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Hi Techteach,
No, no one in the family has any kind of ID. My maternal grandmother passed away almost 40 yrs ago. Her mother and father passed away when she was 12 and 18 yrs old respectively. She didn’t talk about her family and her brothers rarely came around to visit her and never came back after she died with the exception of her youngest brother. He’s been gone for about 10-15 yrs now. All we know is that they looked “Indian” but they vehemently denied it. I have been in touch with her mother’s nephew for several months now and that’s where I got much of the information that I have on the Hanks family. Although, they didn’t research the female lines of anyone’s family unless they were Hanks, they tried to give at least the wife’s maiden name. In my direct line, there was Beez, Shipley, Wyatt, and Stewart. I’ve seen at least the name Stewart on NA lists. Isabel Stewart was born in NC (Rutherford Co), lived in Indiana, and then went to Texas after the death of her husband (she had at least 2 sons already living there). Oh, by the way, my Hanks line in the US started out in Maryland. I’ve heard that some of the Hanks are suspected Melungeons, but the researchers who have come before me have “played dumb” on the issue.
I also was given an old copy of a document that was put together on my grandmother’s maternal grandmother and her family. There wasn’t much real documentation with it, but I’ve found documentation and gotten all of those lines back to VA in the 17th and early 18th century before they started moving south and then westward during the early 19th century–eventually settling in East Texas. A number of these lines show up on different lists of different NA tribal surnames–Haynes, Phelps, Horn, etc.
The final line (or at least it feels like it) is her paternal grandfather’s side. This is the Beard line. I’ve only been able to prove back to her great-grandfather. And then it’s the “wide open spaces”. This was an “odd” family. I’ve managed to find other descendants and they all say the same thing. “This is an odd family”, “the family stuck together traveling through several states together”, and “they didn’t talk about that in the family”. They all seem to think that there might have been NAs in the family, but they have no proof and they always thought that it came from “the other side of the family”. Although, Beard or one of its variants (Bird, Byrd, or Baird) can be found on numerous lists. Names associated with that side are Robertson, Todd, Hancock, Womack, Knight, and Daniel. (Although some of these are “additional spouses” of my direct ancestors–you know their first spouse died and then they married…I’m grasping at straws, but since they frequently married into the same families as they kept moving, I’m thinking that there was a previous link to the second spouse.) I’m having less luck tracing these lines.
For right now, there’s nothing to ask Bill about. Also, I have previously asked Bill about people who I thought were common ancestors and I got the reply that the names sounded familiar-his lines had gone North while other branches went South. And that was the end of that. No more discussion. I felt that I had been “blown off”. I didn’t even post for a few weeks after that.
But, I will find out something of my heritage one way or another. I sponsored a DNA test for a cousin to see if that can tell me where to search from here. Hopefully, this will be a break-through. Up until now, all that I have are names and suspicions.
storyteller:)
Storyteller,
Sorry you thought I had ‘blown’ you off. If I recall correctly, you had only asked me about TRAYLOR. Without additional information of specific names, and some idea of location and time period, there isn’t any way to research yours or know if they are related.
Bill
Hi Bill,
I don’t know if this is the “proper place” to bring up the Traylors, because I have no idea if they or anyone else were Blackfoot, but I copied part of my previous posting to put here. There’s a little more information on the original message as well as an additional posting from me which you never responded to so I don’t know if you ever saw it.
“Edward TRAYLOR who m. Elizabeth PERKINSON (bef. 1731) who were both from around Dinwiddie Co, VA. I have 3 daughters for them–Mary, Pheobe, & Blanche. I only found one son, William TRAYLOR(my direct ancestor) who was born in Dinwiddie Co. VA. He married Nannie PERKINSON (relationship to his mother unknown).”
I have that William Traylor, my 6th great-grandfather died in 1791 in Wilkes Co, GA. Most of his descendants kept on going until they got to East Texas.
I have names, dates, and places associated with these people. I guess my questions are, “Since you have TRAYLORs in your line, do you know WHO they were?”, “Why did they keep moving?” or “Were they NA or were they the Europeans that stayed one step behind the NAs ready to take their land?”
storyteller
I’ve mislaid my Trayler/Traylor/Traillour folder – probably buried under all the files on my desk – I’ll have to find it before I can give you the specifics on mine but I descend from two related Traylor lines which are related to your William Traylor’s (b.1733 Va, d. Ga) people if you go back another generation to the 1670s.
I think Priscilla “Nannie” Perkinson/Parkinson, b.abt.1733 to 1740 (dau of William, b. Feb 1713 Henrico Co., Va) was the neice of William Traylor’s mother Elizabeth, b. 1672 Dinwiddie Co., Va. Elizabeth is purported to be William Perkinson’s sister but the dates seem to be a little ‘out of range’ and may be incorrect or the relationship is incorrect.
More later.
Bill
I appreciate the help. I noticed that you mentioned another generation back to abt 1670. I haven’t heard about this one.
But, I understand when files pile up and you can’t put your hands on what you want. It’s not an emergency–just whenever you get the chance. Also, I don’t have anything at all about the Perkinson/Parkinson connection, as you can tell.
Thanks again. I appreciated it,
storyteller 🙂
Storyteller,
Try
http://www.genforum.genealogy.com/traylor/messages/667.html
“Nouzon” is in the Ardennes area of France.
and you’ll need to put together the gen-concept of Monakintown (various spellings) and then Matoaca, Chesterfield Co., Va., and follow the line down to the present time but don’t overlook the French Hugengot connection to the Monakan.
Are you from the Southern Indiana Traylor’s?
Bill
Thank you, Bill,
I looked back at my direct ancestors and their siblings, and their siblings. They all seem to start in VA and go south and then west. I have family members associated with the Hanks line that went from VA through KY up into southern IN (during the War of 1812), but the ones that survived went to TX after that via MO and AR.
I was telling someone that I have seen names associated with the Traylors around OH, IL, & IN, but I don’t have any proof that they are related to my ancestors (at least not closely). Intuition doesn’t count in genealogy.
I’ll try the link that you provided.
storyteller
Bill,
Oh, my goodness! I went to the link that you gave last night and it was too much to take in at one time! Yesterday was a very good day for me “genealogy-wise” and I’ll be putting new information into my genealogy program for many days or weeks to come. I usually don’t grasp the scope of what I’m seeing in a genealogy report like that until I sit down and put the data for the individuals into my computer myself.
The “1.1.1.2 WILLIAM TRAYLOR” is my direct ancestor. He is the son of Edward Traylor (who left the will) and the nephew of the William Traylor that went to southern Indiana.
Thanks again! There is just SO much information to take in there! I do a LOT of google searches and rootsweb searches, but I guess if you don’t have the right names to begin with, you’re not going to find everything out there–or you’re not going to recognize the right family when you see it.
storyteller
Yes, we are totally ‘off-topic’ as this has ranout. I’ll move this genealogy thread to the Share Genealogy Reseach section of the Forum tomorrow.
There is a lot to absorb and a lot to sort out about this line that others haven’t sorted out, but that’s as in any line. I dislike sounding so enigmatic. There are several, similar genealogical ‘downlinks’ with similiar given names in this line that have confused a lot of people and I was not an exception at one time – so checkout the run-outs of each downline before you buy it.
Mine came out of Henrico to Chesterfield and on to early Lunenburg & Mecklenburg Co’s, Va; moved to Spartanburg District, SC, before moving into Southeastern Ky and Southern Indiana.
If your’s are the ones in Pike Co., Ind in the 1820/30’s, then it would appear we are more closely related than the 1600’s.
Yours were also in 1800 Spartanburg District, SC, before they went on to Georgia, Alabama and later Texas, and another line from Georgia, thru Tennessee to Indiana before going on to Texas.
Bill
Yes, Bill, we are totally off topic and I’ve felt bad about that. I’m glad to see that it can be moved. Maybe, one day, I’ll get a Blackfoot line…
storyteller
I see there is quite a discussion about Jonathan Walker and if he is buried at Blackfoot Cemetery, and if he is of Indian decent. I am his 4x’s great grandson. I live near the area you are speaking of. My Family has been in the Pike, Dubois, Spencer, Gibson County area for 200 yrs. Jonathan was born in 1780 in North Carolina. He married Polly Brenton. (The sister of the Founder of Petersburg, Indiana Peter Brenton.) In 1811 Governor Harrison made a call for soldiers to fight Techumseh and Jonathan, his brothers, brother in law Peter Brenton and Woolsey Pride joined the A Company of the Indiana Miltia and marched to Lafayette where they defeated and killed numerous Indians on November 7th 1811. 231 Indians were killed. In 1816 he entered the land northwest of Duff, Indiana and raised a very large family.
Jonathan died in 1856 and both him and Polly Brenton are buried in the Bruner Cemetery.
Jonathan was a strong, raucous, hard fighting , hard drinking pioneer. He was a bare knuckled Indian fighter who was well known along the Buffalo Trace from Vincennes Indiana to Louisville Ky.
Now, him being Indian isnt true, in fact I have numerous reward letters from the Governor thanking him for his killing of Indians. Also, he isn’t buried at Blackfoot Cemetery either. If anyone is interested in knowing more….or pictures, documents, records, about him or the entire from from him to present day….email me.
Tom, I have sent you a reply from the private message that you sent me. If you do not get it,please email me direct at
I still maintain that Jonathan WAS a native American. Too many others have heard of it down through the ages,plus I have the facts that my grandmother and her sisters passed down through 4 generations. I am not saying that he was 100 % Naive American,we know that he was part Scotch,and not sure where the Indian came in or how far back,but we know that there was one and his name was “Beady” Walker. I am quite anxious to hear from you and what you have. I know that Jonathan was not buried in Indian Mound or Blackfoot Cemetery,I was mistaken,that was others in the family. Have pics of his tombstone as my daughter was there last year and photographed it. But I am not sure that the one that you quoted was it,but she does have it and the pic,she was there. Any way,as I said,anything that you have will be wonderfull,as we have nothing on him prior to Indiana.
Perhaps together we can find the “Indian in the Closet”.
Thanks again
Judy
Welcome Tony. I’m not really familiar with the interest in your ancestor, but I would like to say that being an Indian fighter does not at all preclude one from being Indian or Indian descended. Nobody killed more Saponi than the Seneca, for instance. All the Indian nations were in the grips of a horrendous arms race and scramble for territory. They had no choice but to be at one another’s throats. Then, once vanquished, the mixed blooded survivors had to scramble to be accepted by the invading culture. Being an “Indian fighter” would be a great entre into white respectability. Even to the day of Geronimo, he was only hunted successfully by other Apache, employed by the US Army.
My Hudson ancestor was a gunsmith and well respected by the other pioneers he lived amongst, but we know he was mixed blooded. When he died, everybody else in the ledger was noted as “Caucasian.” He was noted as “American.”
Judy, I’d just like to interject that you can’t have one Indian ancestor. Genetically, if you have one, you have thousands. And generally, what we’ve found is that the mixed bloods ran together. If you find one obvious one, there’s likely a dozen incognito in the mix.
Storyteller,I saw where you were interested in Beard lines from southern Indiana. My ggg grandfather was Obiedient Beard/Baird who was b.1802 Sumner Co.,Ten or Breckenridge Ky. d.1879 in Pike Co.,In. m. Abigail Mary Hargrove in 1848 in Dubois Co.,In. Children
Hugh H.(my g grandfather) b 1847 Dubois Co In d.1930 Pike Co buried Martin Cem.Pike Co. m. Elzina Walker d/o Dessick Walker and Prudence Mayo
William H. b abt 1818
Sarah E. b abt 1820
John R. b.1845 m.Sarah E. Early in Pike Co in 1871
Laura A. b.abt 1850
Thomas H. b abt 1852 m. Melvina Walker d/o Dessick Walker and Prudence Mayo
Elijah M. b.abt 1853 In d.Sep.1918 Pike Co.,In m.#1 Mollie Seaton #2 Rosa Pearl Pike Co
Robert J. b abt 1855 m.Bertha Byrd 1902 in Pike Co
George W. b abt 1859
Martha J.
Mary C.
Hugh and Elzina Walker Beard’s children were
Martha A. b.1879 Pike Co.,In d.1967 Indianapolis In m. H.C. Hughes (my line) She is buried in Floral Park Cem.,Indianapolis Indiana and he is in Williams Cemetery Pike Co.,In.
Susan Catherine b.1872 in Illinois d. abt 1966 Indianapolis,In m. William Cannon They are buried in Indianpolis,In
Luvina b.1876 Pike Co.,In d.1960 Anderson,In m.Enos Judd Fettinger in 1906 prob Pike Co.,In They are bruied in Pike Co.,In
Lucy June b.1881 in Pike Co.,In d.1940 In. m.Aulston Nance
Cleveland b.1884 Pike Co.,In d.1971 m.Lena Mae Powers 1905 in Pike Co.,In they are buried in Martin Cem.Pike Co.,In
Maude b 1889 in near Litchfield,Nebraska d.in Colorado m.Elijah Jerrell in Pike Co.,In
Just wondered if this was any of your Beard/Bairds. Obedient’s father is supposed to have been William Baird. His wife was Sarah Unknown b 1785 d.bef 1860 in Indiana. Siblings Samuel,William and Andrew. But I am not sure of this part. The rest I am secure about,I knew many of Hugh and Elzina’s children.
Do you have any Walkers in your line?
Judy
Linda thank you so much for your message. I have written back to Tom Walker and really do hope that he has info. I remain firm in my belief of my native heritage. And you are so correct,just as in any ethenticiy,just a dab is enough to have thousands of other family members of that race. And according to everything that I have found I am a dukes mixture of many different peoples,as we all are.English,Scotch,Irish,French,Welch,German,Croatian,Italian and maybe even Portugeese. So why not Native American in the scheme of things. I am sure that it is there,my grandmother would not have told it,if it had not been true. Besides as odd as it seems,I just know it!!! I can feel it,have all of my life,and have felt the need to find it.
I have also messaged back to Storyteller,trying to link her Beard family of southern Indiana with my Beard/Bairds. I have been told by other genealogy diggers that they came from Old John Baird of Scotland,but you know lots of men married lots of women down through the ages,and there may be some Native there,too. The Bairds changed the spelling of their name to Beard after comming to Indiana,this I know for sure. But I sure have no idea if either the Beards that she is searching for or mine were native at this time. But the thing is she said that her Beards were a strange family and so was mine. Not easy to research,or at least my 3rd g grandfather Obedient was not. She also said that they went from state to state together. My Beard line goes straight into my Walker line. My thoughts are that a man named Obedient Beard sure could have been called Beady after another family member,as could have been one of the privious Obedients who were prevelant in the family! Remember,my Indian was Beady Walker.
Thanks again.
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