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Vance,
Oh absolutely! All that they went through and it didn’t stop em’. That’s really cool. I wanted to say something here, but the words are stuck in my pea brain. Ah yes, the “Wild Indian ” term. I just get poo-ey when it comes to labels! Does anyone else? I think “traditional ways” verses something like “Modern” or something. I just never liked the way the older (Way older) like Cival war erra up to 1900’s people referred to Native Americans in most anything I’ve read. BUT WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING ARROWS, RIGHT?:D I have sworn to behave and not stray too far off track anywhere. So feel free to remind me to stick to my word on that!;) Love & Light, Lynella.
ALL THE ARROWS ARE POINTING INWARD TOWARD THE CIRCLE, TO ME THIS IS SIGNIFICANT (PURPOSEFUL AND VERY MEANINGFUL).
THEORY #1 – THEY WOULD GATHER AROUND AND THE INNER CIRCLE WOULD COMPROMISE THE MOST IMPORTANT MEMBERS.
THEORY #2 – THEY USED ARROWS TO SIGNIFY AS A PEOPLE WHO THEY ARE IN KEEPING WITH TRADITION AND (3) REPRESENTS…BIRTH, LIFE AND, DEATH. ALSO, (6) COULD MEAN ALL THE TRIBES IN THE AREA LIKE OCCONEECHEE, SAPONI, CATAWBA, TUTELO, ENO, BLACKFOOT.
ANY THOUGHTS????
-FELICIA
I was thinking that the “Three Arrows” was the recognition symbol agreed upon between the colonial govt and the Occaneechee, Saponi & Tutelo group at about the time when the latter group lived on the Three Islands. Maybe it was later at Christanna. It’s somewhere on the forum.
Felicia:
I am confused. Are you suggesting using three arrows pointing inwards as the design?
Techteach
Felicia,
I like your theories.:) Thank you for speaking up. I think this is very important and should be specifically representative of everything we stand for, including and most importantly our ancestors and our children.
Bill,
Thank you for taking the time to throw in that info. We need to hear from as many as possible. I feel it is important to achieving a community goal. I’ll have to look into this more deeply. I appreciate this a whole bunch!
Techteach,
Clarification is always a good idea. I would like to get deeper insight into what Felicia is pointing out here. It is so necessary.:)
So, Felicia, when you have a chance please tell us more. We’ve been waiting a while on this for a lot of input. Waiting a little longer will be worth it!;) Love & Light, Lynella.
Bill,
I looked that up, THANK YOU!;) It is very interesting. That was something I didn’t know. And it is a good idea. Although, If this was something the General Assembly of Virginia issued and given that the NDN’s were told, if they weren’t tatooed with this insignia they would be shot. Is something that was shoved down our throats really going to signify what this is all about? I don’t know, just a question I had to ask. I still like the whole Three Arrows idea. Thank you for this information, it’s important. And gives us another thing to think about with this project.:) Love & Light, Lynella.
I had noticed that all of the arrows are pointing towards the center and, that they are in sections/rows. This has to mean something. I thought that perhaps this was patterned according to place in tribe (chief…medicine…etc) from the center which represents perhaps the great spirit and that we are all outside of this circle of life (picture a campfire here) and the people that sit/stand/dance the closest to this hold the important positions and then, everyone would be on the outer circle.
Hope this helps.
Love to All,
-Felicia
Felicia:
I am sorry to be so dense, but what are you looking at? What picture are you describing that has the arrows pointing toward the middle? Are you referring to the gorget picture that Linda posted on the first page of this discussion?
I do like your idea for the design. I would go on to say that I believe that the colors ought to be red, black and white, signifiying the ethnicity of the members of this forum.
Cindy
Felicia and Techteach,
Thank you for coming back in on this Felicia. I too, was wondering what picture you’ve seen and was about to re-check on everything to see what I missed. So, thank you Cindy for adding that too. You know I can be as dense as a four corner post!;) I am very up on the Arrows, have been since the beginning, I just want to make sure we present them in a respectful, authoritative and enlightening manner. Linda’s original color ideas I think were red, white and royal blue which, like your Red, Black and White sound fine to me. I think finally choosing the colors will be the easy part. Linda wanted to use the colors more originally Siouan, I believe. And Tom’s idea of the wampum colors and copper, I love also. So, 🙂 what colors would you like to see Felicia? I’ll go with what ever everyone else desides on. I’m easy:o well:o that’s not to say I’m “easy!”:o I definately want to think more about the design I would like for Tom and Linda to pipe up again, see if they have any changes they’ve thought of. Of course I respect everyone’s take on this. I also still think Linda does such beautiful beadwork, she would be perfect for this. I know she is very busy though and understand that completely. Well, I’ve babbled enough spew for now!:) Love & Light, Lynella.
Yes, I was talking about the picture that Linda showed of the whirlwind pattern (her beautiful work) and the other black & white photo. This photo of the old design is what I was referring too. I looked at it then, I really started looking and thinking about what it means and, that’s when I noticed the arrows which are pointing towards the center and, how they appear to me as if they are in an hierarchy.
-What do you think?
P.S. – Hope this description helps out more, sorry for confusion.
-Love, Felicia
Felicia:
That’s what I thought you were referring to. That is what I based my remarks on, that I like your ideas. Are you artistic? Do you want to sketch out your concept?
Techteach
Felicia,
Ooh, yes, do you want to?:) I think that would be a great idea. A visual aid, yeah, I like it Techteach!;) Lynella.
Drawing design should be cool for me but, don’t expect too much 😀 . I also like to paint too when the feeling hits me. Linda and I do not live that far away so, I could sketch and she could scan it for us. If we like then, perhaps she’ll bead. She is the sewing lady not I, you should see her go 😀 . If I have a picture of this perhaps I could paint it also.
Thanks for the vote of confidence ladies (I’ll DEFINITELY put you into my prayers tonight 😀 😀 )!!!!!
Lots of Love, Felicia
Felicia,
😉 That would be great if you could do that, and if Linda could! That would be awsome!:) Love & Light, Lynella.
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