denver, Mo. D. 1 July 1990, Metropolis, Massac County, IL.
Their dau-
10) Dody McCoy, B 12 Dec 1956 12:30pm (Myself)
This is my direct line. It looks like we are related. I have information on siblings and such. Would love to share what I have with you.
What kind of record is this you have for John Sr.? You Have sparked my interst :^) As Linda I would love to see a transcript of it. What is a P and Q Court?
I also have some OLD pictures of John Bally, his bro Saunders, his dau Frankie ,his son Zack , and some others, thanks to my distant cousin-in-law Mac Lambert, who still lives in Hardin Co.. And of course my Grandpa Greene.
I look forward to hearing from you.
The John Austin family of Halifax Co, VA and Surry Co, NC:
Descendants of John Austin, Jr
Generation No. 1
1. JOHN1 AUSTIN, JR (JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born 14 Sep 1726 in James City County, Cornwall Parish, Virginia
(now Halifax & Pittsylvania), and died abt 1795 in Washington County, Tennessee. He married MARY MCBEE in
Halifax County, Virginia, daughter of WILLIAM MCBEE and SUSANNAH VARDRY. She was born abt 1734 in Prince
Georges County, Maryland, and died Deceased in Unknown.
Children of JOHN AUSTIN and MARY MCBEE are:
i. THOMAS2 AUSTIN, b. abt 1748.
ii. MARGARET AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1748 – 1768; d. Deceased.
2. iii. WILLIAM AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1750 – 1760, Hallifax County, Virginia or Surry County, North Carolina;
d. Bef. Jun 1802, Anderson County, Tennessee.
3. iv. STEPHEN AUSTIN, b. 04 Nov 1755, Halifax County, Virginia; d. 1850, Savanah, Hardin County,
Tennessee.
v. DAVID AUSTIN, b. abt 1756; d. Deceased.
4. vi. JOHN AUSTIN III, b. abt 1759, Halifax County, Virginia -OR- Rowan County, North
Carolina/Halifax County,NC; d. Deceased.
5. vii. ISAIAH AUSTIN, b. 18 Feb 1759, Surry County, North Carolina; d. 20 Sep 1832, Grayson County,
Virginia.
Generation No. 2
2. WILLIAM2 AUSTIN (JOHN1, JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born Bet. 1750 – 1760 in Hallifax County, Virginia or Surry
County, North Carolina, and died Bef. Jun 1802 in Anderson County, Tennessee. He married (1) UNKNOWN. She
died Deceased. He married (2) MILDRED “MILLY” DALTON abt 1780 in Virginia, daughter of WILLIAM DALTON and
JANE UNKNOWN. She was born abt 1760 in Virginia or North Carolina, and died Deceased in Anderson County,
Tennessee.
Children of WILLIAM AUSTIN and MILDRED DALTON are:
i. JOSEPH3 AUSTIN, b. abt 1781; d. Deceased.
ii. ELIZABETH AUSTIN, b. abt 1783, Virginia; d. Deceased, Jackson County, Alabama; m. (1) JOHN
MCENTIRE, JR; d. Deceased; m. (2) JOHN FRY.
iii. ZACHARIAH AUSTIN, b. 1784, Virginia; d. Deceased; m. MARTHA “PATTSY” THOMASON, 26 Aug
1807, Grainger County, Tennessee; b. 1786, Virginia; d. Deceased.
iv. HEZEKIAH AUSTIN, b. 17 Feb 1787, Virginia; d. abt 1848, DeKalb County, Alabama; m. JANE
BLEVINS, abt 1811, Bledsoe County, Tennessee; b. Bet. 1789 – 1793, Buncombe County, North
Carolina (?); d. abt 1869, DeKalb County, Alabama, Hartline Cemetery, Big Wills Valley.
v. JOHN AUSTIN, b. 26 Oct 1789, Green County, Kentucky; d. Apr 1850, Dade County, Georgia; m.
MARY FRANCES KING, abt 1820, Marion County, Tennessee; b. 06 Mar 1797, Tennessee; d. Bef.
1870, Carroll County, Arkansas.
vi. PHEOBE AUSTIN, b. abt 1791; d. Deceased.
vii. DANIEL AUSTIN, b. 16 Oct 1793, Green County, Kentucky; d. 31 Oct 1875, Bond County, Illinois;
m. NANCY EDWARDS, 17 Nov 1817, Anderson County, Tennessee; b. 04 Oct 1797, Tennessee (?);
d. 09 Aug 1862, Nevada, Vernon County, Missouri.
viii. NANCY AUSTIN, b. abt 1795; d. Deceased.
3. STEPHEN2 AUSTIN (JOHN1, JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born 04 Nov 1755 in Halifax County, Virginia, and died
1850 in Savanah, Hardin County, Tennessee. He married DORCAS PINSON abt 1775 in Grayson County, Virginia,
daughter of AARON PINSON and DELILAH STOVALL. She was born Bet. 1757 – 1760 in Laurens County, South
Carolina, and died 13 Apr 1836 in Savanah, Hardin County, Tennessee.
Children of STEPHEN AUSTIN and DORCAS PINSON are:
i. WILLIAM I3 AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1776 – 1780, Montgomery County, Virginia; d. 1853, Bond County,
Illinois; m. (1) REBECCA MOSES, 22 Mar 1798, Grainger County, Tennessee; b. abt 1780, Virginia;
m. (2) MAHALA HALL, 1846; b. abt 1825.
ii. ELIZABETH AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1776 – 1805, Pittsylvania County, Virginia; m. WILLIS W DEAR, 06 Sep
1827, Pittsylvania County, Virginia.
iii. JOSIAH AUSTIN, b. abt 1778; d. abt 1851, Bond County, Illinois.
iv. SANDERS AUSTIN, b. abt 1782, Grayson County, Virginia/ Montgomery County, Virginia; d. 1856,
Savannah, Hardin County, Tennessee; m. NANCY QUALLS, 1806, McMinnville, Warren County,
Tennessee; b. 03 Mar 1790, Virginia; d. Bet. 1860 – 1870, Hardin County, Tennessee.
v. HANNAH AUSTIN, b. abt 1784, Virginia; d. abt 1861, Marion, Arkansas; m. WILLIAM OBEDIAH
WOOD, abt 1805, Anderson County, Tennessee; b. abt 1775; d. 1861, Marion, Arkansas.
vi. ROBERT AUSTIN, b. abt 1785, Montgomery County, Virginia; d. Alabama; m. ELIZABERTH
WEBSTER; b. abt 1790.
vii. BENJAMIN AUSTIN, b. 18 Feb 1787, North Carolina; d. 23 Nov, Hardin County, Tennessee; m.
SARAH G ELLIS, 17 Mar 1810, Burke County, North Carolina.
viii. JOHN AUSTIN, b. 23 Aug 1789, Montgomery County, Virginia; d. 09 Dec 1872, Lauderdale County,
Alabama; m. MARTHA YOUNG, 13 Nov 1818, Madison County, Alabama; b. abt 1790.
ix. STEPHEN AUSTIN, b. abt 1790, Grayson County, Virginia.
x. REBECCA AUSTIN, b. abt 1796, Grayson County, Virginia; d. 19 Aug 1864, Matoon, Coles County,
Illinois; m. JAMES GRAY, 1817, Lincoln County, Tennessee; b. 17 Sep 1796, Caswell County, North
Carolina; d. 03 Sep 1852, Searcy County, Arkansas.
xi. RICHARD AUSTIN, b. abt 1798; m. ELIZABETH UNKNOWN.
xii. RANSOM AUSTIN, b. abt 1805, Tennessee; m. MARTHA UNKNOWN, abt 1830; b. abt 1810.
4. JOHN2 AUSTIN III (JOHN1, JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born abt 1759 in Halifax County, Virginia -OR- Rowan
County, North Carolina/Halifax County,NC, and died Deceased. He married LUCY SHELTON 06 Nov 1783 in
Louisa County, Virginia, daughter of PETER SHELTON and FRANCES NUCKOLLS. She was born 03 Dec 1764 in
Louisa -or- Goochland County, Virginia, and died Deceased.
Children of JOHN AUSTIN and LUCY SHELTON are:
i. DAVID S3 AUSTIN, b. abt 1784; m. MARY LOWERY, 05 Nov 1816, Louisa County, Virginia; b. abt
1785.
ii. FLEMING AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 – 1814.
iii. ELIZABETH AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 – 1814.
iv. PEGGY AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 – 1814.
v. THOEDOCIA AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 – 1814.
vi. NANCEY AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 – 1814.
vii. MARIA AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 – 1814.
viii. BRYCE HODGES AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 – 1814.
5. ISAIAH2 AUSTIN (JOHN1, JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born 18 Feb 1759 in Surry County, North Carolina, and died 20
Sep 1832 in Grayson County, Virginia. He married (1) ANN ROSAMOND. She was born abt 1765 in Virginia, and
died Bef. 1797 in Virginia. He married (2) LUCINDA “LUCY” BLEVINS 1793 in Grayson County, Virginia, daughter
of DANIEL BLEVINS and UNKNOWN. She was born Bet. 1765 – 1768 in Buncombe County, North Carolina, and died
Aft. 1860 in Grayson County, Virginia.
Children of ISAIAH AUSTIN and ANN ROSAMOND are:
i. DANIEL3 AUSTIN, b. abt 1789, Montgomery County, Virginia orAshe County, North Carolina; d.
Deceased, Ashe County, North Carolina.
ii. JOHN AUSTIN, b. abt 1791, Wythe County, Virginia; d. 1856, Smith County, Texas; m. DELILAH
RUTHERFORD; b. abt 1800, Virginia; d. Deceased.
iii. JAMES AUSTIN, b. abt 1792, Montgomery County, Virginia (?); d. abt 1831, Washington County,
Virginia; m. SALLY JONES, 05 Jul 1816, Pittsylvania County, Virginia; d. Deceased.
Children of ISAIAH AUSTIN and LUCINDA BLEVINS are:
iv. SUSANNAH3 AUSTIN, b. 17 Oct 1798; d. Deceased; m. BENNET RECTOR, abt 1820; b. 01 Mar 1782,
Fauquier County, Virginia; d. 25 Dec 1866, Grayson County, Virginia.
v. WILLIAM AUSTIN, b. abt 1802.
vi. SAMUEL AUSTIN, b. abt 1803; d. Deceased; m. SYNTHA UNKNOWN; b. abt 1805.
vii. LACY AUSTIN, b. 05 Mar 1805, Grayson County, Virginia; d. 26 Jun 1901, Grayson County,
Virginia; m. SARAH “SALLY” COX, 20 Oct 1831, Grayson County, Virginia; b. abt 1810; d.
Deceased, Grayson County, Virginia.
viii. LEWIS BLEDSOE AUSTIN, b. 18 Jan 1807, Pittsylvania County, Virginia; d. 26 Apr 1894, Jefferson
County, Montana; m. (1) NANCY MOORE, 04 Dec 1828, Grayson County, Virginia; b. 24 Jan 1810,
Grayson County, Virginia; d. 09 Mar 1853, Grayson County, Virginia; m. (2) MATILDA GEORGE,
Aft. 1853; m. (3) GRACEY ANN PADGETT, Aft. 1870.
ix. FRANKLIN AUSTIN, b. abt 1811, Grayson County, Virginia; d. Bef. 1899, Grayson County, Virginia;
m. NANCY UNKNOWN, abt 1835, Virginia; d. Deceased.
Heads up, everybody. Make sure you read through all this. This one family spreads out to half the known destinations for mixed-blooded Saponi, and this time the source is documented as Saponi. I think this could prove to be very productive for a lot of people.
Thank you very much for sharing all this, Charles. That’s an awesome amount of work there, and a very rare find. Do you have any sense that your family was part of any kind of community? It will be interesting to look at the neighboring families wherever your family was and see what turns up.
These generations, were they classified as white, fpc, black, mullatto? Or like some families, all of the above?
Linda and others,
“Pleas and Quarterly Court” was a common name for minor county courts during the 17th and 18th century. Perhaps it was not a minor court as Orphans, the recording of legal documents, the handling of illigitimate children, etc were handled by these courts, at least in NC and TN.
In my first post I mistakenly said that John Austin, Jr appeared in the P& Q Court of Surry Co, NC in 1758, the actual year was 1755. In that appearance John stated that he was a Saponi, married to a Susquehanna.
John’s brother Valentine also stated, date unknown, in the same court that he was an Indian. Further, brothers Joseph and Richard(son) were identified as mixed breed in a VA Census in 1770, Joseph in Pittsylvania Co, VA, and possibly that was Richard’s location. That only leaves one brother, Stephen, that was not identified as non-european. Stephen was in the west of VA around the New River Valley in the 1770s, thus was either missed, or was in the company of a number of non Europeans, some of which are usually named on Melungeon lists, Adkins, Gibson/Gipson, Vaughn, etc. My people usually stayed on the fringes of civilization.
I am a proven descendant of John Austin, Jr by means of a DNA test done on a descendant of Isaiah Austin, brother to my William Austin ca 1750, and myself in 2002. In this test we did not show any European blood lines (Paternal, male line of descent) in our direct Austin line. I surmise that we are descendants of the Portugese Sailors that were dropped off on the Outer Banks of NC in the 1500s. UNPROVEN. As I have read, there were Moors, and others out of Africa in Portugal at that time.
At this time I am considering a Native American DNA test, but have not done so at this time.
All AUSTIN descendants are invited to join my DNA Project for the Austin family at large. The only qualification is direct male descent from the Austin surname. Female DNA costs more, thus we don’t have a project underway at this time, though we could if required.
Many people, including the Austin Family Assoc of America have contributed to the research I have, so as I say thank you for the compliment, I must acknowledge the help of numerous others who have helped me compile my AUSTIN file.
I have not yet found the “paper” from Surry Co, but will keep looking. Unfortunately I did not record the actual record from Surry Co, or the month and day of John’s appearance in the Surry P&Q court.
Some of the names that married into the Austin family are:
LOVE, McBEE, QUALLS, DALTON, BLEVINS, ADKINS, COUNTISS, HEARD, TERRY, PREWITT, PINSON, ETC
Thanks for your letters!
I’m confused why you’re thinking that there are Portugeuse in that line, seeing as how Portugeuse are European and you’re sure that line is non-European. Am I missing something?
Linda,
That the Portugese were of various nationalities is partly an assumption on my part. It is known that the Moors and Shep. Jews were driven from Spain before 1500 into Portugal, that being a minority they were probably not completely welcomed, and had pressure to leave.
Europe was made up from Anglo Saxons (European) and various other people, namely; Moors – in Spain by 711 AD, Shepardic Jews, shortly after the Moors, the Moors were originally from Africa according to my unconfirmed research. and the Jews were from Arabia – Africa?
I am certainly not an expert on this matter, but from reading various entries on the Saponi I understand that we are a mixed race of people, and that the Saponi did intermarry with peoples from the old world.
Since my Ancestor, John Austin, Sr was in this country bef 1720 (?) I am thinking that the Black Slaves were not common at that time, but the Portugese Sailors that were dropped on the Outer Banks may have intermarried with the Saponi.
“I surmise that we are descendants of the Portugese Sailors that were dropped off on the Outer Banks of NC in the 1500s. UNPROVEN. As I have read, there were Moors, and others out of Africa in Portugal at that time. ” as you can see, I stated that I was guessing.
This may be a desire on my part to deny my “Black” ancestry, though my grandmother explained her dark coloring by saying that she was Black Dutch. She was dark complected as were her other Blevins relatives, who were darker than the Austins. Generally, the Austins were fair skinned, some with blond hair.
Your comments are certainly welcome, thanks for your input.
Dennis,
Do you feel that William is related to the Austins, if so, how is he related?
I have seen instances wherein children were named for neighbors, not neccessarily relatives.
Where was William born, where did he die, and what were his migration paths? My William Austin 1750-1760 was born in SS VA, or Surry/Rowan Co, NC, later was found in Montgomery, Wythe, Grayson Counties, VA and died in Anderson Co, TN. Does any of this match your William, and/or your family?
I am a Saponi descendant, with possible Cherokee ancestry – unproven. Otherwise, I do not know of anyother Indian lines, though those lines may exist considering ancestry of Adkins, Blevins, and possibly others that were of mixed race.
I’ve got almost exactly the same timeline for my family in whats now Halifax, and North Carolina.(1730-abt1790) as far back as i can go on that side. . also leaving for Tennessee at the same time as well to the same counties. Maybe our families knew each other. E-mail me at -cr21-@excite.com and we can exchange info.
My line of Austin from Virginia and North carolina
William Austin : Born Ireland 1700 died SouthHampton Virginia
1770
Wife
Ruth {Bryant } Austin:
Children:
Charles Austin:
John Austin
Richard Austin
Sarah Austin
Molly Austin
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