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😀 Kerry e-mailed me briefly about the manure pile. It was huge! He said thanks for reminding him, and it really made us look red-neck! I wonder if Jeff Foxworthy could use that?
Vance,
Where was this Germana Town you mentioned? I was reading about one in PA. Is that the same one? It is so curriuos, the way some of this is beginning to fall in together. Your and my ancestors, German ones, My & Techteaches families, My & Sue’s Families, Bill’s in there somewhere I think, the Smith ancestor in the Blackfoot Cemetary. That is one old stone, by the way, I admired it when we went back last month. And we all show up in Indiana at the same time frame as a few other scattered tribes. I’ve inquired about any Bibliography info. from that Lee Sultzman on his historical pieces that put the Saponi/Tutelo here with the Munsee at the same time. But I haven’t heard anything back yet. Let me know about your Germana town.
Techteach,
On page 4 of this thread you mention having Evans in your fam. Did I know that and forget? or did I just not notice? Who were your Evans’? I have a Rachel C. (Possibly, but not likely Clay) Evans and she is proving impossible to find info. on. Our Rickettes, Your’s, do they descend from an Edward? Possibly Captain Edward Ricketts? I’ve got info on him, but I can’t make the connection yet, exactly.
I’ve got geological data & locations on all the Blackfoot named places in Indiana. I hope Kerry can find some good historical info on the Burial mound, like I said, my first thought was Miami, but what do I know!:D I wish we could pin down our Mary Polly Hodges too. She’s another one of those darned Phantoms! I continue searching for other dated historical info on Saponi/Tutelo in Indiana, besides the Lewis & Clark thing. It’s going slow! Well, I’ll have to post my geological data another time because Glenn needs the office. I’m going back for seconds on dinner! Hope to hear back from You all soon. L.;)
L
All my Evans are folks from Licking County, Ohio who marry into the Greens and Williamson line.
I don’t know about the Rickets for sure. I found someone’s online genealogy of Rickets and followed it to find Reids. I can say this, the Rickets lived near my Sinkeys in PA and intermarried, and yes, this was Captain Rickets (There are two Captain Edward Rickets, I believe though, or at least two Edward Rickets. Father and son, I believe.). The Rickets and my William Sinkey are on the same Rev War roster sheet. The genealogy line that I followed to Reids descends from the son, Chaney, who can be found as one of the early settlers of Huntington County : http://www.pa-roots.com/~bedford/history/huntingdonco.html (He is spelled Chain.) with my Richard Sinkey. Stacey sent me info on Edward Rickets that talks of his family coming north from close to my WVA folks. I have found lots of info on the Presbyterian Church ministers, especially John Thomson who served in all these areas. It was all part of Donegal Presbyter where Richard Sankey and Thomson preached. I can’t figure out how my Richard Sinkey and that Richard Sankey are connected. I have suspected name borrowing.
Tech
L
Stacey’s information said that the Rickets came from Hagerstown.
A Rickets (I do not remember the name, maybe it was an Edward.) marries a Mary Chaney, whose father disapproves of the marriage. Their children, if I recall correctly, were Edward, Chaney and another boy, I think.) This information comes from several genealogies online, so if you google, you can find this too. I have bookmarked all these, but if you saw my lists of bookmarks, you would understand why I think you could find it quicker. Include Chaney, Cheney, Chain, and Sinkey as you google and spell it Rickets, Ricketts and maybe Ricket. Here’s the muster list though. It was a bookmark that was easy to find : http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/bedford/military/militia-1.txt
I might add that John Thomson not only preaches in all these area churches where the Rickets were, including Hagerstown, he moves to Prince Edward County, VA for a time and then ends up in Mecklinburg County, NC, where he is buried. His location connects all my family locations and his son-in-law was Richard Sankey, who also preaches in all these areas. Sinkey and Sankey are interchangeable when searching.
Tech
http://www.ls.net/~newriver/va/oran1934.htm
Just do a oogle search for Germanna Spotswood and several links will come up.
vance
🙂 Well thank you very much, you guys. You are, as always, absolutely the best!;) Love & Light, Lynella.
Techteach,
I needed to double check that long list of names burried here in the Blackfoot Cem. I have been working on that Rickets and came across a few other names that jabbed my curriosity.
ALSO, we were talking about ENO here. I know we’ve brought this up in other areas of the forum but I could not recall where. While I was digging tonight I found this brief note printed from a web site sometime in the last year:
This was from a google search of Saponi Indians in Indiana.
[DOC] ENO Indian Tribe
File Format: Microsoft Word 2000- View as HTML
…and all of them now go under the name of Sapponeys…members can trace their ancestry back to the individual Indians identified in such records…
ermp.tv/enotribe.doc – similar pages
This is the link across the bottom of the page. If it doesn’t work, let me know.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Sapponeys+Indians+in+Indiana&btnG=Sea…
Love & Light, Lynella.
If you will go to my postings of today(Walker family?Blackfoot Cherokee and a reply that I had to add,about Indian Mound Cemetery),you will learn about my 3rd g grandfather who is buried in Indian Mound Cem,who may have been Blackfoot Cherokee. I do know quite a bit about the areas of Pike and of Dubois Counties as my family was there for generations,and my mom was the first to come north. Some are still there. I have been to the area several times. Not that I am an expert,by any means,but I know alot of folks down there. Much of my genealogy searches is down there. It also tells you how to get on line and find the cemetery listings of who all is buried in Pike Co.
Teachteck,I could not find the message where you asked me who the persons were in Blackfoot Cemetery who were related to me. I now see that you have found the site and listed all who rest there. I went to the site myself last night and found so many names that you have mentioned as Sapponi. Anyway here are the name who are related to me and those who might be and those who are related by marriage.
The English and Corn families are my links The Johnson family may be one of my direct links. I do have Johnson/Johnston family who are my direct lines through my English family.
These are the family names who married into my family in that area
FLeener,Coleman,Hurt,Pancake,Williams and Bolin. I would bet that they were those who married into my direct line. I have some Coleman,Hurt,Pancake and Bolin cousins who still are down there or we are in contact. The Hurt line married to one of my Jonathan Walke’s grandaughters. I think that I told you about her before. I knew her well and she looked as Indian as anyone could. The Fleener,Williams and Bolins are also cousins through my English/Hughes lines. The Pancake and Coleman are my cousins through my Beard/Baird lines My direct lines are Johnson and English who were in my Grandfather Hughes direct line. The Corn famiy is also a direct line to my Grandmother Beard.
Some names that are also from that area and are my direct lineswho migrated from Ky,Ten,N.C. and Va. are Mayo,Summers,Brenton,Hughes,Beard/Baird,Ralston,Walker,and many,many more names who m. into the lines. My family has been in the area of Pike,Dubois,Gibson and Spencer Counties down there sence the start of them. So probably about everyone down there with any family down there for many years are related. As is the story with any one who has “old”family in one certain area for long.
I tried to get onto the cemteries in Dubois Co.,for Siple Indian Mound,not only did I not find it,they do not list any of the persons in any of their cemeteries due to a legal thingy. But I do know that it is there,and some of our family is in it,my 4th g grandfather for one,as I told you before,James Brenton,who was the father in law of Jonathan Walker,my “Illusive Indian”.
Who are your lines from down in Gibson? My grandpa was married the first time in Gibson Co and my great aunt lived there. Don’t doubt but what those names of mine hold true for Gibson as well as Pike,Dubois and Spencer.
Judy,
I don’t have any lines there that I am aware of. My interest is part of the purpose of this web site – determining who the Eastern Blackfoot were. Several of us have worked on Blackfoot Cemetery and also, Blackfoot Town in DE, where the Blackfoot Indians were supposed to have lived. I followed a couple of lines from Blackfoot Town to Blackfoot Cemetery. In fact, Walker is a surname in my line that I have suspected to be NA (I think it is in my line, but through my grandfather. Need to check again. Think they marry into the Swearingen line.) I do know that it was the surname of an Indian interpreter who was mixed. These folks were in or near DE.
A surname of mine, Mason, is there, but the person is one of those mysteries as to where they come from. No idea the origin of Bennett Mason.
Fleehner is a surname near my folks in IA. Lots of other surnames from that cemetery are found on this web site.
Techteach
PS: My Ralstons were Irish, but an interesting fact is that they came from near Pittsburgh, PA and 15 miles from the town where the Tutelo Indians (They are connected, lived, and moved with Saponi.) had a village in northern PA, there is a town called Ralston. They came from eastern PA originally and 3 brothers fought in the French and Indian War in Quebec, CA.
Judy, are you saying all those names were connected to the Blackfoot Cemetery? I believe both Corn and Bolin are on the list of half dozen names that are documented to Saponi, many of the other names come up repeatedly in this connection. That’s pretty astonishing, if that’s what you’re saying. That’s Pike County, KY you’re talking about?
vance hawkins wrote: Could that be a corruptoin of “Riddle”? Isn’t Riddle a surname of known mixed Indian families of western Virginia and North Carolina? When I was a kid there was a family of Riddle’s across the street.
vance
Yes, the Riddle’s (Ridle, Ridley, Riddell, etc.) you are referring to are most likely descendants of Moses and Mary Riddle, who lived with the Collins and Gibsons in Person County, NC in the 1750s.
Judy Tweedy wrote:
Anyway here are the name who are related to me and those who might be and those who are related by marriage.
The English and Corn families are my links The Johnson family may be one of my direct links. I do have Johnson/Johnston family who are my direct lines through my English family.
These are the family names who married into my family in that area
FLeener,Coleman,Hurt,Pancake,Williams and Bolin. I would bet that they were those who married into my direct line. I have some Coleman,Hurt,Pancake and Bolin cousins who still are down there or we are in contact. The Hurt line married to one of my Jonathan Walke’s grandaughters. I think that I told you about her before. I knew her well and she looked as Indian as anyone could. The Fleener,Williams and Bolins are also cousins through my English/Hughes lines. The Pancake and Coleman are my cousins through my Beard/Baird lines My direct lines are Johnson and English who were in my Grandfather Hughes direct line. The Corn famiy is also a direct line to my Grandmother Beard.
Some names that are also from that area and are my direct lineswho migrated from Ky,Ten,N.C. and Va. are Mayo,Summers,Brenton,Hughes,Beard/Baird,Ralston,Walker,and many,many more names who m. into the lines. My family has been in the area of Pike,Dubois,Gibson and Spencer Counties down there sence the start of them. So probably about everyone down there with any family down there for many years are related.
I tried to get onto the cemteries in Dubois Co.,for Siple Indian Mound,not only did I not find it,they do not list any of the persons in any of their cemeteries due to a legal thingy. But I do know that it is there,and some of our family is in it,my 4th g grandfather for one,as I told you before,James Brenton,who was the father in law of Jonathan Walker,my “Illusive Indian”.
Who are your lines from down in Gibson? My grandpa was married the first time in Gibson Co and my great aunt lived there. Don’t doubt but what those names of mine hold true for Gibson as well as Pike,Dubois and Spencer.
Could you tell me what state that you are talking about? Where is the Blackfoot Cemetery that was discussed? I am especially interested in the Beard line.
storyteller
Storyteller,
Don’t mean to preempt Judy, but she is talking about Indiana. The Blackfoot Cemetery is in Pike County, Indiana.
Techteach
Thank you Techteach,
I suspected that but wasn’t sure. Judy mentioned Gibson Co and I knew that one of my Hanks ancestors had died in a county of that name in Indiana, but…
I’ve also seen online where there are a lot of Beards that went to Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois and I’ve seen some of my other surnames in those areas. I just don’t know where they started out from. Did they all start out in Virginia and North Carolina and split up there to go both north and south or did they start out further north with my line splitting off to the South.
storyteller
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