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Brenda,
From “Colonial Virginia Source Records, 1600s-1700s”, ” Virginia Tax Records, 1782-1787, p.105 (genealogy.com database of abstracts of original records) :
Moses Riddle: 1, 0, Linc. (Lincoln Co., Va., now KY.)
I’m assuming the “1, 0” are tithables ?
The only other Riddle’s listed were in Loudon (3), Goochland (2), Caroline (3), Fauquier (1).
From “Virginia Wills and Administration”
“Riddell, William, 1784 i.
“Riddle
………..Brunswick Co., Eliz., 1797 w.
………..Goochland Co., Jno., 1771 w.
………..Orange Co., William, 1777 w.
………..Pittsylvania Co., Sarah, 1777 w.”
“i” should be “inventory” and “w” is “Will”.
Re: the William above. From Virginia Gazette (?), 14 Nov 1777,
“William Riddell of Orange Co (decd) e.a.w. his Ex. James & Lewis Riddell.”
From “First Census of Kentucky, 1790” (from Tax Records):
Riddle, George; Fayette Co., 11/18/1789.
Riddle, Wm.; Fayette Co., 1/11/1790.
Bill
Brenda,
I should have ran this out a little further before posting that last message. The Lincoln Co., Ky Moses Riddle m’d Catherine, dau. of Samuel Hazel, on 7-19- (1787), per “Kentucky Marriage Records, Lincoln Co., 1781-1792”.
Doesn’t look like your guy?
Bill
I am a descendant of Jesse Brock. I, among other Brock descendants, have had DNA testing. 100% of Brocks tested have Native American blood. The DNA Print test does indeed give you a percentage of your Native American blood. This test does not indicate how you are Native American, just how much you are. Being a female, my DNA testing is limited. Males can have more detailed testing. I am no expert, but I believe the Native American tribal affiliation can be indicated on some of the tests.
Being a life long resident of Southeastern KY, I must say that the term “Cherokee” is sometimes synomamous with the term “Native American”. For a lot of people, Cherokee means Indian. This is especially common with the older people. I think that this is because the Cherokee was the dominant tribe of the area.
I have been researching the Brock family for about five years. All evidence is pointing to a Cherokee heritage.
I have seen some, but not all, of Dr. Kenneth Tankerlsey’s documentation. His research is the best I’ve ever seen. He has a vast amount of documentation with the DNA to back it up.
I am new to this forum. I found it while searching for my Rogers/Belcher/Lawson family. My grandmother, Matilda Belcher, claimed to be Blackfoot Indian. She was the daughter of Stokely Belcher. Stokely Belcher, in the John Dickey Diaries, claimed to be “Tukaho Dutch”. Stokely was the son of David Rogers and Elizabeth Belcher. Elizabeth Belcher was the daughter of Bartlett Belcher and Ailsey Lawson. Ailsey appears to have been the daughter of Moreman Lawson. These people lived in the Blackwater, Lee Co., VA/Mulberry Gap, Sneedville, Hancock Co., TN area.
Darla Jackson
Welcome Darla,
I am also from the Jesse Brock line through his daughter Barthena BROCK, who married Thomas Sloan. I am fairly new to this line as I searched for the wife of my John W.Collins for many years and and only in the past couple years discovered Mary Roark Collins was the daughter of John Roark of Harlan County Kentucky. After I broke down that wall I discovered it went back to Jesse Brock, the RW soldier.
I have heard the rumors in my family about the NA blood but when I tried to discuss it with my relatives they usually told me to stop my digging before I dug up more than I bargined for. All that did is make me more courious than ever and the search went on.
Brenda
Hi and Thank you! I am a descendant of Aaron Brock many times. One of which is through Jesse’s daughter, Barthena, who married Thomas Sloan. I come from Barthena and Thomas’ daughter, Mary, who wed Samuel Mosley! That makes us cousins!
Darla
. JOHN1 ROARK was born 1785 in Tennessee or Virginia, and died 25 May 1844 in Clay County, Kentucky. He married (1) NANCY SLONE 1813, daughter of THOMAS SLONE and BARTHENA BROCK. She was born 1806, and died 1829 in Harlan County, Kentucky. He married (2) ELIZABETH BROCK 31 March 1831 in Harlan County, Kentucky. She was born 1810 in Kentucky, and died Aft. 1887 in Salt Trace, Harlan County, Kentucky.
Notes for ELIZABETH BROCK:
Listed as Head of Household in 1850 Census
More About ELIZABETH BROCK:
Census: 1850, Harlan County, Kentucky #345/345
Children of JOHN ROARK and NANCY SLONE are:
i. MARY2 ROARK, b. 1813. died after 1870 McDowell Co. WV
“took up with” John W. Collins son of Meredith Collins of Pike Co. Ky. John W. Collins born 1797 NC married 1) Lydia Toner 1821 Grainger Co. TN (ch of this marriage: John W. Collins Jr.; William; Cecil;Benjamin;Jacob;Margaret;Ira)
(ch of 2)Alfred b. 1853; Arnetta b. 1855; Richard b. 1858 ,my gr grandfather)
NOTE: John and Mary lived on the Tug Fork of Big Sandy River near his brother William Collins. William owned and operated a gristmill on the Tug Fork.William was married 1) to Mary Mullins 2) Maryann Hatfield.William Jr. also lived near and was married to Nancy Lester.
NOTE: Meredith Collins father of John W. Collins was b. 1760 Va. d. 1841 Pike Co. Ky. Took up a land grant on Shelby Creek in 1809. 1810 list Meredith as Mullato and 1920 census list him as free person of color. Family oral history says Meredith was mixed blood Indian but no tribe is known.
NOTE: Mary had several children out of wedlock which are documented in many of the Harlan Co. court records. (I have a list if you are interested)
ii. ADDIE ROARK, b. Bet. 1815 – 1820.
2. iii. JAMES ROARK, b. 1820, Harlan County, Kentucky; d. 1876.
3. iv. ELLENDER ROARK, b. 1827, Harlan County, Kentucky.
4)Sarah
5) Robert
Children of JOHN ROARK and ELIZABETH BROCK are:
4. v. MALINDA2 ROARK, b. 06 August 1830, Harlan County, Kentucky; d. 22 June 1914, Mills, Knox County, Kentucky.
5. vi. JOHN ROARK, b. 17 October 1831, Clay County, Kentucky; d. 07 November 1913, Roark, Leslie County, Kentucky.
6. vii. JANE ROARK, b. 1837, Clay County, Kentucky; d. 1864, Harlan County, Kentucky.
viii. MATILDA ROARK, b. 1838, Kentucky.
More About MATILDA ROARK:
Census: 1850, Harlan County, Kentucky #345/345
ix. WILLIAM ROARK, b. 1840, Kentucky.
More About WILLIAM ROARK:
Census: 1850, Harlan County, Kentucky #345/345
7. x. AARON ROARK, b. 1846, Clay County, Kentucky.
xi. ELIZABETH ROARK, b. 1849, Kentucky.
Notes for ELIZABETH ROARK:
Birth date is taken from census
More About ELIZABETH ROARK:
Census: 1850, Harlan County, Kentucky #345/345
Darla, howdy! 🙂
DNA evidence will work in 2 ways. A male descended froma male descended from a male, et cetera. This is “Y chromosome” (sp?). Mitocondrial DNA test is older, has been used for more years, and is used for the female line. It will tell you if you are descended from an initial female who was a certain race. And this only works for a female descended from a female descended from a female et cetera. If a single male is in the line it won’t work. There are 4 markers that denote Indian ancestry. There is no marker to differentiate between tribal group.
It does not determine percentage of indian blood. A person who is 7/8th’s Indian on both parents side might not have a single marker for Native American blood. if there is not a straight line of solid male or female to the Indian ancestor. So according to DNA tests this person would be “White”. This information can be found on any number of websites bythose labs that peform those tests. This is true for a peson who in 99 percent white — it that one ancestor who was Indian is solely throuthe the male or the female line, this test will show it. So a DNA test won’t prove anything for most people.
Darla, can you explain Dr. Tankersley’s results? How does he get from “Red Bird” to “Jessee or Aaron Brock”? His Jessee was a neighbor of one of my ancestors in Lower Russell County, Virginia in the 1790s. On his website he says Wutehe (Werteh) was 1/2 Cherokee. She was full blood and her aunt married Watts and it was their kids, her cousns that were 1/2 blood. He is wrong about that on his website.
Red Bid is recorded as being killed in S. Kentucky with a Cherokee companion in 1797. Dr. Tankersley says he died after 1811. He is wrong about that, too. I have a document that shows this. There was another Red Bird who was a chief and signed treaties. But he is not the one killed in S. Kentucky. He was born near the NC/Tn border. I am presently researching the Cherokee in Kentucky and have never found a permanent settlemenmt there, altho I have found historic documentation for a Cherokee village in Ohio. I would love to find evidence of a Cherokee village in Kentucky, tho. There are recorded Shawanese (Shawnee) villages in Kentucky, and someone here found a tutero Village in Kentucky I think (maybe it was in WVa, I am not sure). From 1775-1795 Cherokee eer raidding Cumberland River area and because of their alliance with Shawnee, miami and others, kept a salient open to the Scioto River, but they were as likely to go up the Tennessee River in western tennessee and from there to ndiana as travel up eastern Kentucky as it was safer, fewer settlements.
Dr. Tankersley or Dan Troxel — maybe both — mention a Cherokee “capital” at Burnside, Ky. I have never seen any historic documentation for this, nor have I found any evidence in the form of a historic document for a massacre at Yahoo Falls.
I asked Dr. Tankersley very politely in e-mails for such documentation and he never provided it. You say you have seen his research. can you provide this documentation? This is as the “Hoply Grail” to me. If anyone says they can document these things, I feel duty bound to try to seek it out. Also is there an documentation for the exist
Thank you for your time. I sincerely hope such documentation exists. I sincerely want to find evidence of all this if it exists. Right now I have looked everywhere for months tho and I am getting more and more pessimistic. I would be in your debt if you can providethis evidence dr. Tankersley has shown you.
vance hawkins
Hello Vance
First, I would like to thank you for something you posted on this site several months ago. It was a Chikamaka Roll or list, or a link to the site. I did find a name I recognized, Rebecca Salyers. I do no descend, but it sure sent me into a new direction of research regarding my own Salyer line. Even though it is still a mystery to me why this woman would be on a Native American roll, I found it extremely interesting!
As I said, I have only been interested in DNA for about 6 months and it is complicated! Several people I know have had a DNA Print test from Family Tree DNA and their results came back in percentage form in the categories of: Indo-European, Native American, Asian, and African.
Until I got the internet, I had never heard of Jesse Brock’s father referred to as Aaron Brock. I do call this man Aaron Brock because people identify this man as that. I have never seen proof of his name. Some say that Jesse Brock’s wife, Rebecca, in an application or interview, claims that Jesse’ father was called Adrian. I have never seen this document. I cannot speak for Dr. Tankersley, but I think that his goal is not to prove Aaron Brock and Red Bird are one and the same, but prove that the Brocks are descendants of the man referred to as Red Bird.
I have heard many good researchers claim that Wurteh and Elizabeth Watts are 2 different women. At this time, my conclusion is that they are the same woman. My husband and son are descendants of this woman.
The death of Red Bird is a huge legend where I live. The general idea is that he died 1817-1820. The Sizemores claim this man also. They claim he was having children with Rhoda Sizemore until after 1800.
I am very dedicated to genealogy and family history through this I have learned KY history geography. KY was VA until 1793. What we also must realize is that NC came within a few miles of what is now the VA/KY border. Borders were changing rapidly at that time. I do believe there were Cherokee living in the area of VA that is now SE KY. I guess I believe this because we are still here :). The Brock family seemed more “in tune” with tribal affiliation and blood percentages than most. There is documentation that the Brock family did live in SE KY.
Being a native of KY I have heard of and seen Yahoo Falls in Laurel Co. and Doubleheads Cave in McCreary Co.(Burnside). It is no secret that there have been much looting and illegal digging. On more than one occasion, there have been skeletons excavated and left by someone who thought they would find “treasure”. I think it was Mr. Troxel that spoke of Burnside. I thought his ancestors gave a first hand account of the massacre.
I of course could not read all the documentation of Dr. Tankersley. I have read his recent book “In Search of the Ice Age Americans” and learned right away that he is very good with documenting all sources. I do not have this documentation. I am very much looking forward to the release of his book. All his proof and documentation will be in his book. I hope it will be our(Native People of KY) proof of identity. I assure you that his research is from original sources, letters, diaries, treaties, etc. Believe me, when I saw all the research he has put into his project, I was very impressed and very anxious for his book to be published.
Thanks Again, Darla Jackson
After all of the Horrible things the white man has done to us ,why would any one impower the white man to tell them they are or are not native,and to think the white man could determine how much native you are{Blood Quantim }is crazy,being Aboriginal has nothing to do and I mean NOTHING to do with Blood Quantim.
Several years ago we had the status rejects {idiots} running around with there little plastic ID cards the white man give them and many of them implied or said out right because they have there little white mans ID card there more indian then the rest of us ,or real indians,which they found out was bullshit.at least from some of us.
so whats next, the new test tube indians {TUBERS}.if you don`t take a test your not native.
to me you tubers are like scabs crossing a picket line.
George
I have to admit I’m a little sceptical about the DNA testing. Sorta reminds me of the studies the Feds did in Robeson County years ago where they determined that certain individuals were half or more Indian, (based on physical appearence) but that other individuals (who were brothers/sisters to the first group) were not. Also makes me think of a letter I got in the mail not long ago promising that for $50, I could get a copy of the ancient “Hazel Family Tree”.
Heh. The only Hazel Family Tree is one that I planted in the back yard, and it was $4.99 at Lowes. Much better bargain, in my opinion.
Seriously tho, if someone has the money to spend, and it makes them feel better about who they are, I say go for it. I’d hate to see it become a point of contention tho, as it threatened to do among the Mashantuckett Pequots.
Thank you Darla for your kind words, and for receiving what I said the way you did. Good people can discuss disagreements in a friendly manner.
You said you choose to believe Wutehe was 1/2 Cherokee(anyone who knows any Cherokee knows no Cherokee sylable ends in a consenant) nad people today think her name was Wu-te-he. Darla, what “I choose to believe” is irrelevant. I have to go by documentation, and nearly everyone through the abundance of documentation”agrees” she was full blood. Dr. Tankersley is the first person I ever heard of that said otherwise. I don’t think you’ll find a Cherokee scholar here in Oklahoma who’ll agree with that. I might be wrong, tho. 🙂
My great great grandma was Hariet Guess. She married David B.Brown (we have a copy of their marriage license) nd I have a record showing they lived in 1872 and for a few lears thereafter “on the Arkansas River” just inside Indian territory not fsr from Fort Smith. This is just a few miles from where Sequoyah’s cabin was located. But I will not say “I am descended from Wu-te-he” because I can not prove it. We have a family story that says “Hariet was Sequoyah’s niece or great niece” (from how it was written probably niece) — nad I’ll tell anyone htere is this family story. BUT I make sure do NOT say “I am descended from Wu-tre-he” because I want to be an honest man and I don’t want people to think I am desceiving them. My dad made this distinction and so do I. I can’t understand howe a person could do other wise to be honest with you. I make mistakes. If someone catches one and I see it I’ll admit it, and ask forgiveness. I’ll say, “oops, sorry about that.”
Sequoyah himself is recorded as saying “His mother was full-blood Indian” and his father was half-Cherokee. People who saw Sequoyah during hislifetime — who met him, said of him, “it is said he has some white blood, but he looks full blood Indian. More than one person said this about him. Dr. Tankersley told me Sequoyah was 1/4th Cherokee. I grew up here in Oklahoma and we have full bloods, half bloods, quarterbloods, a plenty! 🙂 I know the difference most of the time just by lookin’ at someone most of the time. No way would a quarterblood could be confused with a full blood.
I’ll show you in my next post where Red Bird is found dead in 1797 ijn S. Kentucky.
I am not sayin’ Dr. Tankersley is wrong — I am ssayin he is sayin things are facts but doesn’t provide any documentation to back it up. I “might have” more documentation we are descended from Wu-te-he than he does he is descended from Red Bird, according to his web site. But I am willin to show it to anybody and one day I will have it on line. But I’ll NOT SAY IT until I have more proot. He is sayin it online but isn’t backin’ it up, and he ought not to be sayin’ it online until he puts his documentation online too that backs it up, or at least record where that documentation can be found. That’s my gripe with him. I e-mailed him and asked him about it, at first he was friendly, but the more I asked for specifics the more he hemmed and hawed and never gave it.
Maybe he is right, but if he is, he oughta document it, or say “we have a family story” — just like I do when I talk about it — he ought not to be sayin’ he knows it as a fact unless he is willin to show it. He ought not to say I have proof of this, but it is a secret.
Also I have ties to Troxel and as I said Jessee Brock was a neighbor to Nevil Wayland in the 1790s and he is a direct ancestor of mine (nevil). On Dan Troxel’s website about his genealogy he has many surnames in Kentucky who are also surnames that married my Richey’s and Waylands in Arkansas – including Rainwater’s — Doublehead lived near where my ancestors lived. We have a lotta evidence Hariets dad is Thomas Gist and a Thomas gist is on a document with John Chisolm (Doublehead’s friend and there is a lotta documentation that they were friends) and James Vann (Chief, known as a drunk, man who helped kill Doublehead, and 2 years later was himself murdered (his murder was never solved, prob’ly a relative of Doublehead everyone thinks, killed him). This document was in 1807 and just after Doublehead’s murder. I think this “Thomas Gist” was my ancestor– I have evidence but I can not prove it yet. It can be found online.
So I think I have ties through documents to Doublehead’s friends and enemies, and to Sequoyah also. This is why I too am interested in these people. I believe — until Dr. Tankersley shows otherwise — Wu-te-he was full blood why? Because Sequoyah said his mother was full blood and his Cherokee neighbors said he looked full blood but they heard he had white blood. People who knew him should know, don’t ya think? 🙂
Everything I said I can document. What I said abve was what “I think” is things I have evidence for but not proof. If it was a “family story” I said it was a family story. This is the honest way to document your ancestors, keep all this separate. It is easy not to and maybe some people don’t realize this is important, but that’s just how I was raised — don’t lie or make things up. Maybe others were not raised to define these words like I was raised to define them. In fact I might have documentatio tha would better help Dr. Tankersleyt tie his ancestors to Doublehead! He chose to not be cooperative and to be evasive and that mademe distrust him a little.
The minute Dr. Tankersley decides to “reveal” his sources is the day I’m gonna quit peckin’ at him. Darla, it has nothin to do with you as he is an authority figure and as such people respect him and should do so. But i asked him very politely and he never replied with a single source so I have decided to pect at him like a vulture. If he is just playin possum he get tired of it and get up and run off. But if he is dead and can’t run off, well . . . I’ve been cerclin’ him a while now, and his story to me is startin to smell a little, so now I’m landin’ and startin to pect a little. If he’s playin possum this peckin will irritate him enough to run off, and document his story, as any good PhD knows he oughta do.
vance
go to
http://www.galileo.peachnet.edu
go to “Georgia” and click on “culture and history”
scroll down to
“Click here for publicly available databases”
and click on it
Scroll down to number 48, “Native American Documents” and click on it.
Once the page opens up, scroll down to “Search” and ender “Red Bird” as 2 words. There oyu will find documentw in 1797 where Red Bird and another unnamed Cherokee were killed in S/ Kentucky in 1797, and the governors of Tennessee and Kentucky discuss it, and also write the Cherokee Nation and they beg the Cherokee Naiton not to seek revenge as this will cause the White people to get angry again at the Cherokee and on and on. These 2 governors cooperate and Tennessee officials catch the murderers — I believe it was in Hawkins County, Tennessee that they were cought but I might have forgotten — They catch them and send them back to Kentucky for trial. But this was in 1797.
There is another Cherokee named Red Bird who did sign treaties in the early 19th century, but I don’t think there is any evidence that he ws in Kentucky as therrre is for the story of the other one. Notice how the story fits the one Dr. Tankersley mentions (2 Cherokee, one named Red Bird, are murdered in S. Ky) — but he has the time wrong.
vance
Hello, I would first like to respond on comments made about DNA testing:
Being from the Appalachian mountains I was raised with the knowledge that I must prove myself with any means possible. Given my cultural background, geographical location, and thick accent, I am immediately assumed ignorant. I must then prove myself otherwise. When a means was put before me to scientifically prove that I have a right to heard and my research could be accurate – I had to use it. It is a shame that myself and other people like me had to resort to such extreme measures to prove their identity. I grew up with the pride and knowledge that I had a Native American heritage, but later on, when I wanted learn about my heritage, I was told very quickly that I was not who I thought I was – that my people did not exist – that my appearance could be explained by other ethnic sources.
I did not have DNA testing for bragging rights to blood quantum, personal gain, or exploitation. I did it because my ancestors have a right to be heard. If everyone knew the deep respect, love, and appreciation I have for my grandmothers and grandfathers, they would understand why I had to do it. If readers could listen to me instead of seeing what I write, they would accept me and what I did, although they do not agree with it. If readers could truly know my feelings toward Native Americans and their beautiful culture and how the last thing I would ever want to do is hurt them – they could not hate me.
The new trend of DNA testing should be used for genealogy and proving family history, or at least helping with these. I will never use it in any other way.
I felt that I was releasing the voices of many unheard people.
Okay — Vance, I think that if people didn’t have different opinions, views, and data there wouldn’t be alot of research going on and this would be a boring forum :). I consider Sequoyah to be a genius. You are very fortunate to have such a rich family history. I will tell you that an author of a book, Fleenor, agrees with you on the account of Elizabeth Watts/Wurteh being 2 people. Fleenor’s book, Benge!, I found to be a good read. I welcome all opinions and my mind has been changed more than once.
Thank you for the Red Bird reference. If this is the case, I feel this would really have an effect on Sizemore research in a big way! I haven’t covered it all but plan to right away.
I do respect Dr. Tankersley, and I do feel his book will cover our questions. I feel he is gathering everything he needs to prove the points he is trying to make, and then releasing it in published form. I think the answers are all out there somewhere waiting to be found.
Keep up the good work,
Darla
Hey Vance
there are no excuses for what I said or the way I said it, in regards to the DNA post or even the post about the Sacred Necklace,But there are very clear reasons for the Replies,weather they are there good reasons or not ,all you good people I am sure can discuss that.
the Non-Status community Has a very bad reputation, the Status people look at us as waanabees,people playing indian etc.This Reputation wasn`t just given to us it was EARNED.
when people come across as arrogant and a Know it all and when you read the post on DNA an average 10 year old could tell you this lady was blowing smoke up everybody butt {playing Indian},she didn`t know what she was talking about in regards to DNA she was trying to impress people,thats the way I look at it ,and she sure didn`t impress me.
here is something Vance that maybe you all your good people can discuss,{what is the point in Proving your native heritage if your going to behave like a crazy white man ?}
Tom comes out in his post telling the whole dam world that they can make and use a sacred Siouan Necklace,then he blows smoke up the every ones butt by talking about all of these Ceremonies he claims to of been in and then he talks about making scared bundles for elders,this isn`t the native way.this is trying to show every one that he is somebody,But anybody with any traditional Knowledge Knows he is just blowing smoke up everybodys butt {playing Indian}.Ceremony is not for bragging rights.
POSTS like the 2 I have mentioned above are perfect examples for our BAD REPUTATION.
I hope what I am going to say now will give all of you 2 examples of more bad behavior and WHAT NOT TO DO.
SAGE = what is the main thing you think of when you think of SAGE,what comes to mind { SMUDGING }.Look up the meaning of the word smudge.99.9 percent of you use this term,and you could not be more wrong,but because a couple of jackasses playing Indian miss label it and it spreads like wild fire .
what I was taught is that Sage is in the south door{Medicine Wheel Teaching }, it is the sacred medicine there ,when we look at sage it Represents Kindness and the Female Spirit {womans Medicine },Everytime we use sage what we are really doing is Conducting our own Personnel Cleasning Ceremony ,when some one is useing the sage the others standing around should be silent.
But the vast Majority of you associate something dirty with SAGE.
SPIRIT NAMES,what I am talking is you people out there who use your so called indian names ,you introduce yourself at pow wows or at work at some native gathering and you use your spirit name .
what I was taught is the only time we use our spirit name is in ceremony.
and when you come and use that name around me I know right off your just playin indian,either your not listening to what the elder said or you didn`t get that name from an elder.
some of you need to start your journey, and some of you need to find a new hobby.
IF some of you aren`t happy with my REACTIONS you might looK at your ACTIONS.
I am Frustrated and Fed up with you plastic indians my culture is not a game.
well Vance I hope you good people have a nice day .
George
{what is the point in Proving your native heritage if your going to behave like a crazy white man ?}
Red, Yellow, Black or White it is what is inside that really counts. There are very FEW that can say with any certainity that they are FULL blood anything. I have tried to be as honest as possible with myself as well as others. I have no documented proof other than a War of 1812 document that identifies my gr gr gr grandfather as “INDIAN” but does not give the tribe. I have come to terms that I probably will never be able to prove this to some of you but I know in my heart that it is true. As for the other lines I have nothing more than gut feeling. I am proud of all the races that make up ME and I teach my grandchildren to be proud of who they are no matter what the race. As for acting like a crazy “white man”…… the white men don’t have a monolopy on acting crazy.
This forum is made up of most ly folks who are of mixed heritage. Linda has given us a place to reach out to others and learn. I wasn’t brought up to be native american nor did I fit into the white man’s world. I for one would like to learn about my native heritage.
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