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Is there any possible connection with your Harrells and mine MarcSnelling?
Jesse Harrell b. 1810 KY , wife Mary Ann Ward b. 1816 OH. Jesse moved to Indiana to Decature where his son Phillip E Harrell was born in 1843. Then moved to Marshall Co. IN. My Grandfather, his Grandson, was told he was Irish. Ive had no luck tracing the name. Grandpa said he had a big red beard though. So not likely NA, or full anyway.
seeker;37428 wrote: Is there any possible connection with your Harrells and mine MarcSnelling?
Jesse Harrell b. 1810 KY , wife Mary Ann Ward b. 1816 OH. Jesse moved to Indiana to Decature where his son Phillip E Harrell was born in 1843. Then moved to Marshall Co. IN. My Grandfather, his Grandson, was told he was Irish. Ive had no luck tracing the name. Grandpa said he had a big red beard though. So not likely NA, or full anyway.
Given the places and times I think they probably were.
My Mary Harrell was born 12 Oct 1768 in Nelson Co Kentucky, she died 14 Aug 1852. Her husband was Henry Smith Cotton born 4 Sep 1763 in VA, died Mar 1831 near Bardstown, Nelson Co KY. Their son William W Cotton was born between 1803-05 in Nelson County KY and died 6 Jan 1874 in Nineveh, Johnson, Indiana.
Looking at a tree for Jesse Ray Harrell 1810 and Mary Ann Ward I see Jesse’s father listed as Phillip Harrell b 1788 in VA. Died 2 Aug 1857 Decatur Co IN. On the 1810 census he is in Bardstown Nelson Co KY the same place my Mary Harrell’s husband died 21 years later. In 1812 he is listed as marrying Catherine Redding in Butler Co OH. Several of my lines were in Butler Co OH at this time.
I have not found a tree that lists Phillip Harrell’s parents yet. Mary Harrell is twenty years older than him so could be a generation before or perhaps the same generation? I notice Jesse R Harrell had a sister named Mary A Harrell born 1830.
The population of Bardstown was 216 in 1790 and 536 in 1860. So I don’t think it is a stretch to assume these Harrell’s are connected even though I have yet to see a direct link.
The lineage I have listed for my Mary Harrell:
daughter of William Harrell (Frederick VA) 1740-1822 and Martha 1750-1856
William Harrell’s parents:
Jacob Harrell 1725-1787 (Nansemond VA) and Martha Padgett (New Kent VA) 1725-?
Jacob Harrell’s parents:
Francis Harrell 1680-1763 (born England died Bertie NC) and Mary Benton 1698-1759 (Nansemond and Bertie NC)
Francis Harrell’s father:
John Harrell 1650-? (England)
That’s fantastic MarcSnelling! I’m honored to have the connection with you.
Thank you so much for your time! You got me another generation back 🙂
..always so exiting! I’m of the same oppinion that there would be some
connection with our Harrells, somewhere in history they must meet up.
I look forward to finding it. Much appritiated.
Honored to make the connection with you as well. I have DNA samples from my family on GedMatch if you want to try a DNA comparison between us. You are the first descendant I’ve been in contact with on this Harrell line. This isn’t one of the lines I have spent a lot of time on, so I went back and did some further research. There are multiple spellings of the name including Harrel, Harrold, and Harrald.
This is a difficult line to trace and there is some controversy among descendants. My line above may not be correct past William Harrell b. abt. 1740-1822. His father may be Richard Harrell b. abt 1700 Lancaster VA d.1751-58 Augusta VA.
At any rate what is a common link among this group of Harrell’s is Nelson County Kentucky.
The records that exist for your Phillip Harrell show he was born in 1787 – one tree says in Kentucky, another one says in Kentucky County Virginia. On the 1810 census he is in Bardstown, Nelson Co. KY. (Land deed transfers and census records show my Harrells/Cottons were there at the same time.) All trees agree that he married a Catherine. One says in 1812 with Catherine Redding in Butler County Ohio, another says just Catherine in 1818 in Kentucky. On the 1820 census he is in Dearborn County Indiana. Your Jesse Ray Harrell is listed as the first of nine children, with birthdates listed between 1810 and 1813:
Jesse R. Harrell 1813
William M. Harrell 1815 – 1873
James H. Harrell 1818 – 1895
Nancy Harrell 1819 – 1857
Sarah Ann Harrell 1823 –
Hannah Harrell/Patton 1825 –
Mary A. Harrell 1830 –
Phillip Marion Harrell 1830 – 1864
Catherine Harrell 1833 – 1875
His marriage is listed in all sources as to Mary Ann Ward on 4 Nov 1842 in Decatur Co. Indiana.
I have no pictures in my family from this line until my Mary Harrell’s gg-granddaughter Maude Marshall. The names that marry into this line in my family are Cotton+Harrell, Cotton+Irwin, Marshall+Cotton, Marshall+Coppock. The Irwin and Marshall lines are even harder to trace. Maude Marshall was my mom’s grandmother from Nineveh, Johnson County, Indiana. After WW2 the family moved to Indianapolis. My mother moved from Indy to Canada where she had me.
I did find this Civil War picture of Phillip Marion Harrell – listed as brother to your Jesse Ray Harrell:
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SaponiTown members listing Harrell in their tree or researching Harrell:
Debi, quest for facts, Bill Childs, Shoshone, lomonvm, klech, Sandra W, MochaLocs
Thank you so much once again!
I am still trying to process all you’ve given me, but I will love every minuet of it.
I think you must have some better accesses than me, or your just better
at it perhaps? I would love to have a DNA test done. However, funds
are tight right now.
So much I want to say I don’t know where to start..
I hate to hijack a thread, but Im passionate about my ancestry, so please let me go on.
Its fascinating to have so many different lines that seem common and kind of come together here.
My grandpa said his grandfather Phillip Edward Harrell also fought in the civil war.
I later found his obit in a local historical records that verified this.
When grandpa was a boy, Phillip told him that when he was in the war, he use to
catch cannon balls and throw them back…lol 🙂 As he sat on his porch stroking his
red beard, rocking in a chair.
Phillip was grandpas moms dad. Said to be Irish.
His wife, Lucetta J Maxon
was born 1850 in Marshall county to Orin Maxon 1807 NY, and Sara Crow, 1820 KY.
They ran the Argos post office during the Civil War. According to Lucettas obit.
Sara Crows father, John Crow b.1779 VA. Who moved to KY after marrying
Cathrine Blazer b. 1788 PA. Where his first two children were born, and then to
Indiana.
Phillip and Lucettas Daughter, Nancy Harrell, married the son of Jerretta Teal (Blackfoot)
and her husband (grandpas dads dad.) Levi Yeazel b. 1848 Allan co, OH. Of Soloman Yeazel
b. 1815 Flemming KY, and Elizabeth Weaver b. 1815 OH. Soloman of Christopher Yeazel b. 1777
of Hamshire VA, and Polly Likens 1779 Flemming Ky. Christopher of Jacob Yeazel b.1754 and,
(Phoebe Hale? according to ancestry tree)
I am also curious about John Crow. I saw his surname on Allans post
just above mine in this thread. As well as my Parks surname, who was said to be blackfoot.)
http://saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?4422-New-Saponi-Tribe/page2
More on my Parks, Lance, Teal,?, here..
http://saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?1392-Blackfoot-ancestors-Please-help!!!/page4
That’s all just my Dads dads side.
My Mom confirmed today that she did indeed have native roots on her mom and dads side.
She thinks at least one was from local to here. I have a town name to search now, so I will
prob. end up footing at least the one side… then to figure out which surname to look for. 😮
And how to find the other side…only took me 42 years to get this far..:rolleyes:
When your people have been here a long as some of mine have, anything is possible. Though
same surnames don’t always mean relative, I do see a few of mine in this forum here and there other
than these mentioned. Fuels my fire.
Thanks again.
seeker;37470 wrote:
I hate to hijack a thread, but Im passionate about my ancestry, so please let me go on.
No worries, I just moved these posts to a new Harrell thread so they are easier to find later.
23andMe is currently the cheapest DNA test at $99. That’s what we used, then we downloaded our samples from there and uploaded to GedMatch.
My main method for finding info on SaponiTown is the search feature. I got that list by typing Harrell in the search field and then went to each thread, did a Ctrl-F in my browser, and searched for Harrell in each page of the threads. This search method searches the body of posts but not signatures.
If I want to search the posts and signatures I use Bing and do a search like:
Harrell site:saponitown.com
That searches for the word Harrell on any SaponiTown.com page. This will also bring up threads I have posted in where I attached my signature, which includes Harrell.
My whole tree and pictures are digital on my computer so I can search those easily. I also have an Ancestry.com login and search the trees there for info. I recently tried Fold3 as well which has a special Native American collection that includes resources like the Dawes and Guion Miller Cherokee rolls. Lastly I search the web with different search engines to see what else comes up on different genealogy boards. If I want to search a specific board I use the site:sitename.com operator in the search.
I’ve been at this awhile. I worked in a library from 14-19 and helped digitize their catalog. After that I became an IT Systems Admin and have been doing that for twenty years. But more than anything I’m standing on the shoulders of those who came before me, especially my mother who has been compiling our genealogy since the 80s.
It really is fascinating to see all the shared connections people find here after so many years. It shows the power of oral history and that our ancestors were part of a community.
Thanks for the tips and info! Great stuff.
I think I already noticed your Smiths, but don’t recall your Baker.
Don’t mind me, too little sleep.
So that’s three surnames we share?
Ive found at least six or seven same surnames with forum members I can
think of off hand. No guarantees of connections, but makes you wander.
One surname being Ward, the Mary who married Phillip Harrell.
Im having a hard time finding anything on her, but was a common name.
Sometimes makes it harder. Search continues…
It would be great to have something where we could all add our surnames,
dates, and locations, that would compile the information and show common
locations, migrations, how many of what surnames, and useful info.
I bet the results would be amazing.
I will have to get with you when I can afford to get my DNA done.
Looking forward to it though.
From my moms side:::Baker
Rowena Baker b.1847 WV d. 1926 Kosciusko County, Indiana, USA
Married Josiah Kennedy Sensibaugh b.1835 PA d.1924 Fulton co IN
(Father Abraham Sensibaugh b.1803 PA census tracks them from
Fayette PA 1810, to Monongalia VA 1820-30, to Elkhart co IN 1840.
(Mom Sarah Rhoades b.1809 PA? tree tip)
How they married in 1868, in VA the same year his father died in IN is a
mystery..as well JKS born in PA after move to IN… family reunions?
Name:Kenedy Sensibaugh
Spouse:Rowena Baker
Marriage Date:3 May 1868
County:Marion
State:West Virginia
Wont post them all, but the are on census of Kosciusko co, Indiana 1870-1910
(Same Co my Blackfoot Jereda Teal born 1854. Also where
gg on moms side had secret “Pocahontis club” womens meetings.
Not sure which grandma tho, Pearl (Murphy) Sensibaugh or
Emma (Parker) Hoffer, Rowena is mother in law of Pearl, same Co.)
1850 census
Name:Rowana Baker
Age:3
Birth Year:abt 1847
Birthplace:Virginia
Home in 1850:Western District, Marion, Virginia
Race:White
Household Members:
Nathan Baker 41
Lydia Baker 42
Edwin M Baker 15
Albert M Baker 14
Minerva J Baker 12
Letha A Baker 11
John H Baker 9
Mary E Baker 7
Rowana Baker 3
Elizabeth C Baker 0
1860 census
District 7, Marion, Virginia
Nathan Baker 51
Lydia Baker 51
Edwin Baker 25
Alfred Baker 24
Minerva J Baker 23
Aletha A Baker 22
Mary E Baker 16
John Baker 19
Roanna Baker 13
Elizabeth Baker 10
Mallcolm Baker 8
Elizabeth Baker 78
Nathen b.1809 VA, died 1891 Marion WV
(So many Bakers its hard to prove his dad)
…ancestry tree tips say…
Mom:Elizabeth Bean b.1782 MD d.1874 Marion WV
Father: William 1775 ?
Wife: Lydia Hughs b.1808 PA
Any possible connections on this side as well?
If so, I wonder if that would be a clue to my mothers mystery NA on her moms side?
I would flip.
And if we had two line connection? Whoa.
Well, Im getting my cart before my horse.
And Im up late again. Haunted by the WhoAmI. Ha! I try to be funny sometimes..:p
Thanks for moving the thread by the way. I appreciate it.
Marc,
If you have people in Nelson County, KY, specifically Bardstown, the DNA match I coughed up may not be the Potter line. Mom has people who emigrated from PA to Bardstown after doing a militia stint in the Revolution in western PA, the Walkers, specifically Gideon Walker and his family. Gideon’s wife was Priscilla Duvall, a daughter from the Mareen Duvall Huguenot family.
Techteach
techteach;37485 wrote: If you have people in Nelson County, KY, specifically Bardstown, the DNA match I coughed up may not be the Potter line. Techteach
Yes I do have ancestors in early Bardstown, although I do not recognize the Walker or Duvall names.
I suspect our DNA match is not from the Potter line. The reason I believe this is because Thomas Potter 1800-1872 is my grandmother’s father’s father. So according to Mendelian inheritance my grandmother would not have DNA from her father’s father.
What I took away from our DNA match is that it was ‘proof’ that we both descend from the same community and therefore our Potters are connected. I had always suspected as much from all the similarities in our family histories, but a DNA match like that is beyond the realm of coincidence to me. 500 SNPs is a threshold used by Family Finder. These thresholds and what they mean are constantly evolving. The way I see it – each SNP has four possible values right – A C T or G. So to have a 500 SNP match that was just a coincidence would be like two people flipping a coin 1000 times and getting the same result every time. The odds of that happening randomly are extremely long.
seeker;37481 wrote: I think I already noticed your Smiths, but don’t recall your Baker. Any possible connections on this side as well?
It would be great to have something where we could all add our surnames, dates, and locations, that would compile the information and show common locations, migrations, how many of what surnames, and useful info.
I’m not sure if there is enough info to prove or disprove a Baker connection. For me it is another female line with the name disappearing way back. My Hannah Baker (b. 11 Oct 1772 d. 5 Apr 1824) was in Newberry South Carolina. Her husband was Isaac Coppock (b. 1758-68 d.3 Aug 1804) They were Quakers from the Bush River Monthly Meeting. Hannah Baker died in Newberry SC but her children moved to Miami County Ohio and later Indiana.
Both Harrell and Baker are names on my g-grandmother Maude Marshall’s line. I have found connections to several people in Saponi groups among Maude Marshall’s ancestors. Harrell is on her father Almon C Marshall’s side. Baker is on her mother Mary Martha Coppock’s side. It is this line in particular that I have found connections to others such as Linda Carter.
Looking on Ancestry.com I cannot find any listing of the parents for Rowena Baker. The Sensibaughs (never heard that name before) seem like they could be part of a Quaker and/or Saponi group with that migration pattern but I didn’t see anything in a short look that was definitive.
The Smith’s are from a line that didn’t connect until my grandparents. Harrell/Baker are lines through my grandfather Norman Drybread of Nineveh Indiana. There was no oral history on this side of Blackfoot/Saponi heritage. However we suspected it based on pictures and genealogy, and have since confirmed connection to others. The Smith’s are on my grandmother Madeline Potter’s line. There is strong Blackfoot oral history on this side (this is the one TechTeach and I share Potter and other names on and suspect our DNA link is through.)
I have very little info on the Smith’s before they came to Indiana/Ohio. Oral history in our family also says that Smith was not their original name. Presumably they changed it to make themselves harder to trace. The oldest one I have is Francis Smith b abt 1779 WV d 1865 Indiana. He married Massa Jones b 1781 VA. Mskimmy on SaponiTown has stated that her husband shares these specific ancestors – they are members of the Saponi Nation of MO – Mahenips Band. My Smith descendants bear a resemblance to the Jones/Smith of Indiana descendant pictured on the ‘Other Blackfoot’ page Linda Carter created.
I have had the same thoughts as you regarding compiling surname connections and possible links. My efforts have been concentrated on maintaining this website and organizing links to surnames in threads like this one. It was also my motivation for creating the Jones/Smith of Indiana group here.
I have done a fair bit of work on the Jones/Smith Indiana line and have searched out other descendants of Francis and Massa. There is oral history of Blackfoot heritage I have found on at least three other lines spread out from Indiana to Florida to Utah and more. Their common names make them very difficult to trace backwards though.
Keep in mind not all the names I list in my signature are ones I suspect to have Saponi ancestry. They are all part of early pioneer communities. Some I believe were part of this mixed community, but necessarily mixed themselves. Others I know or suspect have mixed Saponi(aka Blackfoot) ancestry. One thing that seems to be a constant in all the trees I’ve seen is that the mixed Saponi lines keep marrying into one another.
Your doing a great job with the forum! I wasn’t trying to imply you need more work on your hands by any means, just a random thought I spilled.
Some Ancestry member trees list Abraham Sensibaugh as having a father of the same name born in Germany 1765 , d.Monongolia VA. It does sound German. I haven’t heard of anyone else having the name so I don’t think its a common one. I have found nothing more on them so far.
I wonder why they would have Rowena Baker on the census, but no record of them having her? I think records are not showing as much as is out there, either way, somethings missing. I found the census info on Ancestry. I don’t think their searches are always accurate in finding all the info they actually have. I liked their old format better as well. Im not as happy with genweb searches either. I swear I use to find things that now don’t show up.
Frustrating.
Indeed. We are a mixed lot. But we should always have unity. No race of mankind is immune to losing everything when division is among its members.
Another resource that I use is the webpage “My COLLINS Research including BUNCH, BURNETT, HURST, HUTCHISON, PETTYJOHN, BLACKSTONE, BARLOW etc.” at http://mycollinsgenresearch.tribalpages.com
This site has a number of ancestors relevant to people here. It has a feature that lets you compare two people for relationships. Using this I have been able to see how ancestors of mine like Amelia Hurst and Samuel Washington Beeler (grandmother’s line) are tied to others ancestors like Thompsey Posting, Micajah Bunch and David Collins 1750-1832 through marriages across generations.
I had not checked the Harrell’s here before, so I went back and looked. My William Harrell 1740/50-1822 Wythe County VA (grandfather’s line) is there and is tied to the Hursts connected to Bunch/Collins.
Did not find other Harrells or Bakers there though.
I found more tree info on Phillip to add to the other mentioned before of his conflicting birthplace being in KY or VA.
Unverified like many trees unfortunately, but the only one with Parents for Phillip I noticed.
It states Philip as b,1789 KY,
father
Chester Harrell 1756 VA, d.1820 IN
mother
Betsy Stephens b.1765 KY, d.IN
father of Chester,
William Harrell b.1736 VA, d.1822, ends Harrells with this William.
mother
Susanna Chester b.1732 VA, d.1757 VA
No parents for William, but goes beyond Susanna
to a Capt. Thomas Chester 1689 VA, d.1754 VA
and Sarah Cartnell b.1700 VA
If this is true, would it still be found on your Harrell line?
Is there a chance this William Harrell would be the same as yours?
Marc “The lineage I have listed for my Mary Harrell:
daughter of William Harrell (Frederick VA) 1740-1822 and Martha 1750-1856″
The birth years are close, but wifes have different name…It does appear that
Susanna died rather young. One possibility is that Martha was a second wife
if these are found to be the same William.
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