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Lentz,
Search the forum for the Anderson name. Not sure what you will find, but worth the try. The button is in the upper right hand corner.
Also post your names and dates in the genealogy section. Bill might have be able look for them.
Techteach
Thanks Teach, I noticed Linda had put the name Anderson up. Also thank-you
for the avitar,it was greatly appreciated Lentz
Anderson is one of the names Richard Haithcock noticed in his research to be connected with Saponi families. I don’t know the details. He’s an Ohio Saponi. I’m trying to get his books available here. We’re working on it.
Try posting what you know to the Share Genealogy section and see what the researchers there can come up with.
Some of those popular western Blackfoot from Alberta are in Washington DC this week at the Smithsonian Folklife Festival. See my new thread posting today, under EVENTS, for a few details.
I am from Edgecombe/Wilson County area of North Carolina and never once have I heard of the Blackfoot ID in my family or any of the other local families (until a Webb said it just recently). We are Tuscarora/Nottoway/white. However my husband’s family who are also indian/white have this ID and they are one of the thousands from Missouri. He told me that it was because they burned their fields and then stomped them out with their feet. They have no real tribal identy it has been completely lost. His mother’s family said Cherokee his father said Blackfoot. His mother’s family traces to the Collins back in Virginia. I have found his paternal great grandfather in Haywood County TN in 1900 otherwise I have not been able to trace these “Blackfoot” ancestors. Supposely they were sharecroppers and moved around alot. Once some time ago one of them mentioned the Big Sandy to me but since then none of them seem to be able to remember this info.
Linda
Oh, dear, a Collins from Missouri, TN and the Big Sandy with the Blackfoot ID. Five points in common with how many others, how is it people can look at this data and snear that there’s nothing in particular going on, that the Blackfoot ID is just something Indian descended people took on randomly? And it’s never come up in your family, with different tribal roots. If it were random it would be cropping up all over the place, but it simply doesn’t. Thanks for sharing this. Actually, your husband’s family hasn’t completely lost its identity. They’ve been saying all along who they are, with more clarity than just about any other upper south NDNs. They just been using what they called themselves instead of what the white people called them.
Linda,
Since I posted that I have learned more about the paternal side of my Husbands family one that claims Blackfoot and they are ironclad about. Like I said I found them in Haywood Cty, Tn then I was able to trace them to Knox Cty Tn. Earlier on in Md at a German settlement called Monoacy in Frederick Cty. Anyway the say they are German/Blackfoot. This was right on the Va line. Several of them married women from VA. I can’t the surnames on these women yet but I’m working on it. But yea his mother comes from that Collins bunch LOL and they came through Illinois so yep these folks came through the Big Sandy. His family is still very much indian. And honestly I never heard Blackfoot from any of our local people in my part of NC. My husband told me Blackfoot and I said but you aren’t from MOntana LOL Then one night out of the blue I put Blackfoot in the web browser and came up with Saponitown I went oh good Lord I married a Sioux LOL But as you know I think I must have one lone Saponi among my family somewhere they are just so mixed in with all the Tuscarora and Nottoway they are hiding LOL But so far everything my grandma said has been true and she said Sioux also, got to be here somewhere. But I have learned something else in this research and that is not to assume just cause she is the one who said it that it is in her family and not my grandfathers she told the whole deal LOL but forgot to mention which one of them it came from. Actually it was both of them but I had to sort out the rest LOL My Mom is so shocked at what I have found she just thought it was just from her Mama. I said to her one day if your Daddy was 100% white please explain this to me what I showed her made her jaw drop she says Linda you’re kidding…I said Mama I’m serious as a heart attack…she goes good Lord Almighty. Her whole life when anyone asked her about being indian she would say yep I’m about 1/4 probably now she doesn’t know what to say let’s just say she is floored. She said to me a while back maybe I need one of those DNA tests to tell just how much indian I am. I laughed and said you think you need it what about your kids? LOL
Linda
I wonder if we really ought to do some research beyond what was done a few years ago, counting the percentage of people who have Blackfoot ID. In qualitative research, you amass as much information as possible and then look for themes. Seems to me that a database of people with the ID should be collected, with their information, such as they know it. For example, my Blackfoot ID is McLane. She came from near Pittsburgh, born in the early 1800s, and moved to IA. She marries people who come from Licking County, OH, via Sheperdstown, WVA.
Deb’s information would be the same, except her Blackfoot ID name is McLennon. Neither of us can carry the name beyond these women with the ID.
Collect this kind of information and look for patterns of such things as origin, movement, names, etc. This is what is done in qualitative research. Conclusions can be drawn from the patterns of the responses. For example, Linda, has somewhat similar movement lines, Tom’s folks spent some time in IA, etc.
I am not volunteering though. Too busy.
Techteach
Hey there, just a short note to touch on theses topics.
Our family lines do go through Ia, back to Ws and Indiana and down into Tn and probably both of the Carolinas and VA.
We have the Blackfoot ID, we have Indian looking people in our family, we have designs on clothing decorative art traditions, and finally a dna test was recently done, all add up to Indian, and in this case proves out our oral history, what more do people want us to do to prove who we are.!?
It is not who you are, Tom. It is trying to find out who the folks with the Blackfoot ID were. What was the origin of the ID? Are there seminal surnames? Where did they originate from? Do they really tie into Blackfoot Town and Blackfoot Cemetery (BTW, I followed one family line from Blackfoot Town, all the way to Blackfoot Cemetery and found on genforum that they had the Blackfoot Indian rumor in their family.) Like Linda says, proving that there is something to all these folks claiming Blackfoot while not being near the western Blackfoot. In qualitative research, you find out themes based upon recurring stories. In our case, it might seem that eastern Iowa was one of the Blackfoot locations, because you, Barb, Deb, and I all had people who called themselves Blackfoot in eastern Iowa. And Linda’s folks were only a county and the Mississippi River away.
Techteach
PS: I had the same DNA results as your family.
I’ve been dreaming about the database for years. I tried writing one in Access at one point, but never finished it. It got too complicated since you’d have to let people add in any number of family lines. Somebody who’s already familiar with genealogical databases would need to set us up. That could be a project we tried to raise money for. What if we just tried to pass the hat amongst the forum members? There are about 900 good email addresses in our database. How could we handle it? I wouldn’t want to accept money unless we actually had enough to do the project, since I wouldn’t want to be stuck figuring out how to return it if enough didn’t come in to make it fly. What if we sent out an email asking for pledges?
It would not really have to be a database. Qualitative research takes narratives and dissects them into common themes. There is even software that does this dissection, I believe. Doing this, you would have people “tell” their stories.
Techteach
PS: I have not done this myself.
WEll that’s interesting trying to get this type of qualitative research done.
I really don’t get the non-personal side of things since we carry the ID of Blackfoot, I can only know where it comes from by speaking to the older members of our family, it may not be just about me, but in a way it is and isn’t, we are keeping the history of who we are alive , it’s been passed down , not just in the past few years but by the ancient people that we will never see.
It may not be about me and us but like you say Tech in qualitative research we have to follow these “threads” in order to find the sum of the whole, so it’s parts making up the sum., which still will eventually come back to us.
I’d like to see all other members add thier families migration roots aswell.
Thereis going to be dividing themes in history like the American Civil war etc, I have no idea how this is going to be done, but so far the oldest records that may have been found is either, Sc, or Va-Nc for my family.
I do want to know more and would like to see some type of a model for this research!
I hope this doesn’t sound too naive, but what is the Blackfoot ID? Is it a list similar to the Dawes rolls, etc? I have not been able to positively connect my family anywhere, but I am certain the native roots are there.
Shirley
We just mean by that the tribal name that’s been carried through generations in many southeastern derived families. There’s an article we’ve written at http://www.saponitown.com/Blackfoot.htm that details most of the evidence we’ve found about it. It’s not at all like the Dawes Roll since that is a legal document totally recognized by everybody in the world. Our Blackfoot ID is a mystery to most, dismissed by many, a joke to others, with little academic or legal documentation to substantiate it.
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