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December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #806
Here is more mention of what appears to be our same guys.
The next mention of William Riddle is found in the court records of Montgomery County, Virginia. He was involved in court cases concerning land in 1773, 1774, 1776 and 1779,9 and appears in 1773 on a Montgomery County, Virginia tax list in the area of Elk Creek along the New River.10
In 1774 William Riddle (Riddell) was a member of Capt. William Herbert’s militia company, and apparently fought in Lord Dunmore’s War at Point Pleasant on the Ohio together with Neal Roberts, William Roberts, James Wallen, Joseph Wallen, Thomas Wallen, James Wallin, William Ingram, John Cox, George Sizemore, Micajer Bunch, Doswell Rogers, Nathaniel Wilshire, Clement Lee, George Keith, David Cox, Elisha Collins, Lewis Collins, John Collins, John Collins Jr., John Cox, David Cox, Daniel Blevins, James Blevins and William Blevins.11
All of these individuals were closely associated with the Riddle family in records going back more than forty years, most recently to Pittsylvania County, Virginia, earlier to Orange County, North Carolina along the Flatt River (present-day Person County, North Carolina), and earlier still to York County, Virginia, to Louisa and Hancock counties in Virginia along the James River, to Amelia County, Virginia, to Essex County, Virginia as early as 1717, and possibly to the Pee Dee River basin in South Carolina in 1729-1730.12
It is significant that in this record William’s surname is spelled “Ridley” rather than “Riddle”, and that he is closely associated with Micajer Bunch who was a leader among the Melungeon people.
This connection ties William Riddle (Ridley/Ridle) to Moses Riddle (Ridley/Ridle), who was listed as “Indian” and “malato” (sic.) on tax lists,14 giving strong evidence to the theory that Moses was William Riddle’s father.
Moses Riddle is listed on the 1767 Pittsylvania County, Va. thitables as “Indian” . Moses Riddle supposely married ld Thomas Collins daughter.
http://www.jimcal.com/v04is01.htm#William
This is a great site and lots of sources listed.
Micajer Bunch was one of those who migrated from the Flat River in Orange County, North Carolina to the New River. He lived in Fincastle County and later owned land in Wilkes County, North Carolina on Elk Creek. Micajer Bunch may have been one of the members of Tory Capt. William Riddle’s gang. Micajer went into Lee County, Va. near the same time as the orphan children of William Riddle. Micajer Bunch and William Ingram (Ingraham) were signers of the petition to form Lee County, Va. Ingraham was married to Happy Riddle, widow of William Riddle. Micajer Bunch also appears on a Cumberland County, Ky. tax list in 1799. … Micajer Bunch and William Riddle were at the battle of Point pleasant in 1774, and they were also defendants in a lawsuit with their commanding officer William Herbert.
pp. 78-79
http://www.fialcowitz.com/Bunch/other9.html
The Melungeons began selling their land on the Flat River in Orange County beginning about 1767 and moved to the back woods section of the New River in Virginia and North Carolina. They moved from the Pamunkey River area of Virginia to the Flat River beginning in about 1747-9. These families included Collins, Gibson, Bunch, Bolen, and possibly Moses Riddle. They were of the Baptist faith, some joined at Stony Creek by letter from another Baptist Church.
According to North Carolina records, the Saponi Indians had a settlement about 15 miles east of Hillsboro, county seat for Orange County, North Carolina … According to their settlement location, the Saponi would probably be near the Flat River. …
The following Saponi information is from a Saponi chronology compiled from an Eno-Occoneechee petition for recognition by the State of North Carolina-1750. The Saponi had a settlement near Hillsboro, North Carolina. Post Revolutionary Pleasant Grove region Saponi Indians Jeramiah Bunch, George Gibson, and Henry Bunch received land grants in 1785 along the Eno River just east of Hillsboro, North Carolina.
pp. 84-85
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8526Brenda,
Do you have this already? If not, let me know and I’ll copy the complete texts to you.
“At a Court Continued and held for Montgomery County November 8th, 1780……. On hearing the Petition of James ROBERTS, Jesse MEEKS, and William RIDDLE it is the opinion of the court that the sd. Petitioners be received as members of the Community so long as they behave as gooD Citizens, but the Court does not believe itself properly authorized to grant pardon for Offences……”.
(from Summers’ “Annals of Southwest Virginia”, p.742)
“At a Court held and cond. for Montgomery County May 8th 1782…….. Ordered that John RIDDLE an Orphan of William RIDDLE of seven years old be bound until he arives to the age of twenty one years to James NEWELL……
James RIDDLE orphan of Wm. RIDDLE to James McCORKLE unpon same terms as NEWELL.”
(from Summers’ “Annals of Southwest Virginia”, p.772 )
There are also 9 references to Isaac Riddle and one reference to Hoppe Riddle (widow).
Bill
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8527From that same source, p.744 (Court of Nov 8, 1780)
“Ordered that Wm. ROBERTS, Neal ROBERTS, Moses JOHNSON, Richard GREEN, Richard WRIGHT, Clem LEE and George HERD be restored their property again, it being lately taken from them by the Militia of Montgomery and Washington Counties, as nothing appears against them with Regard of their being Enemies to the State.”
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8532Bill, no I don’t have this in complete text and would really appreciate it.
Looking back……..1774 Capt. William Herbert’s militia company, and apparently fought in Lord Dunmore’s War at Point Pleasant on the Ohio together with Neal Roberts, William Roberts, James Wallen, Joseph Wallen, Thomas Wallen, James Wallin, William Ingram, John Cox, George Sizemore, Micajer Bunch, Doswell Rogers, Nathaniel Wilshire, Clement Lee, George Keith, David Cox, Elisha Collins, Lewis Collins, John Collins, John Collins Jr., John Cox, David Cox, Daniel Blevins, James Blevins and William Blevins.11
Meredith Collins didn’t enter until 1776 and he was 16 years old at that time. Then by 1778 Fincastle Co. became Montgomery Co. Va.
Mongtomery Co. Va. Militia :
Montgomery Co. militia 1780’s by Kegly)(Osborn Company )
Benjamin Sexton
Charles Sexton
David Collins
George Collins
* Meredith Collins (enlisted 1776 at age 16, makes him in his 20’s)
Lewis Collins (son of John)
Elisha Collins (refused to take Oath of Allegiance 1777)
John Sexton
William Bowlin
William Riddle(son of Moses)
John Riddle (son of Moses)
Samuel Collins
John Collins (Probably a Jr.)
I would be willing to bet that the father of Meredith is in that first group of men. Any thoughts???? Elishia…Lewis….John Sr.
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8534That’s a good bet. Will have to see what I can find on any of them.
Looks like the only one court reference was not complete in my last posting :
“At a Court Continued and held for Montgomery County November, 8th, 1780.
PRESENT
William Preston
William Davies
Adam Dean
James Newell
and
Wm. Love,
Gentlemen.
Ordered that the Different persons who were presented by the grand jury be summoned to appear at the next Court to answer the same.
From Lewis Preston Summers, “Annals of Southwest Virginia”, p.743 & 744.
On hearing the Petition of James Roberts, Jesse Meeks, and William Riddle it is the opinion of the Court that the sd. Petitioners be received as members of the Community so long as they behave as good Citizens, but the Court does not believe itself properly authorized to grant pardon for Offences against Individuals, therefore if any of the Petitioners while they were in open rebellion against the State or concerned in Insurrections were guilty of Murder, Robbery, or of Feloniously taking away the property of any person; such must be Amenable to the laws of the State of which they become Inhabitants, as the Court believes, and indeed is convinced, that it is a Change of Prospect and necessity reather than any alteration in their principles that induces them to petition in the manner they have done. If they incline to become good Citizens of the State they cannot with propriety refuse the above offer of Pardon on Submitting to the Laws.”
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8556Brenda, you do very good research. Thanks you for posting again.
I saw a couple of interesting things. My Waylands have never been called “Melungeons” and we do not have a family tradition of it that I know of. But we do have the family tradition that these people – Richey, Wayland, Woods, Dickson –were somehow mixed blood Indian, and we do not know which families were white and when they married the Indian side of the family that went back to Virginia. Unfortunately, the more we learn the more confused I get . . . 🙂 And much of it is circumstantial, living in the right place at the right time . . . with surnames that maybe . . .
I am interested in Joel Gibson, and a Humphrey Gibson, and a Thomas Gibson, and possibly others. Humphrey Gibson (Jr) is found in Arkansas later and is near one of my Waylands. Thomas Gibson in his will, mentioned a daughter “Cussiah” Gibson. These Gibson’s are in Pittslevania County, I believe. I am thinking that “Cussiah” Gibson might be Nevil Wayland’s wife. James Gibson was his neighbor in Lower Russell County and John Gibson lived on 15 acres in the middle of their land, and is mentioed being there after Nevil died in 1806. Later Francis Wayland pays land taxes (if i understand the legal talk correctly, and I might not be understanding it) for this same John Gibson.
Also you mention Blevins and Sexton. After the revolutionary War Nevil Wayland got land on the Tyger river in South Carolina. There was a Sexton family also on the Tyger River. Also “Thomas Gibson” — I was told the same one mentioned above in Pittsylvania County, Va — was on the Tyger River too. I think Nevil Wayland was probably closer to Spartabsburg than Thomas Gibson was but I am not sure of his exact location. Joel and Humphrey Gibson (Sr and Jr) were near the Oconee River in the extreme NW corner of SC. This would have been in the later 1780s.
I don’t know how James and John Gibson (and there was another one somehow related to James and John named George I think) might be connected to Humphrey, and Joel and Thomas, or even if they are, they just seem to be. There was a Humphrey Gibson, Sr and Jr, and the Jr.would be the right age to be the one in Arkansas in 1830. Kezziah is still alive and between 70 and 80 in Arkansas, and Humphrey Gibson is about ten years younger (I was told these things, I haven’t found this myself). It might be that Kezziah is only listed as female living with a son, and her name might not be listed. If this is the case, it might not be Kezziah but someone else.
vance
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8561Vance,
I started new thread under this same forum with the surname Gipson. Maybe it will be of help to you.
Brenda
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8572Thanks Brenda —
my monitored died on me, and I can’t get mail from my “www.pacer.com” mailbox — so I am really behind on e-mail. I’ll look at it.
vance
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8588Excuse me folks if I can step in here a second. The Richard Green mentioned above is, I believe, my Richard Green who settled on the Clinch River around the mouth of Blackwater River and who’s neighbors were for a short time the Bakers, Wallins, Roberts, Bunches, etc. on the border of Hancock and Hawkins Co. in Tn.
He removed some time around 1800 to Henry Co. Ky. and settled on Drennon’s Creek as did the family of BASIL MEEK.
Does anyone know if these guys in 1780 were Loyalists or Patriots?
Does anyone know about Basil Meek? His granddau. Sarah Meek married Benjamin F. Gibson.
These Meeks married into the Loudens and Newhouses as did my Greens.
Dan.
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8595These are my Greens (indirect); Meeks (have a lot on them – one changed their name to Childs, his grandmother’s name); also have a Roberts (direct) and my Wilburn line is related to the Bunch.
As “Childs”, a dau of the Meeks-Childs guy, marr’d one of my Law/s, also. The Meeks left Ky early & went to Southeastern Indiana (Jennings Co).
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #8597There are Meeks related to my Sinkeys. Went to high school with them.
Cindy
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #12303To all; There are a group of families that are referred to as the “Longhunters.” Many are listed on the 1758 Militia Roster of Halifax County, Va.
I have seen them referred to as being mixed blood Saponi on the “New River Valley Historical Notes” website.
The families are Rice, Blevins, Lee, Wallen/Walden/Walling/Wollin, Cox, GREEN, and possibly others.
By 1767 they are listed on the Pittsylvania Co. Va. Tithable List (in present Henry Co. Va.) where they have been joined by Moses Ridle/Riddle, the Roberts family, the Skaggs and others.
By 1772 they are listed on the Botetourt Co. Va. Tithables List and are joined by other families such as the Baker, Jones, and Rogers families. This is the area in present Grayson Co. Va. on Elk Creek, a tributary of the New River.
Most of these families start out as Tories with some of them switching to the Continental side later on.
By 1786 these families are living on the Clinch River on the present Hawkins and Hancock county line. Their neighbors are known as the Melungeons of the Collins, Bowlin, Bunch, Mullins, and Blevins families.
Do any of you know about these Longhunters. I think I might be descended from Elisha Walling, William Blevins, and John and Issac Rice in my Green family.
Dan.
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #12304Dan,
Yes, I’m very aware of those specific LongHunters 🙂 and a couple more of their partners. I’m also of the opinion that they were mixed Saponi and possibly Tuscarora.
Bill
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #12322The Longknives were often a thorn in the side of the Shawnee, Cherokee and others. I too read some of them might have been mixed blood Indian.
Thanks Dan. You said these people started out as Tories and changed sides? That is interesting — that’s what Christopher Gist did. He is believed by many to have been Sequoyah’s father. He switched sides in 1777. Do you know when these people you speak of switched sides? What documentation do you have for this?
again thanks —
vance
December 25, 2003 at 3:30 am #12323Very interesting information. We have Rice’s over the border in Brunswick.
A longhunter is a man who went hunting for furs at great distance from his home, for a season at a time. Of course, that was the standard occupation for a traditional Indian man. It was as common an occupation as farming was in settler society. In traditional Indian society, the women were the farmers. The men were “longhunters.” The average Indian man did a tremendous amount of travelling in his time. My guess is that nearly all VA Saponi men in traditional culture had been to Ohio a time or two, at least.
Remember the account of Gabriel Arthur, who was whisked away from the friends of the Occoneechee, who wanted him silenced for witnessing the murder of Needham by an Occoneechee. He was taken by a Yuchi chief (some say Cherokee) and his party. They went deep into the deep south, then over to Florida, then over to the Kentucky/Ohio line on some business or other.
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