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Nancy, On Redbird River there was a large outcrop of rock that had some scratches on it that some people thought had been made by a European who had come to America before Columbus. Books were written about it. It is the thinking of some that the writing was of the Cherokee language that was invented by Sequoyah using various alphabets and assigning Cherokee sounds to each. There were newspapers sent to the Indians who were removed during the Trail of Tears.
Regardless of all the arguement which I never became involved in; the rock, weighig about 30 tons slid into and blocked the highway that had been built below it.
The highway was asked and they complied and moved the stone to Stinson Park where it is sheltered and protected from vandalism. Be sure to visit the next time you come home.
JESS WILSON
This is the answer I received in regards to the rock mentioned. Jess is a historian in and around Clay County, Kentucky. Hope this helps and I will keep my eyes open to any other information that may come along. Stinson Park is in Manchester, Clay County, Kentucky. Nancy
Thank you Nancy. Now I am so mad!!!! I have been there, have seen the rock and never gave it any attention!!!!!!
Sandy
I had pictures and lost them in an unexpected brand new hard drive crash this spring. I will work on getting them again. Nancy
Bill Childs wrote: Brenda,
Could be heresay info but I found a Jane Jennie Ray who m’d Bradley Collins 22 Feb 1817 in Orange Co., NC. My distant cousin (Michael K. Hendrix) has her as the daughter of George Ray (no dob or dod and his line not traced) and Martha Robinson, m’d 29 May 1792 in Orange Co., NC.
Martha b. 22 Nov 1773 Orange Co., NC (d.bef. May 1838 Orange Co., NC), dau of Michael Robinson, Sr., b. 21 Jan 1731/32 Ulster, Ireland, and Mary Ray, b. 5 Aug 1732 Ireland.
Jennie Ray’s siblings (no dates): Michael, Mary (Polly), Sarah (Sallie), Delilah, Martha Ann, James Collins Ray. (Is “Collins” too much of a coincidence?)
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COLLINS
Back up in the mountains next to the Virginia border in
1800 Ashe Co., NC Census:
p. 74 – Thomas Collins: 00000 – 00000 – 7 – 0. (other Free)
p. 75 – Vadery (Vardy?) Collins: 00000 – 00000 – 4 – 0. (other Free)
p. 75 – Valentine Collins: 00000 – 00000 – 6 – 0. (other Free)
p. 76 – Ambrose Collins: 00000 – 00000 – 4 – 0. (other Free)
p. 78 – Arch. Gibson: 00000 – 00000 – 7 – 0. (other Free)
p. 78 – Ezekiel Gibson: 00000 – 00000 – 3 – 0. (other Free)
p. 78 – Joel Gibson: 00000 – 00000 – 2 – 0. (other Free)
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A Valentine Collins shows up in 1820 Floyd Co., KY – see below.
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Because none of these Collins nor Meridith are anywhere in 1790 NC, they may have gone to Virginia. The 1790 Virginia census was burned during the War of 1812.
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There was a Bradley Collins on the muster rolls of the First Company, Orange County Regiment in 1812 to (and?) 1814.
“War of 1812 Service Records” on ancestry.com lists
“Bradley Collins, Private, 5 Reg’t (Atkinson’s) N.C. Militia.”
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1810 Floyd Co., Ky : Meredith Collins = 42001-01110-0-0.
as white.
1820 Floyd Co., Ky : Meridith Collins = as FPC 2211-0001.
(2 males to 14; 2 males to 26; 1 male to 45; 1 male 45 & over; and 1 female 45 & over.)
Next door to Meridith is Bradley Collins with a strange listing.
Looking at the record, one can see that he was originally listed as white :
100012-00000. (1 male to 15; 1 male 26 to 44; 1 male 45 & over.) Then, the 1’s and the 2 were then over-written to make them “0” ‘s with FPCs listed as 1010-3010. On this page, listed as white, are several surnames of Indian descent: 1 Gibson, 1 Adkins, 2 Roberts & 5 Mullins, altho I don’t know if these particular people were of Indian descent or not.
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Other COLLINS of 1820 Floyd Co., KY and their neighbors having surnames of Indian descent (that I know of) listed as whites :
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p. 3 – Valentine Collins: FPCs 9301 – 8311.
On same page:
Zachariah Gibson: 1 white female 45 & over with FPCs 0301-0000.John Mosley: FPCs 1100-1100.
James Hogg: whites with 1 FPC male (to age 26) changed to “0”.
William Allen: FPCs 0010-3010.
Martin Gibson: FPCs 7201-1010.
with 2 “white” Caudill on same page.…….
p. 14 – James Collins: 200010-30010-0-0 (all white)
with 3 Johnson, 5 Gibson, 2 Mullins, 1 Rogers, 1 Caudill.
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p. 18 – William Collins: 210110-31010-0-0 (all white)
with 1 Mayo, 2 Spurlock.
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p. 23 – Edward Collins: 000100-01001-0-0 (all white)
with 4 Preston, 1 Lewis, 1 Crabtree.
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p.33 – Reuben Collins: 200100-30010-0-0 (all white)
with 1 Waller and Thomas Steward & Job Dean.
John Dean: 000111- 0 white females – FPCs 0000-2100.
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p. 42 – George (1) Collins: 000011-00101-0-0 (white)
p. 42 – George (2) Collins: 000100-10100-0-0 (white)
with 3 Rutherford, 1 with mixed household:
__illeg.__ Rutherford: 200100-10100-0- FPCs 0001-0201.
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You may already have ran across this, but……..
A Costello – Hinchey Family Tree listing on ancestry.com lists Mary “Polly” Margaret HOLLOWAY as “b. 1765 in Harlan, Kentucky”, and died “1812-1814”, “marriage 1: Meredith Meridia Collins, b.1760 in Virginia” and “married: 1795 in Va/NC”. Children listed:
“John Wesley, b.1797-1798 near Va border, Tn.
Archibald, b.1800 Russell Co., Va.
Edward, b.1801 Russell Co., Va.
James, b.1801-1804 Russell Co., Va.
Female Collins, b. 1805-1806.
William, b. 1806-1807 Russell Co., Va.
Bradley” (no dates)
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Begining researchers reading this should always take all posted family trees with a dash of salt and verify everything before using it.
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A second listing “Unknown”, last updated Aug 25, 2001, with email listed: puck5@kih.net,
lists Meredith Collins, b. 1760 Va., d. 1841 Pike Co., Ky. M’d Polly Holloway, b. Va., married 1784; with children: John Wesley, b. Russell Co., Va; Archibald; James; Bradley; William, b.13 Apr 1806 Russell Co., Va.
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While studying the 1820 Orange Co., NC Collins’s, on p.304 there is John Collins = 100010 – 00100 – 0 – 0. and next door is:
Thos. Holloway = 110010 – 00010 – 0 – 0.
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p.s…… Samuel Patterson – found several in 1790 Adams Co. (county seat Gettysburg), Pa., with “Other Free Persons” in his household. There are so many Samuel Pattersons it’s been impossible to follow them or distinguish between them.
Bill
Bill,
I have a question for you, I searched Zachariah Gibson and found this post. I am curious as to whether Zachariah could be Martin’s father, as they lived near one another. I also found some info in Richard Allen Carlson’s dissertation on this “small settlement,” which was led by Valentine “Tiney” Collins. (Hard cover, pg. 239) From the dissertation [Quote:] It shows that the most sizeable group was the band headed by Valentine “Tiney” Collins. Their small settlement consisted of no less than forty-one people headed by three familiar characters from the old New River Indian community. Those were Zach and Martin Gibson, and Valentine Collins who himself headed a household of twenty-five people that probably spanned 3 or more generations. All were recorded as “free colored.”
I also noticed you listed an Adkins in the Meredith Collins group and was wondering if this is one of mine? As alway, I appreciate you help and talent for clarifying this geneological “stuff” for me.:)
Shirley
I don’t know, but this Zachariah and Martin Gibson were both listed on the 1830 Perry Co. (from Floyd in 1821) , Ky census (as Gipson) as 100 yrs old and upwards. I’d say this is a generation before your Martin IF this age range is correct. I could not identify either one in 1840, so I’m assuming the 1830 age range was correct.
I still think your Martin is the son of Archibald and Vashti (Cole) Gibson 🙂
The Adkins may be related but isn’t your direct line.
Thanks Bill, Arch and Vashti have been my gut feeling also… Thanks for clarifying, I have a difficult time interpreting the early census documents.:)
Shirley
Hi! I was really curious if you had any ties to Richeys of Rockbridge County, Va….My ancestor Jane Richey Married Anthony Tuck according to a family history. I can’t find a marriage in Rockbridge Co. around the late 1820’s early 1830’s when their daughter Caroline Tuck (Nooks), my ancestor, was born. Though I know they were their and possibly Anthony Tuck’s father(who is showed as early as 1810) I wasn’t aware of a large Richey clan I should look into. The family eventually buys land on the Ohio river north of Gallipolis, Ohio by a couple of miles in the 1840s. Any leads?
I know some people that are doing Ritchy/Richey research and will be happy to hook you up with them. crowwoman@mvdsl.com
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