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Laurie, is that the old, old cemetery by the old, old Red schoohouse or some such that is also the food-bank? While we were in Roachester, things were not going well and we had two methods of unwinding – to walk over to the old cemetery and walk amongst the stones or to drive out past Clarksville to the lake. For over a month, we didn’t even know how to get to Lebanon – or South Lebanon to shop. Kept taking the wrong turns on the back roads. Did also enjoy the Donut Shop.
Hello Dan…yeppers! That’s precisely the cemetery…the modern day “foodbank” building is the old original schoolhouse that was later used as a church…that property sits on the land that was my paternal family land…my GGGG gpa Whitacre came here via flatboat from VA with a Rev. War land grant for over 4,000 acres and purchased most of what is today Roachester, Salen, Harlan & Turtlecreek Twps…stretching from Todd’s Fork to the outskirts of the county where it greets Clermont. We also are recording the Old Quaker Cemetery further down in Roachester and the Edwardsville Cemetery and the Old Whitacre Farm cemetery…daunting task but exceedingly rewarding. Sorry to ramble….take care now~~~Laurie
If either of the Haithcock authors happen by here, could you please contact me? I want to buy a book next payday, but need some help figuring out which one.
I just happened upon this & it may be of interest to John C. and/or others from the Corn family. It’s Jesse Sr.’s wife’s pension application:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapatric/nancyhancockcornwidowofjessew909.htm
However, it does puzzle me a little. She gives the date of Jesse’s death as “the 5th day of March 1809 in Patrick County state of Virginia”.
If he died in 1809, he can’t be the Jesse on the 1810 tax list. Maybe that is supposed to be Jesse Jr.? Or were there two lines?? Just pondering.
According to the link below, Jesse Jr. seems to have married Elizabeth Burnett the same year (1810) & his brother Samuel married Elizabeth’s sister Permelia. Both these couples moved to Franklin Co., Tenn.
Burnett is another name on the Haithcock’s list (for Pittsylvania CO), but they may or may not be related to these ladies (although I believe I am).
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/etc/comp216.txt
Well, after seeing one of these books in person & finally getting around to contacting the author, we scraped up the dough for the first two volumes.
They are HUGE books! Vol 1 repeats what was in the book I had seen, but has been updated– a lot. Both have pub dates of Feb 2007.
Vol 2 (VA Indian census) is where it’s at. Literally. Contains at least five of my families from Patrick Co, VA (& a few maybes from other counties), as well as my partner’s “brick wall” from NC. Worth every penny to us, even if it may not be 100% proof.
This volume concentrates much on the 1850 census, so there is more info given (lists the whole family, not just a surname or HOH). It’s not all census stuff, but contains some history, photos, etc., too.
I don’t understand DNA well enough to comprehend whether or not the Corn family should be included. But would like to offer that all 6 (and counting) of our own families found in Vol 2 have at least one oral tradition of native heritage. That’s why we were looking for them. ;~)
Hi I’m A Black Female Looking For Any Connection With The Collins Family Line, My Great Grandfather Was Originally From Virginia I’m Not Sure What Part But His Name Was David Or Dave Collins. If Anyone Have Information Please Help Me .
Thanks
Nicole
If no one minds, I would like to address the prices of these aforementioned books. The reason books like these are so pricey is that it takes quite a bit of money to publish a book. Books that are cheaper in price are that way because there is a large market for the books and when the production costs are spread out among many many copies the price comes way down. Because the books have a much narrower focus end market, the production costs are disseminated amongst fewer copies and therefore higher. Lets face it there just aren’t going to be as many people interested in Native American census’ as there would be for a first run best seller.
Thats why text books are higher. Software is another example. Take Microsoft Windows for example; how many copies of that is sold? You still have to pay approx. $89 for an upgrade version. Conversley, a specialized software program such as a MicroStation CAD program may only have 600-1000 purchasers across the US so each copy has to sell for about $12,000 each.
I’m sure the author would love for his books to be priced more reasonable so we all would own a copy of his book. Its just out of his control.
Okay, I will shut up now. 🙂
🙂 I wanted to mention that in Morris Britt’s, ( “Appendix T. List of Lumbee surnames with dates of appearance in the greater Lumbee Settlement (N=523 surnames) 1740-2007.” 107 pages), there are a lot of surnames that are Saponi related. It states in some of the text on the names that, (“White (1988) felt they possibly descended from the Saponi Indians located next to Col. Wiliam Eaton’s plantation in Granville County in the 1750’s. The website is:
http://linux.library.appstate.edu/lumbee/29/BRIT004.htm . Saponi descendants might want to check out this list of names also. It may help in some of your research. Whitehawk.
I should start at the beginning. As I am sure with some, I have always been told that there was Indian blood in our family. It was evident by looking at my great grandmother and my grandfather. They had the typical markers, high cheekbones, dark complexion, tall and dark hair. Granddad didn’t have much facial hair either. I am orginally from Calhoun County, WV. I was born and raised there. I now live in Brunswick County, Va. We’ve been here eight years.
About ten years ago, I began to research my family tree. Luckily with the help of the internet, I found close cousins I didn’t know existed. With those connections, I was able to view photos of the “Indian” side of my family. One picture, was of my ggg grandfather, Thomas Craddock. Our research took us to Patrick County, Virginia. From Ms. Geneva Geach’s research, Thomas’ father and mother were Thomas and Sarah Bryant Craddock. He married his wife, Sarah Harris Craddock in Patrick County. He was listed as a widower. Sarah’s parents were James and Nancy Craddock Harris. According to Mr. Haithcock’s research, Thomas’ father (or relative) was listed as an Occaneechee-Saponi in 1810 Patrick County, Virginia. Thomas was born about 1820. Does anyone have any information on the Patrick County Craddocks? Am I way off the mark and should be looking else where?
Thomas and Sarah moved to Mercer County, West Virginia after they married. Thomas went to fight in the Civil War and Sarah took the children and walked over a 100 miles to Calhoun County, West Virginia, where she had family. This is a family story told by one of the children of Thomas and Sarah. I’ve nothing on them from this time until the Calhoun County, WV census of 1880. They are listed as “Cratic”. He is listed as white. But, from his picture, you can tell he is not. I’ll try to post his photo. He looks like he is indian, but i detect some african american features.
I am new to the Indian ancestry research, have no idea what to do, but to ask questions. But, finding Mr. Haithcock’s research and this forum gave me some hope to finding my true ancestry. I’ve come across the Melungeon research several years ago in my wandering across the internet, and payed no attention. Renewing my researching just recently, brought me back to the melungeons. As I am sure, I am not alone, I’ve many of the “markers” to characterize the melungeon decendants. But, in my short research of these people and the genetics behind it, anyone who has indian ancestry would have the “markers”. Although, I could be wrong in my assumption, but I couldn’t be too far off. By looking through many forums, the melungeon question is a hotly debated one. I certainly don’t mean to start one. I am confused and interested in the topic. I would greatly appreciate some input, advice and some opinions to any or all of my questions.
Hi,
It is possible that your native ancestry comes from tyhe Harris line. This is one associated with the “Goinstown” community on the Rockingham/Stokes county line in NC. Unfortunately, the Harris name is fairly common, both for native and non-native families. Just a possiblility you might want to look at.
On another note, Haithcock’s book is misleading. No one is listed in Patrick County in 1810 as Occaneechi-Saponi in any official record. Or at any other time for that matter. Does that mean that no resident of Patrick county had Saponi ancestry? No, but they are not counted on any official record that way.
Forest,
This brought to mind a question…Do you know the last year, or should I say, what is the gap (in years) for documents identifying Saponi or Occoneechee?
Shirley
Hi Dawn. Good to meet you.
In addition to Harris and Craddock, you might want to take a closer look at your Bryant line. It’s another common name, but some also have VA Algonquian ties.
Occaneechi-Saponi or Other heads of house in Patrick County. Was exciting at first. Trying to verify has not been. Have seen folks listed on Patrick/Henry documents as Indian (no specific tribe), FC (free colored), white, black, or mulatto. Sometimes it will be different from one year to the next. That can be a clue. There are several Harris peeps on the FPC lists for the area. Good luck!
Hi Shirley,
I am not where I can look at my notes atm, but just off the top of my head I would say around 1750, possibly a little later in the SE for individuals, about 1775 for mention of the Saponi as a tribe, and that reference is fairly vague. I’ll try and remember to look for more specifics. There are later references to individuals in the Saponi areas of Brunswick/Greensville and surrounding areas as Indians (Lawrence, Riddle and Tucker families come to mind), but with no tribe specified. Presumably they are Saponi but the tribe is not identified.
Forest
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