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Sandy,
I should have read this before asking you for additional info 🙂
Lots of lights went off. Thanks.
I would be interested in how much further back you have these lines developed?
Bill
Forgive me Sandy for not thanking you properly. I am a little dishearted, and shocked.
I also realize that I have so much to learn.
Sherry
Hi:
I like your research. I have been doing this for nearly 20 years and have very few of the pieces together correctly. Many of these people didn’t leave a paper trail! It is very hard to sort it out. Please, lets work together on this one!
I only know about Edmon Day because I am in contact with his granddaughter. She has been able to varify most of the information that I have gathered.
You are correct. She too has stated that Mourning Napier was Native American. She taked about her “flashing” black eyes.
I am very interested in your information about Mourning being a Ledford……….
Thanks,
Sandy
Mourning, seems to have been a Napier. What granddaughter would you be in contact with?
I think that “we” have to look at these stories as something that over time evolved into what they are today.
I have found that every thing you hear has “some” element of truth to it.
I am trying to look on the bright side…my DNA test should tell me whether or not we are barking up the wrong tree with this one.
Sherry
Yes, I have found that all family stories have some element of truth in them. In my case, I can only add, that the digrection from that starting point, depended upon which side of the family the story came from 🙂 therefore, I’m a little ‘gun-shy’.
“Knowledge is only gained through experience” (?) to which I would add…. not always, but it sure helps alot!! 🙂
Bill
Sheree and Bill:
I agree with both if your regarding the family stories……….so, let me tell you one!
I began this research many years ago because I was curious about my grandfather’s brother, Leonard a.k.a. Tip Day. No knew or at least no one talked about what happened to Tip.
Tip was involved in the Turner-Howard Fued in Harlan County as well as the Howard-White Fued in Clay County. Tip and my grandfather, though both were young, were good friends of Wils Howard (who decends from Chief Red Bird).
Beaty Day left Harlan County and settled in Menifee County for a while. Most people will tell you that he left Harlan because of Tip’s involvement in the fued. I believe that the fued played a small part in his leaving…..he was a timber man. There was virgin timber in the Red River Gorge near where Beaty lived in Menifee.
While in Menifee, Tip shot and killed a Deputy US Marshall……… Howard Wilson. Tip was shot 5 times and was not expected to live. Tip was by profession a “Moonshiner”. So, was the Marshall attempting to arrest him for moonshining or to be extradited to Lee County, Va. for his involvement in a bank robbery in Rose Hill?
Tip did recover from his wounds. He was taken to jail in Frenchburg, the county seat of Menifee. Tip broke out of jail. Some say that he went out through the roof, others say that he sawed the bars into and got out through a window, another person said that a group of men road out of the hills and took him out of jail. How he got out I don’t know. I do know that two of his good friends from Harlan County were staying in the local hotel.
After breaking out of jail Tip was taken care of by several different families in Menifee County and the widow of his half brother Aley Day. They moved him around from place to place. Peole were willing to help him because he had helped many people during an epidemic. The “law” never caught him.
At some point during the time that Tip was being hunted he and a cousin, Millard Ledford, were making moonshine. Tip’s gun “accidently” discharged and Millard was killed. It appears as though it became necessary for Tip to leave the countycountry. Some people say that he rode a log floe through the Red River Gorge. Others say that he was taken to meet a train by grandfather and his first wife.
Tip may have gone back to Harlan briefly. A cousin had traveled extensively “out west” do to his involvement in the fued and may have given him cash to travel on in exchange for his gun. I do know that the man that Green Day helped made it to where he was going.
The next time that anyone heard about Tip Day was in OK. Broken Arrow to be specific. Some people from Menifee saw him and may have talked to him. There was a train accident in Broken Arrow. A body was identified by a Dr. Jonathen Wynn as that of Tip Day……………………………….Jonathen Wynn was my grandmother’s uncle. So was a local “bad” guy put to rest?
The time frame of all of this was 1890- 1902. At that point OK was still part of the “Nations”. A person could gain entry if they were granted a permit (which wasn’t granted to people wanted for killing a US Marshall) or by being part Native American.
By the way, when I was a little girl I always watched the Today show before going to school. One morning both my mother and I saw “Papaw” on the show. ..my granfather was never on TV but there was a man who had gotten very rich in the oil business in OK who looked just like my grandfather.
Sheree, I also grew up in the Daniel Boone National Forest.
Sandy
P.S. Hey guys, I am a non speller. Forgive the mistakes!
Hello Koreana!!
If you have something to add or take away from we would love to hear it.
I still have your emial address in Outlook. So tell me, what is it that you have heard abou the Days and Ledfords?
Sherry
Nancy,
I was re-reading one of your posts and it reminded me of an article that I read about Intruders on Indian lands.
NARA supposedly has a lot of documentation about Intruders on Indian lands. It may be worth looking into.
Sherry
howdy Sandy —
What part of Indian Territory were your people in?
One of mine was here in 1828 (Gist/Guess/Guest — a g-g-g-grandpa), others — cousins to my direct line — came here in 1832 (Wayland’s), and my direct line came here to stay in 1872 (Richey/Brown), from Arkansas.
You said Wils Howard descends from “Reb Bird”. Where is that cited/documented? I am curious. I have been seeking for documentation/proof of this since I first heard of it and I never have found anything.
Do you know of any Day’s in Southrn Indiana?
There was a Laban Day who married a Wood/Woods girl in Gibson Co., Indiana. Bill showed me and I have since found out more about them. Those Woods in S Indiana descended from Jopseph Woods. Two of his sons were James and John. I’m descended from John and the wife of Laban Day was descended from James. James married Nancy Dickson and John Married Polly Dickson — so their children were double cousins, cousins on both sides. I have also found a Slaven in Gibson Co., In. — I wonder if they were in S Ky before S In.?
vance
Hi Sherry,
I descend from Euell Day Sr b1924 Harlan, Ky d1985 s/o Euell H Day b1904 d1923 and Nancy Helton b1909 d1977 d/o Harmon Helton and Lydia Ann Burkhart.
My grandmother Lucy May Farmer b1916 Harlan, Ky d1991 d/o
James F. Farmer b1874 d1924 and Dora Lyttle b1885 d1980
That is my paternal line-up.
On my mother’s side (Magdalene Baker b1955) d/o Reuben Baker b1931 d1981 s/o Tommy Baker b1896 d1962 and Magdalene Sizemore b1899 d1984. My gm Ola Roberts b1934 is d/o Charlie Roberts b1897 d1970 and Avis Napier b1903 d1970.
I have extensive info on all families. Anyrthing you need to know I might be able to help with?
I actually have my line to show that I am the 11th ggd of Matoaka aka Pocahontas and that Princess Aracroma d/o Cheif Keigh Taugh Quah aka Cornstalk is the wife of my 5th greatuncle Bolling Baker.
Facts about this person:
Burial
WASH SMITH CEMETERY, CRANKS CREEK, HARLAN COUNTY, KENTUCKY
Record Change May 05, 2002
Name: William Elias Ledford , Sr.
Sex: M
ALIA: Aley /Ledford/
Birth: 30 APR 1789 in Ashboro, Randolph County, North Carolina
Death: 24 APR 1873 in Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky of Consumption
Event: Fact – 5 25 APR 1843 He purchased property on Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 6 21 DEC 1843 He purchased property on Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 7 29 SEP 1844 He purchased property on Cranks Creek and Crumies Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 8 7 NOV 1844 He purchased property on Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 12 24 DEC 1849 He purchased property on Days Branch, Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Occupation: Farmer
Event: 1850 U.S. Census 14 AUG 1850 District 1, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: 1860 U.S. Census 10 AUG 1860 Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 1 7 AUG 1818 He purchased property on Cumberland River, Knox County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 2 7 APR 1823 He purchased property on Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 3 11 OCT 1831 He purchased property on Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 4 12 OCT 1831 He purchased property on Days Branch, Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 9 7 DEC 1844 He purchased property on Days Branch, Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 10 7 DEC 1844 He purchased property on Days Branch, Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: Fact – 11 12 DEC 1845 He purchased property on Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Event: 1870 U.S. Census Not found
Burial: Cranks Creek, Harlan County, Kentucky
Father: John Ledford b: ABT 1752 in Rowan County, North Carolina
Mother: Elizabeth Bryant
info on father of Beatty Day.:)
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