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George, If you are referring to my post, which I think you are, I do not see how you can make such critical comments on simply a few sentences regarding DNA. I even said in my first post that I was no expert on DNA. That doesn’t sound very arrogant to me. As far as the comment about “a 10 yr.old”, please enlighten me with your knowledge. I stated that there was a DNA print test available,I thought you can get a certain amount of affiliation by DNA(regional not tribal), and that there are more tests for males than females. Which one of these is so stupid?
I do not “play Indian”. I am Indian. I am also white and Melungeon, and I don’t “play white or Melungeon” either. I am still mystified that by a few written paragraphs, you can draw these very negative conclusions. You do not know me. We have never even corresponded directly to each other.
I really visited this message board to learn about a certain line of my family that I haven’t even been able to discuss yet. Other correspondance on this forum has been wonderful. I just can’t figure out why you have been so negative and quick to judge. I have only posted twice. I did not start the DNA topic, I just wanted to add to it some things that I had been reading about at familytreedna.com.
Darla
I have heard this statement many times about no Indians in Kentucky…Where did that come from does anyone know. I was born in Kentucky and always was told I had Native American blood and was very happy about it and still am. I haven’t been on the list for a while. My family names are Williams, Parker, Gay, could be (guy) if you looked at it wrong. In Ireland it was spelled totally different. We are related to Chief Powhatan and I will post the tree if anyone is interested. I don’t mean to just but in but have heard the above before and was wondering if anyone knew the answer. To my knowledge there were “Indians” all over this country.
I forgot some important names on my last post..Abner, Bolin, Bowling, Bollin. the last three are obviously the same name. I am sure there are more I have forgotten but if anyone has any ifnormation or questions on these feel free. Thank you
Crowwoman I would love to see a copy of your family tree. I have Williams in my line going back to Jerimiah Williams. Also know of the connection between the Bowling/Bowlin and the Collins. Who knows we just might be related.
Brenda
Generation No. 1
1. CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1 POWHATAN
Child of CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK POWHATAN is:
2. i. POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA) Christian name (REBECCA) 2 POWHATAN, b. 1595, Tidewater, Jamestown, Virginia.
Generation No. 2
2. POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN (CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was born 1595 in Tidewater, Jamestown,
Virginia and died in Norfolk, England the week of March 21,1617. Internment was noted as March 21, 1617. She married JOHN ROLFE. He was born May 06, 1585 in Norfolk, England, and died 1622 in Virginia.
Child of POCAHONTAS POWHATAN and JOHN ROLFE is:
3. i. THOMAS POWHATAN3 ROLFE, b. 1615, Richmond, Virginia; d. 1675, Virginia.
Generation No. 3
3. THOMAS POWHATTAN3 ROLFE (POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN, CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was born
1615 in Richmond, Virginia, and died 1675 in Virginia. He married JANE POYTHRESS.
Child of THOMAS ROLFE and JANE POYTHRESS is:
4. i. JANE4 ROLFE, b. October 10, 1650, Petersburg Indian City, America.
Generation No. 4
4. JANE4 ROLFE (THOMAS POWHATAN3, POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN, CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was
born October 10, 1650 in Petersburg Indian City, America. She married COL. ROBERT BOLLING. He was born
December 26, 1646 in Tower City, London, England, and died July 17, 1678 in Kippax, Charles City, Virginia.
Child of JANE ROLFE and COL. ROBERT BOLLING is:
5. i. JOHN5 BOLLING, b. 1676, Virginia;
Generation No. 5
5.COL. JOHN5 BOLLING (JANE4 ROLFE, THOMAS POWHATAN3, POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN, CHIEF
WAHUNSONACOCK1) was born 1676 in Virginia, and died 1792. He married MARY KENNON. She was born June 29, 1676 in Conjurer’s Neck, Henrico County, Virginia and died June 27, 1727, daughter of RICHARD KENNON and ELIZABETH WORSHAM
Children of JOHN BOLLING and MARY KENNON are:
6.
i. JOHN BOLLING6 JR., b. 1700.
ii. JANE BOLLING., b. 1703.
iii. ELIZABETH BOLLING, b. 1709, Petersburg County, Virginia.
iv. MARY BOLLING., b. 1711.
v. MARTHA BOLLING, b. 1711. twins
vi. ANNE BOLLING., b. 1712.
vii. EVALINA BOLLING..
viii. SUSAN BOLLING.
Generation No. 6
6. ELIZABETH6 BOLLING (JOHN5, JANE4 ROLFE, THOMAS POWHATTAN3, POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA) 2 POWHATAN, she died 1766
CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was born 1709 Petersburg County, Virginia. She married WILLIAM GAY in 1730 in Of, Cobbs, Henrico, Virginia He was born 1705
son of THOMAS GAY. DR. WILLIAM GAY died in 1749. He was educated in Edenborough, Scotland School of Medicine.
Children of ELIZABETH BOLLING and WILLIAM GAY are:
i. WILLIAM GAY JR.. about 1731
ii. HENRY “RED”7 GAY, b. about 1738, Augusta County, Virginia; d. 1830, Gay’s Creek Perry County, Kentucky.
iii. MARY GAY born 1735 in Buckingham, Virginia
iv. ELIZABETH GAY born September 1740 she died November 27, 1813
Generation No. 7
7. HENRY “RED”7 GAY (ELIZABETH6 BOLLING, JOHN5, JANE4 ROLFE, THOMAS POWHATTAN3, POCAHONTAS
(MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN, CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was born 1738 in Greenbriar County, Virginia, and died 1830
in Gay’s Creek Perry County, Kentucky. He married MARGARET RUSSELL August 15,1795
Kentucky, daughter of UNKNOWN RUSSELL and VIOLET GRANT.
and died 1855 in Gay’s Creek, Perry County, Kentucky.
More About HENRY “RED” GAY: Was in the Battle at Yorktown
Burial: 1830, Gay’s Creek, Perry County, Kentucky
First marriage: Jane Henderson
Second Marriage: Polly Huff
More About MARGARET RUSSELL:
Burial: 1855, Gay’s Creek, Perry County, Kentucky
Children of HENRY GAY and MARGARET RUSSELL are:
i. JAMES8 GAY, b. Shoal, Perry County, Kentucky.
More About JAMES GAY:
First marriage: Sallie Patton
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ii. HENRY GAY JR., b. 1796.
iii. JOSEPH GAY, b. 1798.
iv. JANE GAY, b. 1800.
v. LEWIS RUSSELL GAY, b. 1807.
vi. MARGARET PEGGY GAY, b. 1810.
vii. NELSON GAY, b. 1811.
viii. VIOLET CHAROLETTE GAY, b. 1814.
ix. ELIJAH GAY, b. 1815, Shoal, Perry County, Kentucky.
x. JOANNA GAY, b. 1818.
xi. RACHAEL GAY, b. 1819.
xii. JOHN GAY, b. 1821.
xiii. MARY ANN POLLY GAY, b. January 10, 1823.
Generation No. 8
8. ELIJAH8 GAY (HENRY “RED”7, ELIZABETH6 BOLLING, JOHN5, JANE4 ROLFE, THOMAS POWHATAN3, POCAHONTAS
(MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN, CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was born 1815 in Shoal, Perry County, Kentucky. He married
MARY POLLY BAKER August 10, 1836 in Buffalo, Clay County, Kentucky. She was born 1812 in North Carolina,
and died 1860 in Buckhorn, Perry County, Kentucky.
Notes for ELIJAH GAY:
Children by Catherine Johnson:
1. McCoy L “Mack” Gay born March 17, 1864 Owsley County, Kentucky died February 19, 1912, Buffalo.
Owsley County, Kentucky
2.Orville E. Bradley Gay born 1866
3.Margaret Gay born 1869
4.George W. Gay born 1873, Owsley County, buried Lucy Angel Cemetery, Perry County Married Alabama
McIntosh
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More About ELIJAH GAY:
Second Marriage: 1862, Catherine Johnson
More About MARY POLLY BAKER: daughter of JOHN “DURKHAM” BAKER and UNKNOWN
Burial: 1860, Lucy Angel Cemetery
Children of ELIJAH GAY and MARY POLLY BAKER are:
i. JAMES B.9 GAY, b. 1838; d. October 15, 1888, Owsley County, Kentucky.
ii. CHARLOTTE (LOTTE) GAY, b. 1839.
iii. HENRY C. GAY, b. 1845.
iv. SARAH SALLY GAY, b. 1845.
v. HANNAH GAY, b. 1848.
More About HANNAH GAY:
married May 22, 1872, ROBERT TUCKER DAVIDSON
Housekeeper: 1870 for Russell and Elizabeth Russell Gay
vi. FANNY GAY, b. May 03, 1854.
vii. MARGARET “PEGGY” GAY, b. November 1855.
viii. RUSSELL LEWIS GAY, b. 1842, Gays Creek, Perry County, Kentucky; d. 1900. 9.
Generation No. 9
9. RUSSELL LEWIS9 GAY (ELIJAH8, HENRY “RED”7, ELIZABETH6 BOLLING, JOHN5, JANE4 ROLFE, THOMAS
POWHATAN3, POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN, CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was born 1842 in Gays Creek,
Perry County, Kentucky, and died 1900. He married (1) ELIZA WILLIAMS, daughter of JAMES WILLIAMS and
LUCINDA ABNER. She was born 1846. She was born October 22, 1846 in Owsley County, Kentucky, and died August 16, 1931 in
Pond Creek ,Jackson County, Kentucky.
More About RUSSELL LEWIS GAY:
Burial: Abner Bishop cemetery, Ricetown , Owsley County, Kentucky
Military: Civil War Veteran More About ELIZA WILLIAMS:
Burial: August 19, 1931, Gay Cemetery, Tyner, Jackson County, Kentucky
Children of RUSSELL GAY and Elizabeth (ELIZA) WILLIAMS are
i. NANNIE10 GAY, born Kentucky. 10. m William Parker
ii. HENRY10 GAY, born 1865.m Nancy Bishop (2 other wives)
iii. MATILDA GAY, born 1864. married Daniel Parker they had no children. (Brother to WILLIAM PARKER)
iv. THOMAS J. GAY, born 1863. married LYDIA TAYLOR
v. MORRIS (MAURICE) GAY, born 1871. married MATILDA MORGAN
vi. LUCINDA GAY, born 1875. married LEVI GAY
vii. AMERICA GAY, born 1878. married JOHN COMBS
viii. LULA GAY.
More About LULA GAY:
First marriage: Henry Ledford
Second Marriage: Charles Brown Deaton
ix. JOHN D. GAY. Married ELIZABETH MURRAY
Generation No. 10
10. NANNIE10 GAY (RUSSELL LEWIS9, ELIJAH8, HENRY “RED”7, ELIZABETH6 BOLLING, JOHN5, JANE4 ROLFE,
THOMAS POWHATTAN3, POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN, CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was born in Kentucky.
She married) WILLIAM PARKER, son of WILLIAM PARKER and SUSAN ABNER. He was born October 1872 in Upper Buffalo Creek, Owsley County, Kentucky, and died March 25, 1942 in Conkling, Owsley County,
Kentucky.
More About WILLIAM PARKER:
Burial: March 28, 1942, Both NANNIE GAY AND WILLIAM PARKER both buried in the Parker Cemetery, South Fork of the Kentucky River, near Conkling, Owsley County, Kentucky
Children of NANNIE GAY and WILLIAM PARKER are:
i. DAISY11 PARKER.
ii. DESSIE11 PARKER.
iii. OLLIE (ORLENA) PARKER.
iv . EDNA MAE PARKER.
v. DELLA PARKER.
vi. KATE PARKER.
vii. FANNIE PARKER.
viii.SUSIE PARKER.
ix. MINNIE LOU PARKER.
x. RUTH ELLEN PARKER, b. January 31, 1913.
xi. NORA PARKER.
Generation No. 11
11. RUTH ELLEN PARKER (NANNIE10 GAY, RUSSELL LEWIS9, ELIJAH8, HENRY “RED”7, ELIZABETH6 BOLLING,
JOHN5, JANE4 ROLFE, THOMAS POWHATTAN3, POCAHONTAS (MATOAKA)2 POWHATAN, CHIEF WAHUNSONACOCK1) was
born January 31, 1913 in Wolf Creek, Owsley County, Kentucky, and died September 06, 1987 in Lone Pine, California. She married GRAYDON MOORE FROST December 21, 1935 in Conkling, Kentucky, son of JOHN FROST and NANCY ANN EVERSOLE. He was born December 16, 1911 in Cow Creek, Kentucky, and died in Lancaster, California. More about RUTH ELLEN PARKER:
Burial: Parker Cemetery, Owsley County, Kentucky (Conkling)
More About GRAYDON MOORE FROST:
Burial: Callahan Cemetery, Cow Creek, Owsley County, Kentucky
Children of RUTH ELLEN PARKER and GRAYDON FROST are:
Then me and my family. My Williams line before Eliza Williams m to Russell Lewis Gay is on another tree. Will post it seperately. Nancy
The BAKER, HUFF, GAY in your line might be of particular interest to several people on this forum. Of course, families passing thru Clay & Perry Co., Ky seem to be related to most of the people on this forum 🙂
I have some “twice removed” MOORE and FROST in a much earlier time in Ky & Tenn. One of my grt-grandmothers was a MORGAN from Henry Co., Ky, who married a descendant of the Orange Co Va COLLINS people.
The “There were no Indians in Kentucky” statement was reported by someone who called some state office there to inquire about Nations living in Ky. I’d suggest that “official” statement of ignorance be met with raucous, gleeful, belly-hurting laughter but then, I’m not much for political correctness.
A quick reply to Bill. I am curious as to your Moore and Frost connections. My GGGGrandfather was Robert Frost married to Sarah Roberts in Hawkins County, Tenn. I have lots of information on the Frost family. if you are interested and on the Moores. as my Father’s mother was the daughter of George Eversole and Rebecca Jane Moore. descendants of Jacob Eversole and Anna Maria Kessler and of James Moore and Ellender Hamilton daughter of Margaret Walkup Gay who married William Hamilton after William Gay (Ulster Ireland) died in the U.S. I heartily agree with your point of view to the answer of “no Indians”…
Sorry for the delay. Moore’s and Eversole’s lived in the area of S.E. Indiana where I grew up. The family said they were related but I’ve not found any Eversoles in any of the lines so maybe the relationship was thru one of the female lines who m’d Eversoles.
Some Moores are back in north-central Ky but can’t seem to locate that in my files – but I know I’ve never ran that line back at all so have no specifics.
FROST :
Rowland (Paul 4, Henry 3, Henry 2, Walter 1) Chiles, b.1755 Prince Edward (line of Henry of Hanover Co) Co., Va; d.1825 Anderson Co., Tenn;
m. 1) Nancy Sandlin abt. 1783.
m. 2) Ann Amelia (“Milley”) FROST abt. 1790 Washington Co., Va
son Thomas Frost Childs, b. 10 Dec 1791 Botetourt Co., Va, moved to Anderson Co., Tenn; m. Pheby BLANKINSHIP in 1811 Madison Co., Ala.; moved to Ky; moved to Morgan Co., Ind and then to Warren Co., Mo., where he died 27 Dec 1865.
Sons of Thomas & Pheby:
Roland Allison Childs, stayed in Morgan Co., Indiana.
William Childs, moved to Mo. with parents.
John Childs, moved to Ky.
James Childs, moved to Ky, then back to Ind.
The Roland Allison Childs of 1830, 1840 & 1850s Delaware Co., Ind., was the son Thomas’s brother Rowland, and was also m’d to a FROST (from Botetourt/Washington Co., Va) but her name fails me at the moment.
What interesting discussion!
Some researchers say that the Rebecca Howard who married Jesse Brock was the niece of Samuel and Chloe Osborn Howard who were among the first settlers in Harlan County, Kentucky. Rebecca’s father and Samuel were brothers.
When reading I keep seeing the phrase “Chief Red Bird’s people”. Apparently when Aaron Brock settled in Clay County, Kentucky there were several people with him. does anyone know who “his people” might have been…other then immediate family members?
Has anyone been able to prove that Red Bird was at Yahoo springs with Cornblossom shortly after the massacre?
Thanks,
Sandy
Sandy,
There are several versions of several events and several researchers still don’t think we’ve arrived at the “event horizon”.
I thought “I knew” and then I learned more which convinced me I didn’t really know anything about what happened there. Confused? Join the crowd 🙂
We are on a journey and we ‘ain’t’ there yet.
Bill
I will go with the theory that we are on a journey and haven’t arrived! This is a very big puzzle with Chief Red Bird. I will do some digging and get back.
I agree that we “ain’t” there with Red Bird. There are just too many blanks!!!!! The more I dig the more confused I get!!!
I personally believe that many people came north with him……….will someone please tell me that I am right?
Sandy
I say that many people would agree with you.
I also say that most of that history is lost.
Our ancestors made choices that we can only guess at or prove by way of document remnants or never prove due to now-non-existent or never-made documents.
Not only did wars and accidental courthouse fires and intentional 🙂 arson destroy records, but no records were made of many people we hold dear (they probably would approve).
We are who we are and we are still here.
We will be here tomorrow.
Bill:
I have read that Chief Red Bird and Sequoia were related. That Sequoia visited the site where Chief Red Bird was buried and that he (Sequoia) carved a message on a rock near his grave. Later when a road was constructed through Clay County the engraving was destroyed. Do you know if the stroy is true or is it just that……….a good story?
Sandy
I have heard that and I do know that Clay County Road department rescued a big rock during some road construction that had writings on them. From what I was told the writing is in Manchester in a Park. I may be able to get the exact details on this in a day or two. I have to ask a fellow that lives there. Nancy
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