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Hi,
Complete newbie here.
I’ve traced back my family to a Quinney (or Quinne or Quinnie or Queney) Mae Vaughn or Vaughan, who married Zachariah W. Wimberley in Wake County NC in 1812. Her father’s name was Steven, mother unknown.
She was born in either 1794 or 1800 in NC. And her husband was born in 1790, and died in 1850. She died in 1837, probably in childbirth, as her last child (#13?), also named Quinnie, was born in May of that year (and from family rumor.) The marriage was witnessed by Joel Bird who put up the $500 marriage bond with Zachariah.
The family seems to have come from Virginia and spread out from North Carolina to various places, including Georgia, and Texas — where my line went. There seems to have been a breach at this time with other Wimberleys, so I’m having a hard time connecting Zachariah to other previous Wimberleys (or, if he was a new immigrant, to where he came from.)
All I know about the Vaughn family are some rumors I’ve seen on other websites that ‘those Carolina Vaughns’ were of native-american ancestry, and can find no connections beyond Steven and no info on him.
My mother was told that we have ‘Blackfoot Indian blood,’ which didn’t make sense considering where we came from, until I found this site. So far, the other family stories I’ve heard have all checked out, so I’m guessing this one does, too.
It doesn’t matter to me what we are, I’d just like to know more, and be able to tell my mother something about her family.
Can anyone tell me what tribe or village, or anything, is likely, and where to look for more info?
I get the impression that Queney (or however it’s really spelled) was Chrisitian and religious. Does anyone know how I’d find baptism documents from that time?
And can anyone give me sort of a thumbnail version of who the indigenous people in the area were and what they were like? The impression I get so far is woodland, farmers, traders, a perhaps a kind of motley group who had mixed quite a bit with incoming Europeans, and were losing their customs. Is that a fair assessment?
Thank you all so much. It would be so great to know more and reclaim a part of our family.
Welcome to the forum, Hana,
I’ll take a look for them.
The most info is likely to be found on this saponitown website. I’d suggest you do a lot of reading on the section of this site entitled “Share Historical Research” to get a feel for what you’re up against 🙂 when trying to trace them.
The Eastern Sioux groups were pretty well splintered and scattered by the early to mid-1700s and some groups went to the Carolinas, Pennsylvania (later to Canada) and west, deeper into the Piedmont area and Appalachians.
Your “assessment” near the end of your posting is generally correct and many were christianized early on.
Bill
Hana,
Zachariah Wimberley was probably not an immigrant as I can find NC marriage records for this surname back into the 1760s.
I’m also not convinced that there is more than one Wimberley/ Wimberly/ Wimbly line in NC at this time, because there is a John Wimberley who d.1742 (Will) in Bertie Co., next door to Edgecomb and there don’t appear to be anyothers around.
Heritage Quest lists Zachariah’s marriage:
Zachariah Wimberly + Queney Vaughan; 11-16-1812; Wake Co, NC.
Other Wake Co NC “Wimberly” marriages listed:
Elizabeth + Matthew YATES; 11-30-1793.
Winnifred + Warren H. LEAVING; 10-22-1816.
Cherry + Jacob VanSHARK; 10-26-1816.
Charity + Henry BUNCH; 6-13-1821.
Nanney + Lott HOWELL; 1-3-1823.
Circumstancial:
The 1760s Wimberly marriages were in Edgecomb Co which is where Stephen Vaughan/Vaughn is alledged to have lived before moving to Wake Co near APEX, NC, and dying in 1832.
One was George Wimberly who marr’d Charity THOMAS 9-1-1764 in Edgecomb Co. (George d.1790, had a son also named George.)
A Malachi Wimberly marr’d Charity HORN 10-10-1778 in Johnston Co, next door to Wake Co., and in 1778, Johnston was also next door to Edgecomb Co.
In 1810 Johnston Co NC is a young “Malacha” (Malachi) Wimberley, 16 to 25 yrs old & single (not the 1778 guy but possibly related), and….
George Wimberly, 26 to 44 yrs old. (it’s certainly possible that this is the son of the George who di.1790 in Edgecomb Co.)
I think it is reasonable to regard the Johnston Co people as possible descendants of the earlier Edgecomb Co people – at least to the point of proving otherwise.
Another thing……
In 1830 Wake Co NC census, Stephen Vaughn, Sen’r’s household contained:
1 White male, 60 to 69 yrs old (b.1760’s)
1 White female, 60 to 69 yrs old.
3 FPC males under 10. ****
1 FPC female 10 to 24. ****
1 FPC female 36 to 55. ****
1 male Slave 10 to 24.
1 male Slave 36 to 54.
1 female Slave 25 to 35.
The FPC (Free Persons of Color) designation in this era in the south, was most often used to indentify Indians.
If these were Stephen Vaughn’s children or relatives, that may have been enough to split up the Wimberleys by the 1850/1860 era.
I could not find anyone in Wake Co in 1850 who may have been these 1830 FPCs, but Zach’s son Lewis appears to be the Lewis Wimberly in 1850 Henry Co., Tenn, so maybe they went to Tenn also – but I don’t know that for a fact.
The 1850 Wake Co census shows Zachariah as 63 yrs old, (or b.abt. 1787) b. NC.
……..
Bill
Hi,
I’m going to have to think about the info you’ve given me to figure how it fits in with what I’ve been finding. Looks like you gave me some new info in there! Thanks!
My mother has also shared more. She said besides being told Blackfoot, she also heard someon refer to something like Crow, which I’m thinking may have actually meant Cro-atan.
I feel like I’m narrowing in on some parts of the mystery. Stephen Vaughan fathered Quinney with a woman name Priscilla but out of the 60 references to Quinney, many gave the name Priscilla but not one had her last name. So I Googled for where Stephen Vaughan appeared with a Priscilla and it turns out there was one right next door!
Only problem is, she was too young, but her daughter, presumably named Pamela, was just the same age as that given for Priscilla. And she stopped having kids — a long string of them — with her husband, at the same age as Quinney, and then Stephen Vaughan Jr, were born. Her husband disappears some time after that, right around the time given in at least one report as Stephen dies, rather young.
Maybe I’m on a suspicious tangent, but I’m beginning to suspect that the reason no one reported the mother’s last name is that she had Quinney out-of-wedlock, with her neighbor. (The family Pamela/Priscilla comes from seems capable of it.) If not the neighbor, than a Native-American woman or slave whose name didn’t make it into any census I could find.
I’m stuck in so many spots in my family history, and there are these tantalizing hints in each of possible family secrets. Such as my GG-Grandfather Edgar/Edward S. Gregory, whose grandfather, I suspect, was of mixed ancestry and passing.
There are a Large number of Wimberley’s trying to figure out who Zachariah Wimberley’s father is. I’d thought it was Lewis for a number of reasons, but then why would he leave him out of the will? And why would all my line of Wimberleys, from Zachariah on down, insist their not connected to those other Wimberley’s? I can’t find any record of Zachariah immigrating. He just appears out of the blue, in Wake county.
It certainly seems like ann odd choice for someone to pick as a fake name. Freed son of a slave? There was a woman of mixed race who sued Lewis Wimberley for support of her son, and won, ten years previously, by the name of Abel. I’d wondered about that and why Zachariah’s mother never came forward.
Forgot to mention possibly the most important part. Stephen Vaughan (I couldn’t figure if it was Jr or Sr, married an Indian woman named Mourning E. Dance. If I recall correctly, he was listed in a census back in Meckenburg VA. It looked like the Dances were cousins of Quinney’s through Stephen’s grandfather.) There is also a Stephen Vaughan who shows up in Georgia around this time and is listed as black. And I think a couple of Wimberley’s too but I seem to be losing track.)
Thing is, I woudn’t be trying so hard to track this except that there were family reasons to think that the story of Native-American heritage was true, and the track they were supposedto be on, is the one that stops dead in its tracks right with the ones the stories were about. I know it’s silly but I was told I even have some of the supposed traits this far down the line of things like my mother saying her father said that was where we got our big nice teeth and double-jointedness and such, and would like to know if that’s where they came from.
Well, thanks for letting me rant. Any further possibilities would be appreciated.
Is it ok to report all of this here?
Help? And Thank You!
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Hana,
Zachariah Wimberley was probably not an immigrant as I can find NC marriage records for this surname back into the 1760s.
I’m also not convinced that there is more than one Wimberley/ Wimberly/ Wimbly line in NC at this time, because there is a John Wimberley who d.1742 (Will) in Bertie Co., next door to Edgecomb and there don’t appear to be anyothers around.
I’m with you there. Don’t have the names written down but Lewis and some other’s were the right age to have had Zachariah. The family story was that his father’s (whoever he was) first wife was an Indian, who died during a birth and that the second wife was Anglo. And that there were two sons by each but because the family records burned we don’t know which son was our ancestor. Lewis’s wife Martha Barbee died in childbirth, I think, and he had a second wife, and family records did burn at the courthouse, but she had more than one son and doesn’t appear of Native-American descent. Zachariah himself also had a second wife, Mary Yates (note that another Wimberly in the area married a Yates) and Queney herself appears to have died in childbirth. Both women had more than one son, though. (I think the story got slightly confused but that either Queney or Zachariah’s mother is the Indian.)
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Heritage Quest lists Zachariah’s marriage:
Zachariah Wimberly + Queney Vaughan; 11-16-1812; Wake Co, NC.
Other Wake Co NC “Wimberly” marriages listed:
Elizabeth + Matthew YATES; 11-30-1793.
Winnifred + Warren H. LEAVING; 10-22-1816.
Cherry + Jacob VanSHARK; 10-26-1816.
Charity + Henry BUNCH; 6-13-1821.
Nanney + Lott HOWELL; 1-3-1823.
I didn’t know there were other Wimberlys getting married around the same time! Siblings or cousins? Do you know who their parent was? I just found the Mormon search engine which has been helpful.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Circumstancial:
The 1760s Wimberly marriages were in Edgecomb Co which is where Stephen Vaughan/Vaughn is alledged to have lived before moving to Wake Co near APEX, NC, and dying in 1832.
I also have him as owning property in VA, along the Nansemond? River, next door to that Priscilla/Pamela Newsom. Was wondering where his daughter could have met a Wimberly. Wonder if the Newsoms had property in Edgecombe, too.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
One was George Wimberly who marr’d Charity THOMAS 9-1-1764 in Edgecomb Co. (George d.1790, had a son also named George.)
A Malachi Wimberly marr’d Charity HORN 10-10-1778 in Johnston Co, next door to Wake Co., and in 1778, Johnston was also next door to Edgecomb Co.
In 1810 Johnston Co NC is a young “Malacha” (Malachi) Wimberley, 16 to 25 yrs old & single (not the 1778 guy but possibly related), and….
George Wimberly, 26 to 44 yrs old. (it’s certainly possible that this is the son of the George who di.1790 in Edgecomb Co.)
I think it is reasonable to regard the Johnston Co people as possible descendants of the earlier Edgecomb Co people – at least to the point of proving otherwise.
Are you thinking that maybe George could have been the dad? Or that Zachariah was really Malachi, or something? Zachariah’s middle name was W. something. I’ve been looking into the name angle a lot because these people are Really found of naming their kids after themselves and their relatives. I could figure out whom almost all of Zachariah’s ten kids were named after, once I had the name of some of Queney Vaughans presumed relatives. She has an Uncle named Pleasant, for instance, and named one of her kids that. (She also has a Quinnie and a Zarchariah. This continues all the way down the line to my mother who was named after her mother, aunt and grandma.)
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Another thing……
In 1830 Wake Co NC census, Stephen Vaughn, Sen’r’s household contained:
1 White male, 60 to 69 yrs old (b.1760’s)
1 White female, 60 to 69 yrs old.
3 FPC males under 10. ****
1 FPC female 10 to 24. ****
1 FPC female 36 to 55. ****
1 male Slave 10 to 24.
1 male Slave 36 to 54.
1 female Slave 25 to 35.
The FPC (Free Persons of Color) designation in this era in the south, was most often used to indentify Indians.
Now this one is really interesting. Why did two elderly White people have 2 FPC women and their kids in the house, unless these are daughters-in-law and their grandkids? And are these cousins of mine or direct descendants in that case? Doesn’t sound like they could be my direct descendants unless Quinney left Zachariah with a few kids for a real, and no reason to think that.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
If these were Stephen Vaughn’s children or relatives, that may have been enough to split up the Wimberleys by the 1850/1860 era.
The split actually seems to have happened around Zachariah’s birth time, 1787. Our history starts with and only claims him.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
I could not find anyone in Wake Co in 1850 who may have been these 1830 FPCs, but Zach’s son Lewis appears to be the Lewis Wimberly in 1850 Henry Co., Tenn, so maybe they went to Tenn also – but I don’t know that for a fact.
The 1850 Wake Co census shows Zachariah as 63 yrs old, (or b.abt. 1787) b. NC.
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Bill
Will think about this last bit, too. Pleasant left sometime around 1840, as soon as he grew up. And took all the siblings who hadn’t left home already with him to Texas.
Thank you so much for joining me in my search. I Really appreciate it!!
Too many questions to answer with one liners. I’ll re-list this as “Unread” and try to treat each question separately. It gets pretty involved and I only hope I can tie this together properly.
Bill
Just recieved an email from a distant cousin from the branch of Archibald Collins ( s/o Meredith Collins).
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I do have a picture of my 2nd great grandmother Tennessee George Vaughan. She was Archibald”s grandaughter. She has Indian features but had flaming red hair. I have information that her great grandmother Elsey Frazee Who married Reuben George was Full blooded Tuckahoe-Cherokee Indian. I wondered who the tuckahoe indians were?
Bill, in your search have you came across Reuben George? Meredith had a son named Reuben Collins.
Brenda
PS: Just recieved word from this cousin;
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Reuben George was born Culpepper Virginia in 1749 died in Pendleton county WV 1832. He was in the american revolusion. He married Elsey or spelled elice Frazee. She was born stoney hill new jersey in 1755. Died in pendleton co. WV 1821.Next in line was Henry GeorgeSr. Son of reuben and elsey. born 1790 in pendleton co, WV Died 1882 in roane co. WV he married mary elizabeth murphy born 1794 in barbour county. WV died in roane co. Wv 1857. Next their son Walter George born 1826 in pendleton co. WV. Died?? He married Elizabeth Jane Collins Born Pike co. Kentucky 1828. They were married april 15, 1849 in Gilmer co. WV. Next Tennessee George their daughter born 1866 in roane county WV died 1920 in fayette co WV buried in greenbrier co.WV Her husband Andrew M. Vaughan born 1865 in roane co. died 1949 buried in greenbrier co. WV
Hana,
Mourning E. Dance (b.abt.1793) married Pleasant Vaughn/Vaughan (b.abt. 1793) on 27 August 1822 in LUNENBURG Co, Va per that county’s Marriage Records.
The Bondsman was Stephen Dance (b.1776 Va).
There are two DANCE families in 1820 Lunenburg Co:
Stephen and his father Mathew Dance.
Stephen was 26 to 44 yrs old, had 4 females under 10 and one female 26 to 44 (presumably his wife) living in his household.
Mathew was over 45 yrs old and had 2 females aged 26 to 44 in his household, one of them may have been Mourning Dance.
Mathew also had a number of FPCs (5 males and 2 females) in his 1820 household. Mathew’s known children do not include Mourning although there are 2 whose first names are unknown and then there are the FPCs.
Mathew’s dau Frances, b.1774, who marr’d John Inge, b.1750, had a descendant who married into the line of THOMAS GIBSON, b.1745, who I think is the son of Thomas Gibson, a.k.a. Wilburn (see elsewhere on this forum). This does happen from time to time 🙂 but it makes me suspect this DANCE line may not have been all White.
(Stephen Dance, b.1776, was the son Mathew Dance, b. 9 Sept 1750 (Probably Dinwiddie Co., Va; d. 11 Sept 1826 Lunenburg Co., Va; and Sarah Hill, b. 24 Nov 1748 Lunenburg Co., Va; d.abt. 1819)
I’ll dig at this a little more.
Bill
For whatever it’s worth, Mathew Dance Jr. is Mathew Mayes Dance and Quinney is Quinney Mayes Vaughan, so there are some related Mayes around somewhere. At one point I traced back and found the exact Dance/Vaughan connection. Not sure if it matters. Both Vaughans and Dances have numerous members who show up later in the 1880 census as ‘black.’
The other angle I’m now working on is the Bird connection. Joel Bird helped put up Quinney and Zachariah’s marriage bond in 1812, which I didn’t realize was such a big deal and unlikely to be done by any but family. Then I found a Sarah (Sally) Wimberly, of the right age (1770) to be Zachariah’s mother, who married a Mr. Bird (possibly John). So there is a Wimberley/Bird connection. Some of the Birds, I understand, were native-american.
(Sarah is the daughter of Lewis Wimberly, who has been the Wimberly who seemed the likeliest of any to be Zachariah’s dad, for a number of reasons. Mostly character, proximity and some parts of the family story. We were told the Indian ancestor was a first wife, that she died in childbirth, the kids didn’t get along with the second wife and left, and that the family records burned. All of these things are true both of Quinney, and of Martha, Lewis’ first wife.)
This is off the Vaughan connection but several of my other ‘mystery’ lines are starting to show these intriguing hints of NDN connection. And I’ve noticed that the same names seem to show up from state to state as neighbors, so perhaps the neighbors did have some idea of what they were talking about when they said my mother’s family has Indian blood. Lots of lines with mainstream Anglo names that seem to appear out of the blue and not connect up with nearby folks with the same surname.
The line I’m working on right now stops at Richard Emery Hughes who married a Jane Brandon in SC. There is also a Richard H. Hughes, and an EH Hughes who seem to be the same guy as my Richard E. Which didn’t make sense to me until I found out that people often used Emery/Embree/Hembree interchangeably, and that the Hembree form seems to especially come from SC.
Anyway, thank you so much for following up on this!!
Mathew Dance, b.1750, was the son of Stephen Dance, b.1730, d. 1784; and Phoebe Mays/Mayes), both of Dinwiddie Co., Va.
F.Y.I….. Just about everyone who didn’t look to be all White, ended up listed as Black on the 1880 census.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Mathew Dance, b.1750, was the son of Stephen Dance, b.1730, d. 1784; and Phoebe Mays/Mayes), both of Dinwiddie Co., Va.
Thank you for this.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
F.Y.I….. Just about everyone who didn’t look to be all White, ended up listed as Black on the 1880 census.
Am I mistaken in thinking that the 1880 census doesn’t have an indian designation, only white, mulatto, and ‘black’ which is used to cover both African-American and Native-American designations?
I’ve wondered about African-American ancestry as well, but mostly on my Gregory, Moore and Rouch lines. Nothing very definitive yet. Be nice to have something definitive about Somebody. Right now my hypothesis is that these mystery family lines of mine are due to either ethnicity that nearby Anglo relations don’t want to acknowledge, or ‘wrong side of the blanket’ unions. (I’ve already found a Hughes with a hidden family and a Gregory raised by parents who turned out to be Uncle and Aunt, because of something off about the parentage, and then a later unacknowledged union.)
One idea I found helpful was that just like religions tended to marry their own, so did political persuasions, and ethnic mixes. So once I find one line that is more than family story and rumor I’ll have a clearer direction for them all.
Any thoughts about the Birds? (It would be a real dream to find out who Zachariah Wimberley is related to. I’ve gotten the impression that other Wimberleys have been trying to a loooong time. Best candidates seem to be Sarah, Lewis or George. And Joel Bird stands out as the only documentable link to anyone. He marries, I think, Nancy Wilson in 1822.)
The 1880 census did not have an Indian designation – But, I’ve seen “I” (for Indian) designations in 1880 Clay Co., Ky.
Although it was never absolutely true, most people think “Indians only live on reservations” and they may have been even more convinced of that, in the east, in the 1880s. Actual census such as we’re talking about, were not taken on reservations at this time and anyone not living on a reservation was considered to be white, mulatto or black.
Census takers and county officials were not trained in any scientific diciplines and racial designations for the same person did indeed change over time and with geographic area of the country as they moved around. Also, I’ve always suspected that a family’s economic circumstances entered into some census takers’ decision about what race a family may have been.
Re: Marrying. A lot could be said on this subject but generally speaking, family groups do tend to stick together over long periods of time, resulting in cousins marrying cousins after only a couple of generations. Someone looking at society in general, and early american society in particular, has to be careful not to overlay their current biases onto the personalities of those distant ancestors.
Yes, there was a lot of playing-around even then and sometimes it was just “winked-at”, people did have affairs, people did have ‘bastard’ children and with the more well-off sometimes having several families at the same time in the same community (it’s tough to ‘shun’ or have ‘nothin to do with’ the grist mill owner or shoemaker or wagon maker, etc., just because you don’t agree with their personal activities).
Not finding a marriage bond or license for a couple does not mean they didn’t get “formerly” married. In out-of-the-way places, many couples were married by agreement of their parents, and then some of these married later in front of a Minister whenever that circuit-rider came around next (or never) and some just eloped and “consorted” – hence the origin of “Consort” being applied to common-law marriage situations in earlier days. Having eloped, a couple moving to a new area would likely never be asked if they were “married” – there were just too many versions for it to matter much. Some Ministers “made returns” of the marriage record (sometimes that was just a scribbled note on a scrap of paper) to the courthouse and many didn’t – considering marriage to be the “province of God, not of government”. Since we’re discussing assimilated and/or mixed blood people, there is also the chance that some older cultural practices were still being used among themselves but that would be impossible to prove in most cases.
(Not to be overlooked are the individual States’ laws on “Age of Consent”. Until the 1960s, Indiana’s “age of consent” for females was 14 and for males, 16. Early Indiana records are full of the marriages of young people from the surrounding states and some from “far off”, who eloped to Indiana. Some then went back ‘home’, others stayed. There were surely other states with just the same laws.)
tHE BIRD/ BYRD/BURD/BURDE surname is shared by some people of all racial backgrounds in the NC/Va area where your BIRD connection lived. Some are on this forum (use the ‘search’ button). I haven’t looked at your Joel Bird yet.
Bill
Yeah, Bird seems to be kind of a tough one because of the variety.
And I’m not making a lot of judgments about the folks I find. Even if i was the judgmental type, you sure get a better sense of how confusing, wild and complex it all was from doing enough of this genealogy stuff. Everyything from native-americans who had slaves, to free blacks who look to have bought friends and relatives as a way around the laws. I was surprised that in one case a mulatto woman sued a fairly prominent white man for support of her child and won! There are lots of things I didn’t expect, people being people.
I even have more sympathy for the settlers who swarmed the country (trying to get away from their own trouble and not thinking about how overpopulation would effect anyone else, such as the natives) and the government breaking some treaties. They really seemed to have very little control over these folks. People would just leave town to avoid paying taxes, for instance, and couldn’t be traced. It just has given me a better sense of how history was from the ground.
So I skip around when I get stuck and come back fresh later, and right now I’ve skipped back to my David G. Gregory problem. He was the Cumberland minister (first Methodist, then he switched to Presbytarian — possibly because of the slavery question) who came to Texas in 1848 with other Gregory families — including Umbelton who has clear (and Anglo) Gregory connections but whose parents have so far been untraceable by not only me but lots of other Gregorys. A prominent guy, who got press, and had lots of kids, yet no one can say who Grandpa and Grandma were. (His wife, Mary Fant, is so far untraceable, too.)
My current theory is that some of those kids he brought to Texas weren’t his, they were from the Mission (which was in the middle of a dispute and had other troubles at the time.) There were reasons to think they weren’t his such as that the oldest, for instance, was pretty old to have been his kid. When David left the Mission, he became a local preacher (this was near Kansas City).
He returned briefly for a reunion a few years before showing up with much fanfare in Texas. His years near Kansas City, where he came from etc are contradictory and little documented. Most of his kids were said to have preceded him in death in Texas (but I suspect some just left town.) His body isn’t even buried where it was reported to be!
The Mission he’d been on not only taught native children but the children of slaves, too. This was about to be outlawed. So using my current theory, I’m guessing he took kids he considered to be unsafe in some way in the area with him to Texas. This could also be Indian kids, as many had be dislocated, and it was going to happen again. The other possibility is they weren’t Mission kids but some of Umbeltons numerous offspring, but again, by way of either Native-American or African-American women.
Sorry for all the blathering on but it is helping me think. What I’m wondering is, do you have any ideas on how I could find out who those kids were? (Probably the strongest reason for my pursuing this is that I met my great-grandmother when I was a child, and having grown up in a non-white neighborhood, I recognized that she wasn’t white. But no one ever acknowledged this.
She was quite old so it was hard to say what her ancestry was, but she did have black kinky or wooly hair when young, I was told, her eyes were very dark and birdlike, and she had kind of oily yellow-brown skin around her eyes. I only saw her once or twice but her sweet smiling face has haunted me ever since.
I guess I’m kind of haunted by my grandmothers — and would like to tell my children where we came from.
Thank you for your kindness.
I know Umberton Gregory’s line – it includes VAUGHAN, GREEN, WEST from Mecklenburg, Spotsylvania, King William, Prince George counties, Va and Washington & Mercer Co (where his parents were married), Ky as well as Smith & Sumner counties, TENN, before some of them went to Missouri. Umberton Gregory marr’d his first wife in Sumner Co., Tenn; moved to Clark Co., Mo. with a couple of his brothers, was marr’d 3 times, had about 21 kids and died in 1864 in Fayette Co., TEXAS where David G. Gregory lived. I even have census abstracts for them.
What relationship to David G. (was his middle name Gabriel??) Gregory is Umberton?
Bill
Originally posted by Bill Childs
I know Umberton Gregory’s line – it includes VAUGHAN, GREEN, WEST from Mecklenburg, Spotsylvania, King William, Prince George counties, Va and Washington & Mercer Co (where his parents were married), Ky as well as Smith & Sumner counties, TENN, before some of them went to Missouri.
More Vaughan’s, huh? That figures. (I do keep seeing the same families as neighbors from state to state.)
Supposedly David was born in Hawkins Co. TENN on May 29, 1809, but no one has found out to whom he was born. He went to MO probably about 1833, supposedly with his wife, Mary Fant of Sevier Co. Tenn. But no one can find her parents, either.
And he would have had at least one of his kids before going to MO, Robert F. Gregory (the one I’m most interested in right now) who married Ada Scallurn. They wrote down his DOB as 1829 on one form but he told the census taker 1826. (Which would have made David only 17 at the time, and Mary 15.)
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Umberton Gregory marr’d his first wife in Sumner Co., Tenn; moved to Clark Co., Mo. with a couple of his brothers, was marr’d 3 times, had about 21 kids and died in 1864 in Fayette Co., TEXAS where David G. Gregory lived.
Do you know which other brothers of Umbleton’s moved with him to MO? I found a Burt on a Clark Co census for 1840. And a Humbelton and a U.S. Gregory.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
I even have census abstracts for them.
What relationship to David G. (was his middle name Gabriel??) Gregory is Umberton?
Bill
I’m in contact with a Gregory cousin who has been trying for years to figure out what connection Umbleton is to David. Umbleton is buried next to Mary Fant in the Fayette Cemetery but David isn’t buried there like he’s supposed to be. (No headstone.) We don’t know what David G.’s middle name is, either. Is there a Gabriel? I’d been thinking maybe Gerard, as there is a Gerard who has children, many of whom are unknown. There also seems to be a Grundy connection.
There are two other Gregory families that move to Fayette at the same time as Umbelton and David. One is Abraham Duren, Umbleton’s son, and the other is a family who is in the family as being black, whom I’m betting is family, too. The initial looked like an N. (born 1795), and his wife’s name was Mary, their kids, Sarah and Finetta.
Wow, census abstracts! Could I see?
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