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Thanks Cr21.
Dennis I was just jokin’, tryin’ to lighten things up a little.
As for the “Japanese” connection, you gotta realize how much English has changed since the time of the King James Bible came out in 1611. Then go back 1000 years to the Anglo-Saxon invasion of that little Island, and the people spoke a language we wouldn’t understand today.
Then consider that many Indian people say they never came from Asia, but were already here. But if the European version of history is true, and our ancestors DID cross that land bridge from Siberia to Alaska, well then, they did so at least 9 to 12 thousand years ago. Considering how much the English language has changed in a thousand years, extrapolate that same rate of change to at least 10,000 years ago, and I frankly don’t see how a plant that doesn’t even grow in Asia (the “Tuckahoe tubor”) would be named after the capital city of Japan — Tokyo, considering that the current Japanese people are known to have invaded Japan from the south — the direction of Okinawa, not from the North, not from the Kamchatka penisula in Siberia.
vance
I think a key reason I cringe a bit at theorizing there’s a connection between the word Tuckaho and Tokyo is that there are a lot of Native people who are seriously offended at the Bering Straights theory. As Vance just said, many traditional Indian people believe that they have always been here, and didn’t come from anywhere else. I respect people’s belief that Jesus rose from the dead, so why shouldn’t I respect people’s belief that man was created in the Americas?
It’s one thing if an archeologist were to find a 15,000 year old Japanese canoe on the west coast of the Americas, that kind of begs consideration, but to potentially be antagonizing or offending people over what seems such a flimsy argument doesn’t seem to be worth it.
Linda:
I think your membership guidelines are excellent. They ought to encompass anyone who has participated in this forum at some time, Blackfoot ID or not. (Well…maybe not the guys who posted the porno stuff.) Then we can benefit from everyone’s research too. I have Shawnee and, I suspect, Delaware, gg..grandparents too, and the information I have learned on this forum has helped me find out about them too.
Cindy
Linda…
Fab idea, whether one wants to be a member or not. If you decided to start the Association, I would be honoured to be a member and help in anyway I can.
WaDo
Bess,
I’m afraid I don’t have enough info about these ancestors to really answer your questions. 🙁 Still working on it…..
My Elizabeth James was born somewhere in NC. She was married to Patrick Campbell who was born either in Ireland or PA–don’t know which. Her Father-in-Law supposedly died in Augusta County, VA.
My Hubbards come from Clay County KY, before that they were in Ashe County, NC. My Hubbard line has since moved on to southeastern IN, but I’m not in touch with that branch of the family.
I have one Hensley ancestress (Sarah). I’m not sure where she was born, but her spouse (Robert Ball) was born in Boone’s Path, Lee County VA and her son was born somewhere in North Carolina.
This is all from others research, so I’m not “married” to these facts……
I don’t have much oral history to go on. My Mom’s side of the family was/is uneasy with being anything but “white”. My maternal grandpa once grudgingly admitted that there was probably Indian in his background, but he wasn’t happy about it. (I’d love to show you all a picture of him!)
My Dad used to say we were Blackfeet when we were kids. The last time we talked to him about it he said it was Cherokee. Personally, I think that Blackfeet is probably closer to the truth because he told us that when he was a very young man and it was probably “closer to the source.”
I’m not close with my Dad so there’s not much to work with…..
Originally posted by Bess
Patty,
I see that you have some surnames that I am also interested in: James, Baker and Hubbard. These are not my direct lines but they have come up in related research.
I have a Jesse James who married a Jetha Viney in Kanawha county, West Va, May 4, 1893. On their marriage registration both of them are listed as “colored” and were born in Halifax County, Va. I don’t have any info on the Jesse James but some Viney lines in Va. and WVA. have been identified in local records as being of “Indian extraction”. What county is your James family from in NC? Were they ever in VA? What county were your Hubbards from in Indiana?
I have a Sarah Viney who married a Peyton Baker in Giles County, Va., Dec. 23, 1879.
There are also Hensleys listed among the Western Cherokee Nation; have you had any oral history in that direction
Bess.
I haven’t read this whole thread yet…..I’ve been really swampted lately….BUT, I’d love to be involved in an Eastern Blackfoot Descendant’s Association.
Originally posted by Linda
I’m thinking of starting a group by that name. There are enough of us, we could do with more of a sense of community, and there are enough of us to undertake some wortwhile projects. What do you all think?
Hi Linda, I finally decided I would register on the forum. I think it is a great idea to start a group called EBDA. Let me know how it goes.
Welcome, Erica. I hope I can get this rolling pretty soon. Swamped with work lately, when I haven’t been feeling trashed out, so wish me luck.
Linda, if there is something I can do, let me know.
I can be a heck of a proofreader, and I’m also an illustrator. I *could* be talked into doing illos/logos/ etc, ..the best bribe for me is usually cyber chocolate! 🙂
Blessings,
Erica
aka Raven
I’d be glad to help too. I’m a secretary, so typing & proofreading are about the same as breathing.
I also put together newsletters in Word with columns & lots of graphics if that kind of thing would be of any help.
What I need help with is quantifying data. I’ve heard from lots of families privately with this ID and we need to set out a database of the names that have come up. It’s like, I’m in the position to know that 6 of the 9 surnames I know about in my grandmother’s line occur in other families with the Blackfoot ID. I also roughly know about patterns in locations. All of us should be able to have this data.
Right now, if I could mail a CD of my Sissipaha inbox to some helpers who could help sort out these messages that would be very meaningful help. (Geez, I wonder what other junk is in there, this could be embarrasing !!! haha. maybe I haven’t thought this through carefully, hahahhaa)
On another note, this thread digressed into an argument. One of the people involved has gone through and deleted his/her posts, so now this digression has become very disjointed and confusing to any new readers. I’d like to know if it would be okay if I just deleted all the posts pertaining to that argument. What do you all think? I was thinking to just move them, but that looks like it will be very cumbersome to do.
Hi, Linda.. I’d be happy to help. And I don’t mind if you delete the posts, but actually, they didn’t bother me all that much. There’s always gotta be a dissenter! 🙂
If you like I can send you my snail mail addy in a private email.
Blessings,
Erica
These posts were deleted voluntarily by the individual poster. I’ll scarcely ever ban anyone. (We banned some porno hackers, for example.) Flat out name calling, hollering posts will disappear.
I’m going to disable the ability of anyone but the administrator to delete posts. If anyone wants to make their words disappear, they of course, can edit them all away, but there will then be a blank post with their name on it, so that readers can see that something was deleted, and that’s why the flow of conversation has just broken down.
Thanks for the offer to help. I’ll be waiting to hear from you.
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