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HI bill can you check this out for me?
http://www.lost-colony.com/disappearing.html
while hunting more info I found this . hit me like a brick. one of the things I hunt for is names of things that might give hint to folks names or something.
so try this ? look closely at the name of the watershed where known croatoans lived. can we find out where this name came from? if it is possible that this is the missing link well maybe I should get the lost colony folks some of Jacks DNA just in case they are from that group .
PS cherokee perkins use Perky could that point too. PerQui man renee
NAELADY,
This could be a line of research to pursue.
At the risk of sounding “preachy”, I’d recommend you exercise caution about taking this guy’s word for it, tho.
For example…..
Saying that a Massachusettes Indian, transported to NC in 1693, is a link to the 1587 Lost Colony of NC or to the Croatan, without any connecting proof, could be a stretch…. however, I’m not one to say it is not so, I’m only saying that this researcher hasn’t proven it to my satisifaction – maybe the researcher just neglected to mention who they married after they got there… but, yes, records are few and far between….
In the same “proceed with caution” category regarding the KEETONs as Headrights, only Mary Keeton is identified specifically as an Indian on those records (“NC Headrights 1663-1744”), not the rest of the Keetons – and there is NO mention of where they were “from” on those abstracts so maybe the researcher was just “filling in the blanks”…. a dangerous practice without corraborating evidence…. even tho people of that surname are adequately identified as Indian a hundred and 30-some-odd-years later.
(the original record could contain more information than mentioned in the abstracts, but because other abstracts in this book contain origin info but this one does not, I’d be careful about just accepting this verbatim). Another document referring to the same Headright listing for the Keetons, shows Mary Keeton as “freed” as a result of her entering NC. The researcher’s assertion doesn’t square with the record.
None of this contradicts the fact that there were specific Indian people in this area by those names, just that this researcher uses too many assumptions and fudges his assertions as facts.
I’m sceptical.
Bill
NAELADY,
according to the website,
http://www.albermarle-nc.com/hertford/
“Perquimans” , as in Perquimans County, river, etc., means ” ‘Land of Beautiful Women’ named by its earliest inhabitants, the Yeopim Indians.”
Bill
” Weapemeoc Native American Genealogy
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Weapemeoc. An Algonquian (?) tribe met by Raleigh’s colonists in 1584-89, occupying the territory north of Albemarle Island, N. C., including probably most of what is now Currituck, Camden, Pasquotank, and Perquimans counties. Their chief town, of the same name, seems to have been in Pasquotank county. Other towns apparently in the same jurisdiction were Pasquenock (Pasquotank?), Chepanoc, and Mascoming. They were said then to have 700 or 800 (warriors), under their
chief Okisco. A century later the same territory was occupied by the Yeopim or Jaupim (Weapon-oc?), Pasquotank, Perquiman, and Poteskeet. In 1662 the Yeopim chief sold lands. In 1701, according to Lawson, the other bands still counted 40 warriors, but of the Yeopim only one man survived.”
so it looks like it was a algonquin tribe in same area as the yeomin. and had 40 warriors in 1701. so it looks like 40 warriors of these perquimans clan/tribe algonquins exsisted in 1701. that is pretty interesting .
still think it is odd that this place name /clan/ tribe is very simular sounding to their name perky/perkins. and it says in another site that all of the algonquin clans in the area went down to the Mattamuskeet lake in later years .
No I didn’t think that perkins was part of the lost colony . but just that this place called Perquiman was part of the whole equation . the DNA was maybe to help them establish more the native male blood lines in the area . or possibly show he has british DNA in the area .
jack’s brother Tom has to have some connection to that LOng TOM mentioned in the Lake area latter . Tom is 6’5 Ithink and skinny .
🙂 Hey! I’ve been following you guys on this and it has been very interesting. So I just wanted to say thank you!:) Love & Light, Lynella.
howdy guys well I DON”T believe anytribe or people is or will ever Be lost. everyone is here someplace. so it is a matter of figuring out just who went where.
had another thought , actually a name triggered some thing.
ok these algonquin on the piedmont went someplace right? and they are related to or were somewhat related to the Mohawk right?
did these groups go to canada or ohio /PA ? Jacks family has tales of gong north like into ohio or more north before going west they got to texas pre civil war , verified by a Perkins/ zachary/skinner cousins who did large amounts of research on his family, skinner was probably OHio cherokee probably the long long hair clan, my ggrandpa was a ohio skinner ) could all of these events somehow be related to each other? could they have actually been the motivating reason and whom they went with was each other ? most of them seem to be allied on the peidmont by 1700’s or so. just some thoughts . some that stayed are probably part of the lumbee, jacks family went to the cherokee/creek or choctaw , I haven’t figured that out yet. I figure they might just be following brant/bryant/ maybe even is brent is another spelling of the same name . and would explain alot if it was true. renee perkins
Thought I would list my families surnames.
Mothers side: Waid,Whitman,Holley,Harlow,Larkins,Perkins,Parkins,Rodgers,White,Beard.
Fathers side: Vaughan,George,Robertson,Frazee,Collins,Dean,Ellison,Nelson,Naylor/Niler,Helmick,Fleisher,and Coots.
quickly MY my dean was a white DR. they lived in TX-OK Lamar and red river areas, he married a indian I was told these things by cousins and haven’ t done too much research. grandma deans name is Paulina ( plyny) Melvina ( melviney. viney )clyney barker Starr Dean. born in Ms . would have registered as MCR if she wouldn’t have BURNED the papers.
I am MO collins
john
David Aaron David Aaron David 1850 Grummet MO 2nd daughter with Nancy Zerilda Hopkins, Jemima married robert ross ( cherokee and a few more tribes ) died in AR.both around 1900. kids orpahned and lived with David and second wife Jane collins .
quick notes of some of the other names
1 shoeboots had grandson names Larkin b or D Parrot in TN? could this have something to do with your larkin ?was it supposed to be cherokee?
2long shot , but sense natives change their names alot because they manage to get into trouble well . robert’s brother john had daughter who had WADE kids in jackson co AR?.
3robert’s sister had child jane white in IN during civil war.
4 can you tell me about the native Nelson family legends ? I think they are related to some one in my family somehow. and you might want to check out the shawnee records for a man named Black Beard for your Beard research.
on the Coots you might want to check out I think it is Cooter a name my Dean family married into I think. might be rooted in coodie/coody/goodie etc renee
Waitman,
Did Archibald Collins marry Margaret COOTS or was it COATS? I have seen it both ways but never really researched further. Any history on her?
Brenda
Naelady, I’ll have to get back with you on these names. Most are from west virginia/virginia. A few fro kentucky. But, they did spread out so could be that we tie in together. Well get back with you on these names.
Brenda, So far I have found the name coots. I was thinking it might be coats but haven’t seen it that way yet. I plan on searching more indepth on Archibald collins in the near future. Especially since he lived not to far from where I live. May find some good info on him. I went to the Courthouse today. I found the marriage record for mary cook and james Spencer. It is in marriage book #1-a page 140, The place was crawling with people doing family research so wasn’t able to find much else. Well go back when it isen’t so crowded. I plan on going to the historical society this week where I can get better information and not be so crowded.
Linda, What is the proper way of pronouncing Tutelo? I have been reading about the Tutelo and think that maybe they are the tribe that my people come from. Is it pronounced something like tuckahoe? I know that the white man has a way of butchering Native words. Sorry it has taken me so long to send you a reply. Have been feeling guilty for not responding to your post. My vaughan family goes back to the 1600’s in Virginia. They have lived in Culpper ,Spotsyvania I know isn’t spelled right, also Amhurst county, etc. The only time my Vaughan’s lived outside west virginia/virginia was when Daniel Tarlton Vaughan moved to Pendleton co. Kentucky. His son Tarlton Vaughan moved back to west virginia and we have been here ever since. Just Something about these mountains we can’t seem to leave.
Good Day Dreaming Hawk
I am Roberta Dickerson (Little Dove) and am looking for my grandfather who was Marion A Dickerson and my search has led me to you.
I was always told we were Blackfeet Natives but could not make the connection between Montana Blackfeet and my grandfathers people in Indiana, Virginia and North Carolina until I came across this web site and it all makes some sort of sense now.
Do you have a direction for me to go to find my people?
Marion A Dickerson’s father was William. His mother was Tempa?
Any direction will help…my grandfather has been lost to us all since 1915 and he haunts my dreams asking me to find him
Little Dove
Naelady said —
Jacks family has tales of gong north like into ohio or more north before going west they got to texas pre civil war , verified by a Perkins/ zachary/skinner cousins who did large amounts of research on his family, skinner was probably OHio cherokee probably the long long hair clan
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A Cherokee chief named “Long Hair” (his clan is not mentioned) was recorded in Ohio when the Greenville Treaty was signed in 1794/1795. An addendum to the treaty mentions this, and it says these Cherokee on the Scioto River in Ohio agreed to go back to their homeland after they’d harvestd and dried their corn crop. So they had all probably returned to their homes in the Cherokee Nation by mid-fall 1795. Simularly, the Shawnee living in the Cherokee Nation went North to live with the Shawnee (and their allies living with the Cherokee did the same) at the same time. The Cherokee to the South signed a similar treaty about the same time ending for ever United States/Cherokee Wars in the East. This is recorded in American State Papers, Indian Affairs, Volume I.
I don’t believe there are any documented Cherokee in Ohio after that date, except perhaps a spouse or individual family that chose to leave the Cherokee Nation.
If you or anyone can find such documentation — I’m researching this, and would appreciate hearing about it.
thanks
Vance
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