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I may be mistaken but I think I posted the lack of connection between Robert and Umberton on one of the threads related to one of these lines we’ve been chewing on. I wasn’t able to connect any of Umberton’s relatives to Robert Gregory in Greene Co, Tenn either, but that only means what it says, not that they weren’t related. I’m just wondering where the “born in Hawkins Co., Tenn” came from, which imparts such circumstancial evidence to Robert Gregory and his marriage just a year or so before David is born.
The Gregory in Missouri was one of Umberton’s brothers and Umberton lives very nearby per the next census. Umberton is there by 1840 (memory… maybe!). The Charles Fant is on the same census page as one of these Gregorys but I don’t remember which one. I did cross check a latter census to determine if Charles Fant’s family was still there versus where David Gregory was – I’ll have to look it up in my notes.
Bill
Hana,
Stephen Vaughn SENIOR, b. abt. 1765 Halifax Co., NC., d. 1832 Wake Co., NC., is the Stephen Vaughn who was marr’d to a Priscilla _?_,
Bill
Originally posted by Bill Childs
I may be mistaken but I think I posted the lack of connection between Robert and Umberton on one of the threads related to one of these lines we’ve been chewing on. I wasn’t able to connect any of Umberton’s relatives to Robert Gregory in Greene Co, Tenn either, but that only means what it says, not that they weren’t related.
Anything else you have on Umbelton would be truly welcome, as he seems to be our one chance at finding a connection to any Gregorys, as he’s the Only Gregory we find with our David — and they seem to be traveling together.
They are both in Missouri — near the Fants, and do travel to Texas together. My cousin found Umbelton buried next to David’s first wife, Mary Fant. But David wasn’t there. (We presume he’s next to his second wife, but we haven’t found her yet.)
Originally posted by Bill Childs
I’m just wondering where the “born in Hawkins Co., Tenn” came from, which imparts such circumstancial evidence to Robert Gregory and his marriage just a year or so before David is born.
Bill [/B]
Presumably self-report. It’s on things like the bio of him that his church does. No one has any official public records, to my knowledge, and i know some have looked.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
The Gregory in Missouri was one of Umberton’s brothers and Umberton lives very nearby per the next census. there by 1840 (memory… maybe!). The Charles Fant is on the same census page as one of these Gregorys but I don’t remember which one. I did cross check a latter census to determine if Charles Fant’s family was still there versus where David Gregory was – I’ll have to look it up in my notes.
Bill [/B]
Bill [/B]
So David C. Gregory is a brother of Umbeltons?
My David G. Gregory Umberton is reported on an early church record as having gone to town after leaving the Mission around 1836, and become a ‘local preacher.’ The present-day Misson researcher couldn’t find any info on what happens to him after he leaves the Mission. The next we hear of him he shows up in Texas, in 1848, and from there on, his story is a well-documented, public book. (Well, except for the little matter of the second wife he apparently gets pregnant before the first has died, for which one must read between the lines on birth records, his first wife’s will, etc.)
So, what was he doing for 10-12 years?
There in town with Umbelton and possibly David C. and the Fants? Is This where he meets Mary Fant, rather than TN? (Which, depending on circumstances, could have something to do with why there is so little info on her ever. Couldn’t even find a pic, though I do have one of David. That is one intense looking dude — with some impressive high cheekbones.)
So far, Umbelton is the best key to our Gregory mystery.
(Btw, do you happen to know if the Robert Gregory from Greene, TN is the same Robert who is found in Union Co. SC as an early settler? (Presumably arriving around 1755, with the other settlers.) Or maybe this Robert is the other Robert’s father? The reasons I’m wondering is that some of my other ancestors first appear there. And that Robert Gregory I think I read is an FPC. )
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Hana,
Stephen Vaughn SENIOR, b. abt. 1765 Halifax Co., NC., d. 1832 Wake Co., NC., is the Stephen Vaughn who was marr’d to a Priscilla _?_,
Bill
Yes, this is the Stephen V. who is supposed to be the first ancestor we can find on that line, and the father of our Quinney May/es Vaughan, who marries Zachariah Wimberley. (Btw, out of the maybe 60 listings on Family Search related to this line, No One has Priscilla’s last name.)
I was just wondering if this Stephen Vaughan could possibly be the same Stephen (or related) who was supposed to have been born around 1767, who has property in VA, in Mecklenburg, and also in NC. (Among other questionable links, the 1767 Stephen has land grants on Nottaway (3 Creeks), next to Isle of Wight next door to a Priscilla (Newsom).)
Another little clue I have is that in 1769, S.Batchelor bought land on Great Branch?, adjacent to a Stephen Vaughan, out of a Granville grant of 1762 with a Stephen Vaughan (& others).
This is signifcant because two of the Wimberley girls (descended from my Q and Z.) marry Batchelor brothers.
What I’m trying to find is any connection between the two Stephens, any clue about Stephen born in 1765’s parentage, any clue about Priscilla’s family.
(And I’m not really sure if I believe my Quinney is Stephen’s daughter, because they named all their kids the traditional way, from what I can tell, yet, the second son is Warren, not Stephen. None of the kids are Stephen. Yet, Warren is passed down, all the way to my Grandpa.)
Quinney’s younger brother was Stephen Vaughn Jr., b.1800 Wake Co., d. Overton Co., Tenn; married on 24 July 1821 Wake Co., NC, Delany (“Lany”) Ferrell, b.abt.1805, dau of Jacob Ferrell and Siddy Johnson.
Zachariah and Quinney didn’t name a son Stephen, you’re right, and they also did not name a son Zachariah.
Bill
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Quinney’s younger brother was Stephen Vaughn Jr., b.1800 Wake Co., d. Overton Co., Tenn; married on 24 July 1821 Wake Co., NC, Delany (“Lany”) Ferrell, b.abt.1805, dau of Jacob Ferrell and Siddy Johnson.
Yah, I have that, and she does name a daughter Nancy, possibly after her sister — just wondered if maybe it was a diff Quinney. On a Vaughan website they have her name as Quinsey. (Unlikely name, as it is an old name for some sort of throat infection, so it’s probably just a mispelling. )
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Zachariah and Quinney didn’t name a son Stephen, you’re right, and they also did not name a son Zachariah.
Bill
Youngest son — Zarcharah (or something like it.)
Though he could have named that son after himself. And the rest of the names follow the formula — if you put the ones named after themselves last. There’s a nancy in correct oldest sister spot, Priscilla’s in the right spot in line, too. And if I assume Joel Bird is his brother, Sarah (Wimberley) his mother and Lewis his father, or Grandfather? those fit, too. Leaves me with a Warren for Quinney’s father, and no idea what to do with Josiah. 😀
I know I tend to be overly unaccepting of family-reported info, but with so many looking for Zachariah and Quinneys parents for so long, it seems reasonable to throw out assumptions. (Problem is, i don’t have enough of the records to know which pieces are better thrown out.)
Hmm, and I guess I write here more about what I don’t know than what I Do know. Don’t mean to waste your time finding info I already have. 🙁
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My relative has been so set on David Wimberly being Zachariah’s father (David dies young and there’s not much on him) that she didn’t know anything about Benjamin or those other local Wimberleys (with FPCs.)
I think she’s not gonna share with me anymore. I asked her about the Wake Co tax rolls, which I bet she got, and no response. Oh well. Most of the newfound relations have been friendly, and with the recent Native-American stories, I’m starting to browse through Eastern Cherokee info a bit. Emory/Emery comes up there. (Ferrell, too, btw.) It does seem more likely that those folks cousin Josephine stayed with were Cherokee, than, say, Saponi. And I guess it wouldn’t be too odd for way down the line, Eastern Cherokee mixed-bloods to marry Eastern ‘blackfoot’ mixed-bloods, especially if they came from the same regions and were also ‘passing.’
It sometimes helps to “talk out loud”. Yes, throwing out previous assumptions often bears more fruit, kinda like pruning back a flowering shrub after it has bloomed, in order to make it produce more blooms. Keep digging.
Also, it sometimes helps to refresh what we do know by going back over all the stuff we’ve accumulated and reevaluating it – cut out the chaff by reorganizing “the stuff” down to just what can be proven and then look at that result. It helps sometimes.
Hope some of this is new and I’m not just repeating myself.
Turns out my g-grandfather, James L. Moore, was likely the one from Bastrop in 1873. If so, James Lester Moore grew up with neighbors who were nearly all listed as Black on the 1880 census. And in the 1930’s, he gave a good job to a black man in a small Texas town, in a place and time when it was unheard of, and from my impression of him, it was out of character for him to do so. The black man’s name was Bobo. Don’t know if it’s a first name or last but…
James L’s daughter, my grandmother, married a man whose ancester had had children with a woman named Mary Bobo, and they lived in this town.
Could all be coincidence of course. On the other hand, my mind leaps various ‘passing’ possibilities.
On other fronts, I’m still wondering about how Quinney Vaughan ended up with the name Quinney. (If that was her name — I’ve seen 4 other variations: Queney, Quinsey, Quiana and Quinna.) None of them are typical, and the other kids have traditional, conventional names. Girls back then weren’t given last names as first names.
Lots of questions. No new answers.
Cheers,
Hana (who has gone back to her birthname: Chana)
Well, I know more about some of these lines since last posting, but mostly on my unlikely-to-be-NA connections:
James L. Moore — Lots, thanks to Bill, on another thread!
The Rordorf family (or Von Rohrdorfs) I know lots more about now. (How? The German families they married into keep terrific, meticulous records, and thankfully for my family, are willing to share and interested in their more far-flung relations. Still don’t know much about Emilia’s mother Mathilde Carolina Fransizka Pape. Another orphan story! And the more common surnames are tough.)
My Stephen Vaughan seems to be the one born 1765, NC. I’m unclear on whether he was the one with the FPC connections on the census or not.
And I’ve got to start getting more linear about my thinking, instead of all over the place. (Or get one of my sisters to do the organizing part!)
Truly, many many thank yous to Bill and everyone on here! You’ve made it seem truly possible. And I’ve found out so much more about my family through this quest (not All of it bad!)
Happy Happy New Year!! (And happy ancestor-hunting!)
Hugs,
Chana/Hana
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