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Yeah, I don’t know her and we only spoke on the phone so it was hard to know exactly where her attitude was coming from but… certainly she Hated the idea of a young upstart coming up with new ideas after she’d been working on this for 26 years, which is understandable.
And was annoyed at having missed the FPC folks completely, who were, apparently, on pg. 2 of the sheet she had.
Also, she already had her own theory that David Wimberly was the missing link. She hadn’t even looked into the Birds much and had missed the Bird/Wimberley connection through Sarah.
The woman knew so much family genealogy by heart.
On the other hand, she certainly was looking sharply at My family creds, told me within minutes about ‘her daughter the doctor’ and all. :rolleyes:
We never knew many folks from either side of the family, for a number of reasons (among them my parent’s ‘mixed’ marriage.) So it’s weird to talk to them now. They are so eager to talk at first. And they sure could tell me how we’re distantly related to Andrew Jackson (about which I have decidedly mixed feelings), but any hint of non-Anglos?
I feel like I’m trying to ‘Out’ my mother’s family. 😀 (I admire the bravery and nerve of that first ‘passer’ and what s/he was trying to accomplish but… Somebody did way too good of a job of ‘passing,’ me thinks.)
And, maybe it’s just my imagination, but it’s starting to look like the nerve and industry and brains in our family trace back to the ancestors that happen to be the hardest to trace and have hints of native-american or other non-Anglo ethnicity around them. 😎
I could say the same thing in different ways,
but well, I just have to say “ditto” all of the above.
LOL Bill,
I do believe that is the first time I have ever seen you simply say “Ditto”. I love it and you just made my day.
Hello,
I also have a Stephen Vaughan in the family. My stephen is the son of Aurthur Vaughan and Mary Parker. Mary is the daughter of my great-great-great-grandfather/mother Henry and Mahaby Parker. Stephen is listed with Henry and Haley(Mahaby) on the 1880 US Federal Census as their grandson but I can’t make out his age. They were living in Fishing Creek in Granville County, NC.
Originally posted by ADillard
Hello,
I also have a Stephen Vaughan in the family. My stephen is the son of Aurthur Vaughan and Mary Parker. Mary is the daughter of my great-great-great-grandfather/mother Henry and Mahaby Parker. Stephen is listed with Henry and Haley(Mahaby) on the 1880 US Federal Census as their grandson but I can’t make out his age. They were living in Fishing Creek in Granville County, NC.
Hi,
the Stephen you’re looking at came later, as mine died in 1832, but they could be related. (Mine had at least one son, Stephen Jr.) And I know i’ve seen the last name Parker on one of my family lines.
Do you have ages for the Parkers, and are they listed as NDN someplace?
Hi,
Henry Parker was born between 1806-1817 and died between 1870-1895
Mahaby Parker was born around 1805
The earliest that I find them is on the 1850 Federal and NC State census living in Fishing Creek in Granville County, NC
They both were listed as being born in North Carolina and they along with their children are listed as Mulattos. Their children are:
Eleanor Parker born between 1829-1830
Elisa”Eliza”Parker born between 1829-1830 (we think eleanor and eliza were twins)
Giles H. Parker b. about May 1835 and died before 1917 married Betsy Pettiford
Susan Parker born Between 1837-1838 married John Mitchell
Burwell Parker born between 1839-1840 married Rhoda Parker
William Parker born between 1842-1855 and died Aug.25th, 1932 married Emma Pettiford
Bonson Parker born between 1843-1844 married Margarett Pettiford
Alfred Parker born in Virginia between 1836 and 1838 and died about 1901 married Malvina”Melvina” Evans
Ann(Annie) Parker born about 1837
Lucy Parker born between 1844 and 1845
Stella Parker born between 1845-1846 married Larkin Smith
Mary Parker born about 1843 married Authur Vaughan
Lousanna(Annie)Parker born between1853 and 1855
Junius Parker(my great-great grandfather) born about Sep. 1857
married Frances Evans
John Bunyan Parker born between 1838 and 1842 married 1st Mary Ann Brandum and then married Clara Parker
Who are your Parkers? We may have a match somewhere down the line. We believe them to be Native American through Mahaby whose name was also spelled Haley, Haly, Halsalar. It is possible that Henry was Indian too. Still researching.
I have a post entitled Parker Family Tree on here check it out. I am looking for Henry Parker’s parents.
Originally posted by ADillard
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Who are your Parkers?
Not on my direct line, just remember seeing the name. Will bring it back here if I run across it again. Sorry. (I’ve GOT to start keeping more organized notes!)
A distant cousin that I have been communicating with for a couple months sent me this information. Can anybody link into to this line or add to it?
Cornelius Vaughan Born.Around 1665 in Spotsylvania co. Died in1750
married Elizabeth foster?
Their son Was
Martin Vaughan Born. 1700 Died before 1781
married Elinor Lea.
their son was
Cornelius vaughan born1743 in culpepper Va.Died Sept 3,1781 While fighting in American Rev.
married mary or ann Vaughan
their son was
Daniel Tarlton Vaughan Born 1769 Culpepper,Va Died between1822-1861 in Pendleton Co. Kentucky
married Margaret Nelson.
Source: “Virginia County Records, Vol. 1, Spotsylvania County” by Wm. A. Crozier, citing various Wills, Deeds.
pg. 33. “VAUGHAN, Elizabeth, Spotsylvania Co. d. Nov. 14, 1775, Executors Bond dated Nov. 19, 1778. Wit: Nathan HAWKINS, Edward LEAVELL. Ex. William PEMBERTON. Leg. my four children which are now alive, and my son Martin VAUGHAN’s four children, his part to be equally divided amongst them, Cornelius VAUGHAN, Bridget BROADAS, Elizabeth PEMBERTON, Margaret GETER.”
pg. 142. “Dec 6, 1736. John FOSTER of St.Geo.Par., Spts Co., to Cornelius VAUGHAN and Martin VAUGHAN (the two youngest sons of Cornelius VAUGHAN, late Dec’d) of Drysdale Par., King and Queen Co. L-25 curr. pd. FOSTER by sd. VAUGHAN, dec’d. sd. FOSTER deeds 465 a. in ST. Geo. Par., Spts Co., part of pat. granted sd. FOSTER, Oct. 19, 1736. Wit. Anthony FOSTER, John CHAPMAN, Ignatius TUREMAN. Dec 7, 1736.”
(my note: This may be why it is suspected that Cornelius Vaughan Sr.’s wife Elizabeth was a Foster. The way I interpret this, is that the L-25 curr. was paid to John Foster by Cornelius Vaughan SR., and then John Foster deeds this land to Cornelius (jr) and Martin Vaughan.)
(my note: Anthony Foster is John Foster’s father. Anthony is an ancestor and his children are related to the COLLINS, LEWIS, SPARKS, WALLER, GATEWOOD people who are also ancestors.
The Gatewoods lived next door to the lands of Alexander Spotswood. The Lewis line were Indian Traders. Waller was a Long Hunter and Trader. These COLLINS are descended from a Thomas Collins of Orange & Spots. Co.s., a suspected son of Old Thomas. It is a very tangled web.)
pg. 182. “June 5, 1750. Cornelius VAUGHAN of Caroline Co., and Frances, his wife, to William DARNABY of Spts. Co. L-40 curr. 247 a. in St. George Par., Spts. Co. Wit. Jno. BATTALEY, W. MILLER. June 5, 1750.”
pg. 219. “April 6, 1761. Martin VAUGHAN of Caroline Co., and Elinor, his wife, to John BULLOCK of Spts. Co. L-35 curr. 233 a. in Spts. Co., part of a tract purchased by Cornelius VAUGHAN, Dec’d., of John FOSTER, and by the sd. FOSTER conveyed to Cornelius and the sd. Martin VAUGHAN, sons of Cornelius VAUGHAN, Dec’d., as by Deed, June 5, 1750. Wit. Edwd. Herndon, John HOLLODAY, Rice GRAVES. April 6, 1761.”
pg. 444. “Augt. 1, 1791. Thomas x VAUN (VAUGHAN) and Sarah, his wife, of Halifax Co. to Patrick DONALLY (DONNELLY) of Spots. Co. Whereas, by Ind. dated Novr. 4, 1744, Bromfield LONG conveyed to his son, Reubin LONG, in fee simple, 118 1/2 a. in Spots. Co., which sd. tract of land was afterwards conveyed by the sd. Broomfield LONG to his daughters Mary (the lower dividend) and Sarah (the upper dividend), now in consideration of the sum of L-25 (curr) the sd. Thomas VAUN (who intermarried with the sd. Sarah, daughter of the sd. Broomfield LONG) and Sarah, his wife, convey to the sd. DONALLY, the sd. tract of land in Spots. Co. afsd., given the sd. Sarah by her father, the sd. Broomfield LONG, etc, etc. Witnesses, Jno. FRAZER, Wm. HESLOP, Reuben STRAUGHAN. Augt. 4, 1791.”
Bill replied:
my note: Anthony Foster is John Foster’s father. Anthony is an ancestor and his children are related to the COLLINS, LEWIS, SPARKS, WALLER, GATEWOOD people who are also ancestors.
The Gatewoods lived next door to the lands of Alexander Spotswood. The Lewis line were Indian Traders. Waller was a Long Hunter and Trader. These COLLINS are descended from a Thomas Collins of Orange & Spots. Co.s., a suspected son of Old Thomas. It is a very tangled web.)
Bill, Waitman Vaughn is connected to my Meredith Collins through his son Archibald Collins brother to my John W. Collins. On further down your post is mentioned HOLLODAY……I have also seen folks mix up Holloday and Holloway. Meredith second relationship was with Mary “Polly” Holloway b. abt 1765-70. I have never found anything on her.
I invited my cousin, Waitman Vaughn to join us here on the forum. I hope he takes me up on it.
Brenda
Originally posted by Bill Childs
I’m also not convinced that there is more than one Wimberley/ Wimberly/ Wimbly line in NC at this time, because there is a John Wimberley who d.1742 (Will) in Bertie Co., next door to Edgecomb and there don’t appear to be anyothers around…
Benjamin and John Wimberly both have a FPC in their household in 1810 Bertie Co NC census.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Circumstancial:
The 1760s Wimberly marriages were in Edgecomb Co which is where Stephen Vaughan/Vaughn is alledged to have lived before moving to Wake Co near APEX, NC, and dying in 1832.
Apex is where one family history has Zachariah’s home as being. The longtime research says it’s west of Raleigh, and Apex is. (It was also in pine forest, at the highest point, when the railroad went thru, between someplace in VA and Florida, which seems significant somehow. My people seem to head for the hills and into the woodlands whereever they’re found.)
Originally posted by Bill Childs
I could not find anyone in Wake Co in 1850 who may have been these 1830 FPCs, but Zach’s son Lewis appears to be the Lewis Wimberly in 1850 Henry Co., Tenn, so maybe they went to Tenn also – but I don’t know that for a fact.
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Bill
Ho, ho! Aha! My mother heard that the family hauled some stone all he way from Henry Co. to make the wall around their house in Texas. (I’ve got no clue Why they’d do that.) But there are a lot of Henry Counties. Coincidental that Lewis’ Zach is in Henry Co? Don’t know what it means but it seems like another clue.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
I know Umberton Gregory’s line – it includes VAUGHAN, GREEN, WEST from Mecklenburg, Spotsylvania, King William, Prince George counties, Va and Washington & Mercer Co (where his parents were married), Ky as well as Smith & Sumner counties, TENN, before some of them went to Missouri. Umberton Gregory marr’d his first wife in Sumner Co., Tenn; moved to Clark Co., Mo. with a couple of his brothers, was marr’d 3 times, had about 21 kids and died in 1864 in Fayette Co., TEXAS where David G. Gregory lived. I even have census abstracts for them.
What relationship to David G. (was his middle name Gabriel??) Gregory is Umberton?
Bill
this was a really important post. I have other Vaughans from NC, and so far all my seemingly unrelated lines seem to connect if I go far enough back, north, right around Mecklenburg VA, and northern NC (with some side-routes to TN, GA, through MS, some in SC, all my direct lines going west and ending up eventually in TX, dropping cousins along the way.)
And Umbelton is the ONE Gregory relative who is around my David G. They travel together, at least from MO to TX and possibly starting out back in TN from whence David G is said to originate.
The fact that he is documented Before Tx and even before MO is a trail worth following. And none of us have any idea what relation he was supposed to be to David. Even though he is buried next to David’s first wife, Mary. (All anyone has on her from before her arrival with David in Texas, is name, and dob, birthplace.) We haven’t been able to find where David is buried. He’s not, as has been reported, buried in the cemetery with his first family.
Whatever you know about Umbelton’s line and his travels would be great and highly valueable to us David G. descendents!
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Ps. Where did you find the info on Rachel Ross and Robert Gregory married in TN? I’ll I’ve been able to find about them was that she married a David Girdner in TN, who died about 1808? and she later is said to have married a John Cook. David Girdner has a will that mentions Robert Gregory owing the family money. One of them owned the plantation that the other lived on but I didn’t understand who was owner and who tenant.
The Robert Gregory/Rachael Ross marriage was in Greene Co., Tenn, which is next door to Hawkins Co.
This data was listed in Genealogy.com’s Genealogy Library section of Tenn Marriage Records.
P.S….
The “Gabriel” question was based on Umbleton/Umberton Gregory having a brother or uncle by that name so it would be a logical question since at the time I asked, I don’t believe you had said whether or not you knew what the middle initial “G” stood for.
Bill
So there marriage must be listed on some official Greene Co marriage record? That will of David Girdner’s I found did show that they knew each other about the right date.
Nope, we haven’t even been able to figure David’s middle name. There is an early Gregory ancestor named Gerard (or a variation) whose name seems to have been passed down to lots of descendants, so I’d assumed that was probably it — but it could be Gabriel. David doesn’t pass down any G names that I recall. (Could even be Girdner, from Rachel Ross’ first husband, I suppose.)
Your info shows that Umbleton was born in KY, and he lives for a while in TN, where one of his marriages took place then moved with brothers to MO? Do you have a general date for the move to MO? It would make sense that David G who was said to have gone to MO around 1830 would have gone with someone, as he’d have been only around 21, newly married and with a new baby (Robert.)
Any idea if Umbelton is connected to the Robert in TN?
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Still seems quite curious to me that, as you mentioned, there was a Mary and Charles Fant nearby in MO and neighbors to a Gregory, while David was there — and that there is even less info available on our Mary Fant than on David. Makes me want to know if those Fants had any kids of the right age — or even how old Charles’ wife was.
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