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What do you mean “for the cause?” I had two myself and one on a cousin, searching for where the NA came from.
Techteach
techteach wrote: What do you mean “for the cause?” I had two myself and one on a cousin, searching for where the NA came from.
Techteach
For the cause – the personal quest for the NA – which is what you say.
Curious – you had two yourself.
If you have already explained this elsewhere onsite, can you link me to it – and if you have not, why did you have two?
danricecote wrote: Laurie, I know what she is saying – I just don’t know where it applies at this juncture. As I say – I have much to learn here and am beginning to feel overwhelmed and waaaaay under-informed. You know I’ll be back with you on it – I just need to sort things. Dan
Laurie (and others concerned),
Here is the 1900 Magoffin census (KY) for Alexander Rice and family.
All is as I explained on your Lizzie: I can send you the census image if you like.
Name: Alexander Rice Home in 1900: Salyersville, Magoffin, Kentucky Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Birthplace: Kentucky Relationship to head-of-house: Head Spouse’s name: Margrett Race: White Occupation: View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alexander Rice 37 Margrett Rice 38 William Rice 17 Lizzie Rice 15 Roy Rice 13 Rhoda Rice 11 Zellie Rice 9 Clarrie Rice 5 Emmit Rice 2 Julia Rice 2.12 Thank you very much Dan….so MY Elizabeth, aka Lizzie is the one here that was indeed the son of Alexander and later the wife of my Starling Gibson…awesome! I am still a wee bit curious about the Lizzie Perkins that your cousin Kim made mention of…I currently have 11 different Eliza/Elizabeth/Lizzie nee Perkins in my tree so it would be great to sift through the data to determine which may be her ancestor…who knows , we too may be related in some cousindry fashion!? Perhaps I need to pull out my Magoffin/Floyd Co, KY marriage books and see if they give an inkling as to which Liz Perkins MD into her/your Rice line. Thanks again…now I can merge MY Lizzie Rice with her family. Take great care~~~Laurie
Dan,
If you are a male descendent of all males beginning with the NA, take the y-DNA test. If your NA comes from an unbroken line of females for which you are the first male, take the mtDNA test. If your line is mixed, the only thing you can take is the autosomal test that gives you a measure of NA blood, not a test that is readily accepted as reliable. That being said, the only one I could take was the latter one. I also took the mtDNA test, because I thought that my ggrandmother who would not even sit in the same room with my ggrandfather’s NA relatives, was hiding a secret. If she was, this test did not show it. The autosomal test agreed with my ggrandfather’s genealogy, matching the amount of NA blood that I thought would be there, based on who I thought was NA.
I used familytreeDNA, via the National Geographic project for the mtDNA and http://www.genetree.com for the other.
I also paid for a test for an unbroken male in the line that my family says brings in the NA. The original male must have been Irish, as one descendent is known to have said he was Irish and Indian. We found a DNA to match some Irish.
Techteach
TechTeach – thank you – I still feel unsure so, let me lay it out okay?
While, based on what I’ve read onsite – there may be NA down thru my male line … the first of legend married my gggrandfather – and produced my great-gpa and HE mrrd the daughter of my other legend- her mother being the NA – so, in legend, it is the females who brought it in – my gggramma whole and my ggma half …… while my ggpa would carry it from his mother and. That leaves my gma an unknown.
However, there is my mother – who carried NA thru her mom’s mom’s mom … according to legend – of full-blood Cherokee.
How am I doing? Did I just fall thru all the cracks?
Thanks, Dan
BlondeyeLaurie wrote: Thank you very much Dan….so MY Elizabeth, aka Lizzie is the one here that was indeed the son of Alexander and later the wife of my Starling Gibson…awesome! I am still a wee bit curious about the Lizzie Perkins that your cousin Kim made mention of…I currently have 11 different Eliza/Elizabeth/Lizzie nee Perkins in my tree so it would be great to sift through the data to determine which may be her ancestor…who knows , we too may be related in some cousindry fashion!? Perhaps I need to pull out my Magoffin/Floyd Co, KY marriage books and see if they give an inkling as to which Liz Perkins MD into her/your Rice line. Thanks again…now I can merge MY Lizzie Rice with her family. Take great care~~~Laurie
P.S. Dan….was Alexander’s wife Margaret a nee Marshall? TY in advance~~~Laurie
Margaret C. Pace mrrd Alexander Rice. That’s all I know.
Lizzie (Perkins) Rice b. 12/31/1890 – Dec. 31st or Jan 1 often meaning they don’t know the real birthdate. d.7/1968 Ashland, Boyd Co. KY. d/o Wiley Perkins and Sarah Adams. Sarah also mrrd a May Blair and I don’t have which came first. One of those things I thought would never be relevant, know whut I mean?
While you have your Floyd books out – I’m trying to find record of the Martin Van Buren Rice – Nancy Whitaker marriage June 7, 1859. Also in Magoffin, the Basom Rice – Frankie Fletcher marriage Mar 22, 1888.
I have also e-mailed to see if I can get the dod for Frankie.
Dan…I located the MG record for Bascom & Frankie as such:
Bascomb Rice married Frankey Fletcher on 22 March 1883 at the home of Polly Fletcher. Witnesses: Riley Fletcher & Coon Rice by B.M. Holbrook, Minister of the Gospel (source: Magoffin Co, KY Marriages, First Fifty Years, 1860-1910, Volume I, page 33, Published by the Magoffin Co, KY Historical Society, transcribed by Stanley Gardner & Connie Arnett Wireman, published October 1981).
Cya~~~~Laurie
danricecote wrote: P.S. Dan….was Alexander’s wife Margaret a nee Marshall? TY in advance~~~Laurie
Margaret C. Pace mrrd Alexander Rice. That’s all I know.
Lizzie (Perkins) Rice b. 12/31/1890 – Dec. 31st or Jan 1 often meaning they don’t know the real birthdate. d.7/1968 Ashland, Boyd Co. KY. d/o Wiley Perkins and Sarah Adams. Sarah also mrrd a May Blair and I don’t have which came first. One of those things I thought would never be relevant, know whut I mean?
While you have your Floyd books out – I’m trying to find record of the Martin Van Buren Rice – Nancy Whitaker marriage June 7, 1859. Also in Magoffin, the Basom Rice – Frankie Fletcher marriage Mar 22, 1888.
I have also e-mailed to see if I can get the dod for Frankie.
Laurie, Thank you. Here’s the kicker – I went into my site to add this note – and found I already had it in there under both names!! See whut I mean about re-diving into the gene-pool? I think I’m more addled this time around! I’d somehow scored free entry into Ancestry.com and was scanning file after file looking for that darned thing. I must note however that, even though the graveston says ‘Polly’ and most references say ‘Polly’ – I found one census listing her as ‘Mary’.
Thanks again! Sorry to have you duplicate work.
If the original male was not full blood with an unbroken line, you don’t take the x test. It has to be male to male all the way down the line.
If the original female was not straight female to female until you, you don’t take the female one either.
If either of those are correct, you can take these tests. Check out the explanations on the DNA web sites. Maybe they are clearer. Just google DNA.
If your lines are broken, the best you can do is take the autosomal test, like AncestrybyDNA. It gives an estimate of NA blood. Yours sounds broken to me.
Techteach
Okay TechTeach – I believe the legend Native on my mother’s side is direct. This is posted above but to repeat for sure – my gggrandma is Fannie Self Dickenson. My ggrandma, her daughter – is Elizabeth “Betty” Dickenson Gilliam. Her daughter, my grandmother is Bessie Mae Gilliam Conley and my mother was Bettie Susan Conley Rice – so I believe that side can be traced by the mt.
This should probably be moved to another thread but – I wonder how the DNA from my father’s female side will affect the read of my mother’s side?
Thanks for your help TT.
“What was in my head was that I’d just read a couple of days ago that Turkish people have always claimed the Native American came from there … about 1000 years ago … and that some language similarities existed.”
Oh…the whole “Allah Bahma” type thing (or however they put it). Total “straw grasping” non-sense.
Speaking strictly on the language issue…
The Cherokee language derrived from the Iroquoian language, which is said to have been first discovered by French explorer Jacques Cartier in the Quebec area of Canada in 1535 and 1536 where he found Iroquois villages, around a dozen or so. The language was called Laurentian. By Champlain’s arrival in 1608, there were no more villages in Canada, believed by archealogists to have been because of warring with southern Iroquois and the Huron, though no one knows for certain.
So if the language was found in Canada Iroquois (Laurentian) that the Cherokee language is based, then the Turks simply could have not came to the U.S. and their language became the Cherokee language as they profess. Historical documentation shows otherwise.
The Muslim’s IMO have become the new “Al Gore” and profess to have invented the Computer, Astronomy, Alchemy, etc. I wouldn’t say Muslims as a whole, but those “radical believing” Muslims spouting the Kennedy myth and using his so-called work as proof.
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… Oh…the whole “Allah Bahma” type thing (or however they put it).
Steve-o, I don’t care who ya are – that’s funny right there! 😀 Biggest chuckle all week so far! Thanks!
I see your points – altho I’m not yet familiar with “the Kennedy thing” – but I have to take a few days now and pour thru the info onsite before I go off with more questions.
And since I started with the genealogy work, it has brought up so much history … some murky, some quite clear, some lost – that these two words have been in my mind nearly every day – “flux capacitor”.
(Yeah I know it’s a movie – but when I get my Time Machine, we’ll clear a whole bunch of stuff up).
Thanks for your input Steve-o.
Peace
Hey Dan well several comments that I would like to make, first when it come to DNA and technical studies her handle says it all “Techteach”, she’s about the best guide here for that, her and Bill are really amazing, Bill is especially so for the gen. side of things I have never met anyone more credible in the genealogical sciences than Bill.
There’s alot of “hocus pocus” out there re. “melungeon” reseacrh, really the name has been accepted as something other than what it originally was a perjorative! Steve-o is right there is no melungeon “race” just some folks that were given a rough time.
Linda Carter here is our “fearless” leader, Smile Linda) she’s the Lady Of the House” and owns this site, we owe her a great deal.
There’s ome really neat members aswell many stop in from time to time, Pappy Dick and rockhound have some great post’s happening and I reliy on them often to really “bring it on home”.
I know that I cannot include everyone, DoveLady is our resident expert on beadwork and is in your neck of the woods!
I do the material culture thread, it helps with some folks making outfits or looking for info. on the material side of culture.
Anyway oh,, BTW what Steve-o was refering to (I think) is some of the work by Barry Fell, like America BC. etc some of it may have a basis but it’s very much the “Chariots of the Gods” back in the 70’s.
Really odd stuff but still an interesting read, if your “sharp” you’ll catch the fall out!
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